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Eco-Hydro Fish Hydrolysate

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SpicySativa

Member
What's up everyone?

I'm curious if anyone out there uses Eco-Hydro Fish hydrolysate? I've been adding it to some of my AACT brews at about 1 TBSP/gal to increase fungi levels, but now I'm thinking of using it more as a nutrient to supplement my lightly ammended soil during bloom. The directions call for mixing at 4 TBSP/gal, but that just seems excessive...

Anyone out there feed with this stuff? My original (tried and true) plan was just to use guano teas and top dresses, but I Like the idea of giving them some variety (and I've already got the bottle anyway)....

Thoughts?
 
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SpicySativa

Member
After some searching, it looks like folks have no burning problems even at full strength of 2 oz per gallon (phosphoric acid and all). It's some seriously acidic stuff, but my soil should be OK with it.
 
DuckDuckGoose

DuckDuckGoose

Member
i use Organic Gem fish hydrolysate. it smells awful, probably the most potent smelling ingredient that i use. i watered some young plants in veg with it at 1 tbsp to a gallon and didn't have any issues. that was 2 days ago and they're lookin great, it's all i've used other than teas. i also add it to the ACT at the same ratio. you should be fine even at a higher dose in flower if you think your girls need it, seeing as my plants are just babies and they like it just fine. that is if your product is comparable to Organic Gem, which i have been told is a reputable fish hydrolysate.
 
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SpicySativa

Member
Does your Organic Gem list phosphoric acid as an ingredient? That's my only worry with this Eco-Hydro stuff. I don't get caught up in checking and adjusting pH, but this stuff is VERY acidic.
 
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SpicySativa

Member
Looks like more or less the same stuff. Thanks, DDG.

I've go some guano/kelp tea brewing for them right now, but I'll see how they like the fish next time they look like their getting hungry.
 
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OrganicOzarks

SpicySativa said:
OO- What do you like so much about the powder compared to the liquid? I can't vouch for how accurate this is, but I've read (link below) that much of the fish oil is removed when they dry fish hydrolysate into a powder. These oils are apparently a great food source for your micro life.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=200355
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It does not have the smell. It is cheap as hell. It will last damn near forever. I like the results under the scope. I get similar results, but wayyyyyyyyy cheaper.

I can't say anything about the oils. All I know is I get similar results with the powder. With other food sources I can't see that the lack of fish oil would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

I believe seamaiden also uses it. She may chime in here if we are lucky.:)
 
DuckDuckGoose

DuckDuckGoose

Member
OrganicOzarks said:
It does not have the smell. It is cheap as hell. It will last damn near forever. I like the results under the scope. I get similar results, but wayyyyyyyyy cheaper.

I can't say anything about the oils. All I know is I get similar results with the powder. With other food sources I can't see that the lack of fish oil would be the straw that broke the camel's back.

I believe seamaiden also uses it. She may chime in here if we are lucky.:)
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this is a quote from the Organic Gem website...

Organic Gem's N-P-K is 3-3-.3. Do not be deceived by this. In studies at the University of Massachusetts, our product outperformed standard 10-10-.10 products. UMass has demonstrated that 80% of the nitrogen in standard fertilizers either gasses or leeches off - our material does neither due to the oils and collagens in the product which help lock it into the soil. That fact alone gives Organic Gem an equivalent nitrogen level of 15.



seems like the oils and collagens are definitely of benefit. i think it also is beneficial to the environment as well. also from the website...

Necessary oils and collagens are not removed during processing.
Excellent non-leeching capabilities as fertilizer stays locked up in the soil and hangs onto the root system.
Time-release effect that aids in composting ability.
Peace of mind that local water supplies are not being compromised.


my Organic Gem cost me $4.85 a liter. i thought it was a reasonable price.

DDG
 
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SeaMaiden

I use the same powdered fish as OO, and I love it, except for a couple of issues.

I've used it outside in its dry form--this requires protection from animals like raccoons.
When making teas it really attracts a qualified metric shit-ton of hornets of all species (a qualified metric shit-ton is 3,300lbs, or what will fit into a Bagster).
The scent is much more 'old aquarium' than fish emulsion to me, and for that I greatly prefer it. I don't know why raccoons think it's fish, though.
The powder doesn't go into solution, either, and so if using as part of a feeding regimen it's important to keep the mix agitated, or it settles to the bottom.
 
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OrganicOzarks

DuckDuckGoose said:
this is a quote from the Organic Gem website...

Organic Gem's N-P-K is 3-3-.3. Do not be deceived by this. In studies at the University of Massachusetts, our product outperformed standard 10-10-.10 products. UMass has demonstrated that 80% of the nitrogen in standard fertilizers either gasses or leeches off - our material does neither due to the oils and collagens in the product which help lock it into the soil. That fact alone gives Organic Gem an equivalent nitrogen level of 15.


seems like the oils and collagens are definitely of benefit. i think it also is beneficial to the environment as well. also from the website...

Necessary oils and collagens are not removed during processing.
Excellent non-leeching capabilities as fertilizer stays locked up in the soil and hangs onto the root system.
Time-release effect that aids in composting ability.
Peace of mind that local water supplies are not being compromised.


my Organic Gem cost me $4.85 a liter. i thought it was a reasonable price.

DDG
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I don't sit here and quote studies. I can however say that from under the scope I can get the same results. Quoting studies is not the same as first hand experience.

These boards are full of experts with first hand experience. No studies needed.:)

I wanted to say that studies are good for a start. However to get concrete answers for each person's particular situation first hand experience is the way to go. Studies have there place, but without people in the trenches there would be nothing new to study.:)
 
DuckDuckGoose

DuckDuckGoose

Member
yes the trenches are where the studies begin...i hope to acquire "trench foot", just kidding, old world war one, joke hahaha!

i just noticed in your post you wrote "i can't say anything about the oils" and i thought the info from the Organic Gem site might help others to learn the possible benefits of using a product with the fish oils.

sorry if my post was misinterpreted. i wasn't trying to imply that the product you use doesn't work. and for people with critter issues, i bet they would get into the stuff i have. it smells very fishy, not the kind of thing you can spill on yourself and just go about the day.

for what it's worth, the Organic Gem website provides a video courtesy of Tim Wilson (everybody knows that guy!!!!) of the microbes and such. it's nice to know that the product has been tested and that their claims seem to be legitimate rather than just sales.
it's the only liquid fish product that i've used so i really have nothing to compare it to. but so far so good from what i can see.

DDG
 
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SeaMaiden

I should be reading more Tim Wilson articles in my eco ag magazine. Why am I not reading more articles from that guy? ;)

DDG, I suggest giving the PGFS product a try. It's relatively inexpensive, and who knows, you may find it also works for you. I like having dry products to mix up for a few reasons, shipping costs not being the least. Much easier to clean up, too. ;)
 
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OrganicOzarks

DuckDuckGoose said:
yes the trenches are where the studies begin...i hope to acquire "trench foot", just kidding, old world war one, joke hahaha!

i just noticed in your post you wrote "i can't say anything about the oils" and i thought the info from the Organic Gem site might help others to learn the possible benefits of using a product with the fish oils.

sorry if my post was misinterpreted. i wasn't trying to imply that the product you use doesn't work. and for people with critter issues, i bet they would get into the stuff i have. it smells very fishy, not the kind of thing you can spill on yourself and just go about the day.

for what it's worth, the Organic Gem website provides a video courtesy of Tim Wilson (everybody knows that guy!!!!) of the microbes and such. it's nice to know that the product has been tested and that their claims seem to be legitimate rather than just sales.
it's the only liquid fish product that i've used so i really have nothing to compare it to. but so far so good from what i can see.

DDG
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I think that what you posted is some good info. I just see to many people on the forums becoming "experts" at growing from reading to many studies. They don't have any first hand knowledge other then the time spent reading the study. I am in no way saying that is what, or who you are. It just seems to happen a lot on here.

I used liquid products for a long time. The guy who taught me how to use a scope swore by them. He used Neptune's Harvest. That would not be my first choice if I were to use a liquid, but to each their own, right?
 
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CT Guy

OrganicOzarks said:
I don't sit here and quote studies. I can however say that from under the scope I can get the same results. Quoting studies is not the same as first hand experience.

These boards are full of experts with first hand experience. No studies needed.:)

I wanted to say that studies are good for a start. However to get concrete answers for each person's particular situation first hand experience is the way to go. Studies have there place, but without people in the trenches there would be nothing new to study.:)
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Ozarks,

I had the exact opposite experience a few years ago when I tested the spray dried fish vs fish hydrolysate. I got very little microbial growth and none of the fungal growth I associate with fish hydrolysate. In fact, I had better microbial life in the control with just water and compost.

Not saying you're wrong, just thought I'd share my experience with that particular product.
 
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OrganicOzarks

CT Guy said:
Ozarks,

I had the exact opposite experience a few years ago when I tested the spray dried fish vs fish hydrolysate. I got very little microbial growth and none of the fungal growth I associate with fish hydrolysate. In fact, I had better microbial life in the control with just water and compost.

Not saying you're wrong, just thought I'd share my experience with that particular product.
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I remember you saying that on another post. This to me shows why I don't think of studies as the end all be all for one to live their life by.

Because if I did a "study", and put my results up on the web people would live their lives by it. Where as you are saying it ain't all that it's cracked up to be.

How can both people be right? Variables?

That is why when someone gets on a forum, and starts quoting a "study" like it is a fact in every single circumstance I start to not listen. It seems that there are thousand's of "experts" on these forums that have very little practical growing experience.:)

I will take a seasoned Gardener/farmer over a kid that lives in a big City that likes to recite studies all day.:)

I would be interested to see any data you have in association to the use of the powder instead of the liquid.
 
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CT Guy

All I have for data is the microscope videos. I'd have to try and dig them out. Probably worth going and back and testing again.
 
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SeaMaiden

FWIW, I don't use fish at all in any teas, only feeds that are used immediately. We've got hornets, and they're here to take over the world.
 
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