BioCanna Range

[unclefishstick]

Epsom Salts = Magnesium Sulfate

Magnesium + Sulfur = both of which are water soluble in their elemental form.

Where's this Calcium in Epsom Salts? Calcium is a metallic element - that's where the EDTA comes in.

Jeezzzzz

yeah yeah,sorry stoned,got it wrong...
derived from
calcium carbonate
magnesium carbonate

contains
10% fermented molasses
2.5 % cane sugar


note,no EDTA...

 

[subrob]

The bio terra plus soil isnt organic...the bio soil is if you can still get it..we cant in cali...i let the hippie freaks tell you whats what
But when using the canna bio line(never used the terra plus nutes or soil) produced the best tasting herb ive smoked in thirty plis years of smoking..

 

[SpicySativa]

I think this dead horse has been beaten sufficiently...

 

[SirSmokeallot]

So just to clarify, I am advised to use Ca/Mg as well as BioVega and BioFlores? What would I need to do if I am lacking in nitrogen come flowering? Just add some more Vega in there?

And as for the BioTerra Plus, from the info I'm getting from the UK BioCanna website, it is organic.

Should I use Flagron Batmix instead maybe?

 

[SpicySativa]

So just to clarify, I am advised to use Ca/Mg as well as BioVega and BioFlores? What would I need to do if I am lacking in nitrogen come flowering? Just add some more Vega in there?

And as for the BioTerra Plus, from the info I'm getting from the UK BioCanna website, it is organic.

Should I use Flagron Batmix instead maybe?

You definitely don't want to be lacking in nitrogen during the first couple weeks of 12/12. Your plant will want lots of nitrogen during this time, and it will get it... Either from you (yes, use some Vega during this time) or from your fan leaves (bad).

I don't know the NPK of those nutrients you're talking about, but I'd probably do something like a 50/50 mix of the veg and bloom for the first couple weeks of 12/12, then taper off the veg by, I dunno, maybe week 4 or so. If your bloom nutrient has no (or very low) nitrogen, you might need to use it another time or two before harvest to keep them nice 'n green until a few weeks from harvest.

 

[SpicySativa]

So just to clarify, I am advised to use Ca/Mg as well as BioVega and BioFlores? What would I need to do if I am lacking in nitrogen come flowering? Just add some more Vega in there?

And as for the BioTerra Plus, from the info I'm getting from the UK BioCanna website, it is organic.

Should I use Flagron Batmix instead maybe?

You definitely don't want to be lacking in nitrogen during the first couple weeks of 12/12. Your plant will want lots of nitrogen during this time, and it will get it... Either from you (yes, use some Vega during this time) or from your fan leaves (bad).

I don't know the NPK of those nutrients you're talking about, but I'd probably do something like a 50/50 mix of the veg and bloom for the first couple weeks of 12/12, then taper off the veg by, I dunno, maybe week 4 or so. If your bloom nutrient has no (or very low) nitrogen, you might need to use it another time or two before harvest to keep them nice 'n green until a few weeks from harvest.

 

[SirSmokeallot]

Could I use something else for nitrogen other than the veg nutrients? I'm wondering because let's say I decided to go SOG with 1.4l containers, straight from clone to 12/12 with a BioCanna Plus Soil, do you think I'd need any of the BioVega nutrients? I was thinking I could get Bio Rhizotonic and BioFlores and BioBoost and just leave out the BioVeg as I wouldn't be vegetating for more than a week or two.

 

[SpicySativa]

I can't help you with all those brand name soils and bottled nutrients. I've never tried them, and I don't know what's in them. I do know that the plant will want a healthy amount of nitrogen available to it during veg, and during the stretch period. If you skip the veg period, they're still going to want significant nitrogen in the first few weeks of flower. Does that soil have any nitrogen sources in it? Blood meal? Alfalfa? Crab? Seed meals? Take a look at the ingredients and google search each of them. If it has a nitrogen source, it might last you a couple/few weeks, but you're probably still want to use a little bit of veg nutrient to keep them green until a few weeks before harvest.

You've gotta learn to read the plants, and that'll only come with experience. If they start lightening up early in bloom (yellowing, or even a lighter shades of green), you probably should hit them with a little nitrogen.

The plants won't know what the label on the bottle looked like, so long as they get the nitrogen they're looking for.

 

[BasementGrower]

had a friend i was workin with .. was hitting almost 4 lbs per 1000w .. with the right strain in BioTerra Plus and BioCanna Nutes. but then the bioterra plus just disapeared..

 

[BasementGrower]

if u leave out the Vega.. id buy Pure Blend Grow.. and use that for veg for a couple weeks.. but if u leave out the VEGA and no Veg nutes.. ull see yellowing a little earlier then ud like. because u wana use vega rhizo and cannazym until the stretch stops in flower.. what i did last SOG was vega for first 2 weeks 12/12 sometimes 3 weeks.. depending.. and then straight to flores with pk 13/14 cannazym rhizo and bioboost. a liter of Vega is 30 bucks.. u want it .. even if ur doing straight to 12 12 .

 

[SirSmokeallot]

Sweet thanks BasementGrower.

If you don't mind telling I'm curious what size containers you SOG in, under what wattage light and what was your dried yield?

 

[bigshrimp]

nope,the cal/mag is made from epsom salts and molasses,they feed that to some form of bacteria/yeast and ferment it,undoubtedly some form of patented organism which is one of the reasons they never sought organic labeling...

Yeah i looked into that... complete nonsense.

The only cost effective way chelate metals that can be bottled is with synthetic chemicals. There are other methods but they either would be expensive or not stable enough to be bottled.

I think GO is lying.

 

[unthing]

what is this stuff? i have an idea, but not sure. biobizz and biocanna etc have similar um texture of thick brown liquid with sorta sweet smell, molasses and mineral nutriens? seaweed and buffers too or?

 

[FunTimesIndeed]

I'm guessing you gave up on the leaf mold, compost, and pumice idea?

 

[SpicySativa]

Yeah i looked into that... complete nonsense.

The only cost effective way chelate metals that can be bottled is with synthetic chemicals. There are other methods but they either would be expensive or not stable enough to be bottled.

I think GO is lying.

They aren't lying... The Ca and Mg are chelated by organic acids (and aminos, etc) produced during the fermentation of molasses. I'd venture it's probably cheaper to ferment molasses than synthesize EDTA.

It's solid science.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16125291/

This is a paper focuse on phytoremediation, not gardening... But they use organic chelates to help plants uptake metals (just in this case, the metals are contaminating soil).

Glucoheptonate is another interesting compound I'm surprised we don't hear about more often. Google that one up.

 

[SpicySativa]

Many things remain "secrets" in the MJ growing industry because it helps manufacturers sell products at absurd prices to uninformed consumers. Step outside the MJ (hydro shop) bubble, and there's a whole industry that's been growing plants organically for many many many years.

 

[SpicySativa]

An example of an OMRI listed liquid micronutrient supplement (metals chelated with glucoheptonate).

http://www.chemwisz.com/grow-greener-grass/agriculture-2/micro-boost

General Organics could get the OMRI listing if they felt it necessary. Truth is, most people see "General ORGANICS" and take it at face value...

 

[DuckDuckGoose]

An example of an OMRI listed liquid micronutrient supplement (metals chelated with glucoheptonate).

http://www.chemwisz.com/grow-greener-grass/agriculture-2/micro-boost

General Organics could get the OMRI listing if they felt it necessary. Truth is, most people see "General ORGANICS" and take it at face value...

here is another good one....kelp.

 

[SpicySativa]

here is another good one....kelp.

Yup. Kelp is good stuff.

 

[couchlockd]

the bio canna line is organic and veganic and omri.

but i started with a free sampel bottle of pure vida way back then, then moved to GO line as it was cheaper, then finally biocanna. and now i am parked at " pre ammended fertile soils and just add water"

nothing beats the soil already built to spec and freaked here and there with act's and such. top dressed with dry ferts like happy frog nothing looked better so far than with pre ammended organic soil.