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Has anyone found their Sativa Holygrail?

shivamouse

New member
If so what was it and how would you describe the high?

I would love to find something like what I found about 20 years ago.

Appearance:

A friend gave me a gram of buds, it had a very mild smell of passion fruit, I don't remember it having lots of trichomes or being oily in appearance.


Effect:


I was pretty inexperienced, but I rolled the gram in to two straight joints which I smoked completely to myself.
I had smoked the second joint about 30min after the first since I was feeling so good I wanted to increase the effect.
I felt a moment of fear as I thought maybe I could die from being so high, this was fleeting though and soon passed. (I put that down to inexperience rather than paranoia).
Then I turned off the light in my room and listened to music. The music was just simply amazing. I soon started to notice a soaring sensation as I took flight on the wings of my imagination. I had very vivid visuals of fantastic alien landscapes in the darkness, which to this day I remember (they were better than any I had on any psychedelic, more detailed, more real, more beautiful).
After a while I regained awareness of my body and decided to get up and turn my light on. Walking across the room in the dark I felt like I was floating, I started to laugh at how crazy it was, feeling like I was walking on the moon.
Maybe after an hour or two it wore off and I felt completely normal with no after effects, hangover or tiredness. It was as if nothing had ever happened.

To sum it up it felt like I had been handed the keys to a magical land that had completely blown me away. I had found six magical seeds in that gram!

From those seeds I got four females and two males (grown outdoor - in Australia, early 90's, lat 37 approx).

I didn't know what to expect, but with out fail after 15-20mins after starting to smoke a joint I would be suddenly flying through the clouds. I wouldn't know when it hit me, I would just become aware that I was off the planet after sometime, a real creeper. Each time I would start to smoke a joint I would think I might not get high this time, but I always did, the cumulative nature of the smoke meant that eventually I would break though. If I started to come down, I would just re-light the joint and be off again.


Main characteristics:


1.It produced very strong trails in my vision. I did not get any visuals from these offspring though unlike the above experience.

2.Entrancing. My friend said that every time he shifted his head he felt like he was in a different world, I told him that it happened to me too. We then nicknamed this dope "different worlds". You would just want to be as still as possible to stay in the trance, but any time you moved you noticed just how out there you were.

3.A floating sensation, very physical in nature.

4.Soaring through the clouds, intense imaginative effects

5.Forgetting you have a body (really related to the trance effect).

6.The best effect: utter bliss, no dark corners, paranoia, bodily effects, no fast heart beat, nothing to distract you from feeling wonderful.

7.It was always exciting, an adventure that I always just wanted to embark on.

8.Versatile, it could be a real party with energy if you wanted it to be or you could just groove on the trance like effects and meditate.


Afterwards:


I eventually got around to smoking the males and was surprised to find them to be as good if not better than the females even though I could not see any trichomes.

I didn't keep any seeds because I was a novice and mistakenly thought all dope was like this.

In an effort to recapture this wonderful experience I ended up trying many psychedelics, shrooms, acid, dmt, salvia etc, but in my mind though they were much more powerful and had much more wide ranging effects, they did not have the magic of this dope that I had been blessed to experience.

I smoked many types of sativas from different people and none were in the same league. Some more potent in terms of concentration, but none as blissful or exciting with that soaring beauty to them. I tried thai varieties, had some friends mullumbimby strains a few times, I grew some nevilles haze out, they were all very nice, but not even close.

I gave up smoking five years ago. I recently read through the ultimate sativa thread and other sativa threads trying to find any clues, but I have none. Sometimes I think maybe it was my virgin brain that allowed that experience and now it can't be recaptured.
I am now approaching my fortieth year and have some romantic notions of experiencing that soaring bliss again, but I don't want to get stoned, I just want some of that spiritual sacrament.

So that is why I asked this question of you, perhaps someone has felt this and experienced it themselves. I would love to hear your stories. Maybe someone knows what is around today that is like this.

Thank you.
 

zachrockbadenof

Well-known member
Veteran
just secured a pack of ace's golden tiger.... we are looking for a 20 week pheno...will we find it??.... we'll check back in 6mos
 

Socrates

Member
Shiva, I used to have similar experiences when I first started smoking - for the first year or so things like this would happen to me if I got high enough. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure you don't ever get that back, even after taking a long break. Kali Mist was the closest I've gotten, FWIW. Also, although it was close to when I started smoking and I have no idea what it was specifically, there was bag of Costa Rican landrace sativa I got near Arenal that sent me to those alien landscapes for sure.
 

Tiami

Member
welcome, good post. looks like you had really special plant. wish you to find something similar, don't forget to post it here when you do :)
 

wingdings

Member
Veteran
Golden Tiger is a great place to begin your search hard to go wrong with Malawi x Thai. Ace also has a polyhybrid of Zamal x Malawi/Thai . IMO you are not going to find a stronger sativa than these Zamaldelica seeds, the plants grow with extreme vigor and the 14 week flower time is relatively short.
 

Easy7

Active member
Veteran
just secured a pack of ace's golden tiger.... we are looking for a 20 week pheno...will we find it??.... we'll check back in 6mos

5 months, I never smoked anything like that and I am very curious. That would surely result in some 'Private Reserve', :ying:
 
M

mtncolas

1974 Panama Red , just tried two of my new clones lately and you description fits it to a T!
 

VanVulpen

Well-known member
Veteran
Golden Tiger is a great place to begin your search hard to go wrong with Malawi x Thai. Ace also has a polyhybrid of Zamal x Malawi/Thai . IMO you are not going to find a stronger sativa than these Zamaldelica seeds, the plants grow with extreme vigor and the 14 week flower time is relatively short.

I have yet to try Zamaldelica but a couple of years ago i had the unique opportunity to grow Zamal x Meao Thai from Dubi and that shit was bomb diggy! And guess what? we've been crossing those females with Neville's Haze and Tom Hill's Haze and the results were even better... We even had the chance to try our grail against the best we found in the Dampkring and the Greenhouse coffeeshops and everyone agreed that their hazes or Kali Mist were miles behind our stuff... and i do mean miles :biggrin:

 

OLDproLg

Active member
Veteran
Could not leave a chair after smokin an old sativa!!

Could not leave a chair after smokin an old sativa!!

YUP!!!

Sounds like a great description to me hahahaha...
Back in the day i had an old sativa,the strongest pot ever!
HEAVY BUZZ that would deck any indica today,litterally.
This plant i lost and im still bumming 35 yrs later.......................
SHe was completely done when a hard frost burnt it dead,but this
plant had a beautiful RED RESIN un seeded damn it an all...
Oil was OFF the HOOK too,she was the best ive ever had in 40 yrs.
2 yrs old cured bud still was oily and would stick you to a chair when smoked!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=205101&stc=1&d=7678241
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Love these old pix from 1983..........i kinda look like Huan Valdes admiring coffee!!!
THe smell was the spiciest ive had too,sorry about the old polaroid shots hahah..
Keep looking folks,if you find anything like it you will be LUCKY!!
 

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swayzak

Member
Has anyone found their Sativa Holygrail?

Feel like a broken record but Punta Rosa really worked for me. My only complaint would be that some phenos had a really high pitch vibration, put you too far into outer space. Probably took too early. Before that zamal x haze was my grail.
 

bigherb

Well-known member
Veteran
YUP!!!

Sounds like a great description to me hahahaha...
Back in the day i had an old sativa,the strongest pot ever!
HEAVY BUZZ that would deck any indica today,litterally.
This plant i lost and im still bumming 35 yrs later.......................
SHe was completely done when a hard frost burnt it dead,but this
plant had a beautiful RED RESIN un seeded damn it an all...
Oil was OFF the HOOK too,she was the best ive ever had in 40 yrs.
2 yrs old cured bud still was oily and would stick you to a chair when smoked!
https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=205101&stc=1&d=7678241
https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=205102&stc=1&d=7678241
https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=205103&stc=1&d=7678241
Love these old pix from 1983..........i kinda look like Huan Valdes admiring coffee!!!
THe smell was the spiciest ive had too,sorry about the old polaroid shots hahah..
Keep looking folks,if you find anything like it you will be LUCKY!!


Nice to see ya posting

I remember your detailed smoke description of Asia girl had me drooling . I wish she was still around aswell Tho i never tasted her lol


1luvbigherb
 

zachrockbadenof

Well-known member
Veteran
5 months, I never smoked anything like that and I am very curious. That would surely result in some 'Private Reserve', :ying:

i've never 'grown' a 5mos strain...i'm tired of all these hybrids...my thoughts r there is no way that a poly-hyb that is flowering for 60/70 days will be as strong as a 140/150 day plant... maybe we will be disappointed... i'll check back in 5mos and let u know...
 

Mustafunk

Brand new oldschool
Veteran
Those Zamal "Guerrit cut" X Meao Thai" look outstanding... the batch of Meao Thai male crosses from ACE is definitely something outstanding. This year I will probably try Angola X Meao Thai and Ko Chang or Vietnam Black X Meao Thai. I have serious expectatives on that stuff!

My mind also thinks about some south indians and africans or old mexicans. I'm pretty sure I will find my personal grain between all this beauties I've said!

peace .
 

VanVulpen

Well-known member
Veteran
Don't forget the Guerrero/Blueberry my dear Mustafunk ;) Several people here have confirmed her "acid like" qualities...

 

shivamouse

New member
Thank you to every one who has taken the time out to post about their valuable experiences with their sativa divas. :thank you: I just love hearing those stories about elite strains that seem almost mythical in their effect.
Those beautiful pictures and comments lead me to believe that there are still great plants to be found.
I think aside from all the strains that are mentioned here maybe a good Oaxacan would be exciting too.
 
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trem0lo

Sativas surely are more interesting to me than indicas as the "good ones" send you so far into the clouds that it feels like a light mushroom trip. They can be incredibly introspective as you are hyper aware of yourself and your surroundings.

I've had some Mexican brick in my day and I just love that giggly, confused red eye express that lasts and lasts. The quality wasn't great but good times and good memories are there for sure.

I've had a few strains too that exceed those pure sativa highs but with some indica concessions. One was very trippy, cloudy and disorienting and had a bad habit of keeping me up all night. Another was a light, daytime high that was fully functional. Durban Poison I think it was.

The flying effect is sure fun, and I've found it in different forms while exploring F2 sour diesel phenos of Rez/JLP stock from 2006. One felt like being launched off the deck of a ship at high speed, was very clear and returned in waves over the hours. Red eye was minimal. A tunneling effect at whatever you are focused on was pronounced, as if you were being physically pulled toward it. A strong but nice motivational day smoke.

Another pheno gives a similar soaring effect, but in a more trippy and euphoric way, something that takes 15-20 minutes to fully feel, and sets you down in another dimension for a few hours. The initial hour is awe inspiring in its strength as a vibrational warmth wraps itself around your head and chest. Open eyed peripheral visuals make your head shoot left and right, only to notice something else that captures your attention. Red eye is in full effect and confusion/hilarity is found in everyday events. As you venture off to sleep your dark room becomes a wonderland of patterns and sounds with just a little sinister edge. This is closest to the experiences I had while younger, and surely a keeper.

The third pheno is not really worth commenting on, but still leaned toward sd in effect, structure, and flowering time. A light and tasty smoke she was, with more body.
 
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