Kelp Meal & Neem Cake? What ratio

[itisme]

At what ratio to I mix in the Kelp Meal with the Dolemite Lime, Blood and Bone Meal? Neem Cake too?

I put it in this mix but I used extra worm castings and I need a little more perlite. Where can I get the best kind of KELP MEAL and NEEM CAKE?

RECIPE #1

If you want to use organic nutrients like Blood meal, Bone meal and Kelp meal...

1 tablespoon Blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons Bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed
(OPTIONAL) 1 tablespoon per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of Jersey Greensand to supplement the K (potasium) in the Kelp Meal and seaweed extract.

 

[jerry111165]

Neemresource.com

J

 

[CT Guy]

Not really a fan of that recipe. But here's my feedback:

1. There is a HUGE difference between kelp extract and kelp meal. You want kelp meal for mixing your soil. I like to use it at a rate of 1 cup per cubic ft. Acadian seaplants is a good brand. It's N. Atlantic Sea Kelp (ascophyllum nodosum) You can get it locally at any feed store in 50 lb bags. Don't bother with the Dr. Earth brand of any of the others that your hydro store might carry. Total ripoff on price.

2. For neem cake, you want the brand Jerry listed (Ahimsa Neem). I recommend a rate of 1/2 cup - 1 cup per cubic ft of soil.

3. You can get both in smaller quantities from www.kisorganics.com if you can't find it locally.

4. Kelp extract can be used for watering, though Maxicrop is an inferior brand in my opinion, due to the manner in which they extract the kelp. I prefer Acadian or Nature's Essence, as they are both cold water processed. You want the same species of kelp as I listed above.

Hope that helps,
CT

 

[koolkush]

Not really a fan of that recipe. But here's my feedback:

1. There is a HUGE difference between kelp extract and kelp meal. You want kelp meal for mixing your soil. I like to use it at a rate of 1 cup per cubic ft. Acadian seaplants is a good brand. It's N. Atlantic Sea Kelp (ascophyllum nodosum) You can get it locally at any feed store in 50 lb bags. Don't bother with the Dr. Earth brand of any of the others that your hydro store might carry. Total ripoff on price.

2. For neem cake, you want the brand Jerry listed (Ahimsa Neem). I recommend a rate of 1/2 cup - 1 cup per cubic ft of soil.

3. You can get both in smaller quantities from www.kisorganics.com if you can't find it locally.

4. Kelp extract can be used for watering, though Maxicrop is an inferior brand in my opinion, due to the manner in which they extract the kelp. I prefer Acadian or Nature's Essence, as they are both cold water processed. You want the same species of kelp as I listed above.

Hope that helps,
CT

Can't u make kelp meal tea with kelp meal?

 

[CT Guy]

Can't u make kelp meal tea with kelp meal?

You can. The kelp extract is highly soluble and allows for immediate application. It is very inexpensive, though the kelp meal has some additional benefits over the extract. Either option is going to be cheaper/better than anything you get from a bottle. The kelp extract is what you find mixed with water and molasses in many popular organic bottled nutrients.

 

[itisme]

Thx so much CT. I knew about that best kelp but didn't know a good brand.

What about the neem cake? Is their a brand or two you all like?

 

[MileHighGuy]

Thx so much CT. I knew about that best kelp but didn't know a good brand.

What about the neem cake? Is their a brand or two you all like?

Yes there is.... www.neemresource.com as CT Guy mentioned. Neem Resource carries the ahimsa. It's Great!

2. For neem cake, you want the brand Jerry listed (Ahimsa Neem). I recommend a rate of 1/2 cup - 1 cup per cubic ft of soil.

 

[CT Guy]

or get the ahimsa neem and kelp from KIS in the same order (they repackage the neemresource.com neem). It's the same product. If you need large quantities, like a 44# bag, and can source the kelp meal locally, I'd go with neemresource.com

Hope that helps!

 

[koolkush]

You can. The kelp extract is highly soluble and allows for immediate application. It is very inexpensive, though the kelp meal has some additional benefits over the extract. Either option is going to be cheaper/better than anything you get from a bottle. The kelp extract is what you find mixed with water and molasses in many popular organic bottled nutrients.

K thanks CT Guy

 

[SeaMaiden]

CT, I'm sitting here on the KIS site looking at their oyster shell flour, and it looks markedly different from the oyster shell flour I purchased from Peaceful Valley. Any idea why that is? Also, do you know anything else about their soluble seaweed powder? What it's made from, how it's made, yadda yadda yadda? It's the oyster shell flour that's really got my attention, mine's pretty much a white/grayish-white color.

 

[CT Guy]

This is the KIS stuff, it's from Pacific Pearl. Can't believe it's $5/lb on Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Pearl-Oyster-Shell-Flour/dp/B007DL0AGI

This link explains it better:
http://www.phoenixorganics.com/new/node/6206

I'm quite happy with the consistency and quality.

What did you want to know about the seaweed powder? It's from Nova Scotia and is cold water processed ascophyllum nodosum. Very Soluble! Just the moisture on your skin will cause it to solubilize. Dug this up on my computer:

Benefits of Nature’s Essence
Seaweed SEP
Derived From Ascophyllum Nodosum



Horticulture:
• Increases quality and yields
• Increases chlorophyll levels
• Stimulates shoot and root growth
• Improves plant health through delivery of trace elements
• Provides better establishment of seeds
• Increases resistance to temperature extremes (drought and frost)
• Increases plants’ resistance to pests and disease
• Improves flowering and fruit set
• Compatible with major fungicides and insecticides

Golf Courses and Turf
• Increases activity of soil micro-organisms
• Increases root mass
• Increases leaf growth and tillering
• Helps withstand insect and disease activity
• Increases chlorophyll levels
• Increases tolerance of stress
• Increases tolerance of drought

Agriculture
• Increases animal health and fertility
• Ideal for organically certified farms
• Allows for reduced N-P-K inputs
• Enhances crop quality and nutritional value
• Increases yields of all crops
• Easy to apply in many different application systems
Nature’s Essence Soluble Seaweed Specifications
Derived from Ascophyllum Nodosum

Nature’s Essence SEP
Typical Characteristics
Appearance Brown/Black Granular
Odor Marine Seaweed Odor
Total Solids 92%-95%
Moisture 5%-8%
Organic Matter 45%-50%
Inorganic Matter 40%-45%
Solubility 100% in water
Fiber Less than 1%
Oil Less than 1%
Typical Analysis
Aluminum Less than 10 ppm
Boron 50-100 ppm
Calcium 1.5%-2.0%
Cobalt 3.5-6.5 ppm
Copper 20-45 ppm
Iodine 250-500 ppm
Iron 250-1000 ppm
Magnesium 2000-3000 ppm
Manganese 15-30 ppm
Nitrogen 0.8%-1.2%
Phosphorous 100-200 ppm
Potassium 15.0%-17.0%
Sodium 3.0%-4.5%
Sulfur 1.0%-2.0%

Growth Stimulants: SEP contains natural Cytokinins, Auxins, Gibberellins, and Betaines.

 

[StayBlazinDawg]

Just started using Neem Cake and Kelp Meal in my ACT and Coir soil love it. I'm glad that shit is in the garage now so i don't have to smell it all the time in the house.

 

[SeaMaiden]

CT, you've provided the info I was curious about regarding the soluble kelp powder. The oyster shell powder I'm still curious about, considering how it's harvested and the fact that it appears to be a fossil product (no mention of living carpenter oysters in the bay) and not a byproduct of, say, oyster mariculture, and that's with specific regard to what I'm accustomed to (the white powdery stuff), and whether this product performs better than any other OSP. I mean, is there a reason why this might be better than another OSP? Appearance is about all I have to go on, given the information provided in the link. Thanks!

 

[CT Guy]

Coot knows the difference. He's the one that got me using this brand. You'd have to ask him though.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

CT Guy

I think that you have a bad link in your Image Directory - the one at the KIS Organic web site doesn't appear to be OSP but does kinda look like fish meal.

Peaceful Valley sells Pacific Pearl's OSP