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Going wheat free..

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OrganicOzarks

The only reason I would advise someone to go wheat free is because they already tried the following, and are still having problems:
Go vegetarian
Eat 100% organic food
Exercise daily
Don't consume sweets
Don't consume caffeine
Don't consume artificial food colorings
Don't consume preservatives
DONT EAT FAST FOOD EVER!
Don't use products with fluoride
Cut out products that are in containers which have BPA(some canned goods come bpa free, aluminum cans for soda are lined with BPA)
Have sex daily if possible

I bet at this point wheat won't be much of an issue with anyone. Now if you eat meat, and don't exactly have a healthy diet then jump on the wheat free band wagon. It is not the miracle cure all that some people say it is. Every person I have known to do it had other dietary issues that they should have addressed before even considering going wheat free.

A little side note about wheat itself. Organic wheat will act differently in your bod than GMO pesticide sprayed wheat will. Some studies have shown that all of the "wheat allergies" are actually due to GMO pesticide laden wheat. Along with Americans having a shitty diet in general.:)
 
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SeaMaiden

I finally consulted the RD in my life about that blood type diet. You know, a professional whose science and practice is specifically human nutrition? She said, simply, it's bunk.

Hey Tokers den,

So i decided to try and go wheat free in my diet. I have been reading a book called 'Wheat Belly', and it has some interesting points which had me thinking for a while and I decided to make a change.

Anyone else doing this?

I had to do this with our granddaughter, but I can tell you it's much easier to simply go gluten-free than wheat free. Also, organic wheats and products are usually not made with GMO wheats, which are part of the problem.

What are you using to substitute for the wheat in your diet? If you have questions about recipes, let me or Dave know, we've got a few. Even pizza.
 

Sam the Caveman

Good'n Greasy
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I been slowly cutting wheat and gluten out of my diet over the last 6 months or so.

I was quite healthy before I started and have noticed I feel better all around when I'm not eating gluten. Less sluggish feeling.

Been wanting to make some gluten free pizza dough and make some pizza lately. It seems all the commercial pizza joints put msg in the pizza, i can tell and I hate that shit. I feel so disrespected when I realize I been eating it, then comes the headache. So I need some pizza without msg and gluten free.

think I'm going to try this Indian style pizza recepie I found on youtube, it looks so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwHpRXzvrlU&list=FL3FJdlMpHLPlGeOefTKEm2A&index=3
 

Hydro-Soil

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I finally consulted the RD in my life about that blood type diet. You know, a professional whose science and practice is specifically human nutrition? She said, simply, it's bunk.
ROTFLMAO!

WOW! Good thing you told me... I'll just chuck all this experience I've had with it and all the blood types. I'll pass the word on to all the folks it's helped as well. They'll be VERY surprised to hear it.

Your RD is wrong. Sorry. Lab results prove it.

I've been talking to RD's for years too... you can still run across ones that count friggin calories. LOL Whatever.

They just need to update their knowledge on the subject and read up on the facts. That's all. A year of them looking into it and the they'll change their mind and give you different advice.

People don't recommend asbestos for common heat proofing anymore. Better info now than before.


Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:

p.s. Still laughing. LOL 10 years of in your face proof with all blood types and some RD is supposed to change my mind? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL :thank you: I really needed that this morning. ROTFLMAO!! :D
 
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toughmudderdave

Lab results prove it.
Peer reviewed? Show me.

... you can still run across ones that count friggin calories. LOL Whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet
Lack of clinical trials

Another criticism is that there are no clinical trials of the Blood Type Diet. In his first book Eat Right 4 Your Type, D'Adamo mentions being in the eighth year of a 10 year cancer trial,[23] but the results of this trial have never been published. In his book Arthritis: Fight It With the Blood type Diet, D'Adamo mentions an impending clinical trial of the Blood Type Diet in order to determine its effects on the outcomes of patients with rheumatoid arthritis,[24] but the results of this 12 week trial have also never been published.
I believe the Blood Type diet is bunk as well and I've made it a point to study diet and nutrition. I've used my body as a test platform and I've helped many people get fit. I also count calories and I am in excellent physical condition. Diet, health, fitness is a passion of mine. I read up on, and study, these topics just like you guys do with your cannabis cultivation. The general consensus among the various running/bodybuilding/fitness boards that I frequent is that this diet is like any other fad diet with no peer reviewed scientific data backing it up. And these folks, like me, make diet and fitness their business.
 

Hydro-Soil

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Peer reviewed? Show me.
Gee.. based on over 100 years of peer reviewed science. That enough for ya? (Edit: It's basis is mainly lectins and agglutination... a subject that has been extensively researched. Ever hear of ricin?)


Wikipedia? Seriously?

I believe the Blood Type diet is bunk

When you get personal experience with choosing your foods by blood type and you begin to understand how it fits in with all that knowledge you already have... I'll put some weight behind your posts on the subject. :) Gladly. :D

In my experience... everyone in the field that's actually... personally worked with folks on this, have no doubts.

Remember folks... mono and di-glycerides, hydrogenated oils, all that fake food crap? It's on the 'avoids' list. If you order food that's for your blood type and put the wrong salad dressing on it, fry it in the wrong oil or add stuff that's wrong for your blood type... it's not going to work. (Shocker!)

Stick to your neutral and beneficial foods and you'll drop/rise to your natural body weight. No exercise, no dieting (eat as much as you want... your body will let you know when you've had enough.) none of that crap. :D


Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 
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toughmudderdave

Gee.. based on over 100 years of peer reviewed science. That enough for ya? (Edit: It's basis is mainly lectins and agglutination... a subject that has been extensively researched. Ever hear of ricin?)
Straight from the authors website that sells the book. OK.

Wikipedia? Seriously?
Yes. I suppose I could use the authors website, eh?



When you get personal experience with choosing your foods by blood type and you begin to understand how it fits in with all that knowledge you already have... I'll put some weight behind your posts on the subject. :) Gladly. :D

In my experience... everyone in the field that's actually... personally worked with folks on this, have no doubts.

Remember folks... mono and di-glycerides, hydrogenated oils, all that fake food crap? It's on the 'avoids' list. If you order food that's for your blood type and put the wrong salad dressing on it, fry it in the wrong oil or add stuff that's wrong for your blood type... it's not going to work. (Shocker!)

Stick to your neutral and beneficial foods and you'll drop/rise to your natural body weight. No exercise, no dieting (eat as much as you want... your body will let you know when you've had enough.) none of that crap. :D


Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
Why would I want to "get personal experience with choosing food according to my blood type"? I'd be willing to bet that using my body as an example of health, fitness, and what works would bear my assertions out better than yours. What does it mean by dropping/rising to one's "natural" body weight? What does that even mean? When I see you post about eating as much as you want without exercise all I can think is...wow. Seriously? No exercise? That is like all those "magic pill" diets where all one has to do is take this pill and the fat melts away. LOL! And you have the audacity to argue my points? What's your body fat percentage? Can you run a mile in under 10 minutes? 9 minutes? Can you sustain said pace over time? Tonight I'm going to push myself for 2 miles in under 16 minutes. Can you deadlift 300lbs or more for 8 reps? Being thin doesn't always mean "fit" and it doesn't always mean healthy either.

I buck the trend too. I think Paleo is bunk as well. I think saturated fats are still unhealthy. Why? My own body and my blood test results bear it out. You will discount everything I say until I do it your way, so it really doesn't matter now does it? I'm going on 53. I run half marathons (5 scheduled for this year not including my Tough Mudder events and various 10K runs), my goal is to run 1000 miles or more this year and I'm already ahead of schedule. I am in prime physical condition by doing it "my way". Discount away. I've read your guy's info. I've read Atkins. I've read up on Paleo. I have to. People rely on me for info on health forums...and in the real world. I'm currently coaching a guy who got diagnosed with a bifurcated aortic valve and is in danger of an aneurysm. He needs to drop 50lbs in six months. I'm helping him achieve that goal sooner and get him off blood pressure meds.
 
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OrganicOzarks

The THC levels in my blood are beginning to lower. I need to smkoooooooooookkkkkkkeeeeeee........:)
 

theJointedOne

Active member
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now now dudes....

who cares what other people do...Just do what makes YOU feel good and no worries about anyone else..

So i went to the store today and it is so apparent to me now how much wheat is in the foods we are served in mass. I guess I was just oblivious to this....

And this is not like Atkins where you cut out all carbs...i am down with a few carbs..i need them im sure...just not the carbs i get from bread or other white foods....
 
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toughmudderdave

And this is not like Atkins where you cut out all carbs...

Yes. He does tend to get a bit extreme if you look at his recipes, but it is (like I initially stated) not at all "Atkins".

I tried it. I liked it. It helped my fitness and health...But I'm back to eating wheat...just keeping it to a minimum. I think you'll dig it and see many positive effects from it.
 

ronbo51

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I am a vegetarian since I was 17. I am mid fifties now. I have gardened my entire life. I eat pretty well although I backslide every once in a while, and I love a couple good clean lagers at the end of the day. My wife is a great cook, always supported the veggie lifestyle. In recent years she suffers from consistent joint and muscle pain and just switched over to gluten free. We are a few months into it and she swears it has helped but for me I noticed no difference. I do know that rice pasta is OK but traditional baked goods pretty much suck. Gluten free breads are dense and the multi component flours all clash leaving an undistinguishable flavor that I find unpleasant. With enough sugar and fat stuff like cookies and banana bread are palatable, but in the end since the stuff kind of tastes like crap you just stop eating it, which may be a good thing. I haven't looked into it but I wonder if some wheat has less gluten or is better for you. One site I go to they rave about hard red winter wheat, non gmo, organically grown.
Also, back before I had one of my hips replaced I ran a lot. I did half marathons and shorter races as well as running 7-8 miles every day. I loved it. Completely addicted to the endorphin slam that resulted. But it blew my hips out and I have not run since. Now I walk. You can get up a good heartrate if you push it but I would stop running. It's terrible for your knees and hips.
 

Hydro-Soil

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Focuses on the 'theory' of how this all came about. Frankly, I don't care if the dr. believes aliens make soup for him... if the lab work is correct (and ime it is indeed correct) then the lab work is correct.

My daughter is O and is definitely healthier than any kids around her.


They talk about portions? Restrictions? 'Possible' problems with not enough fiber or blah blah blah... It's food choices people, don't be dumb. We simply try to keep a balance of 70% alkaline foods, 30% acidic. My O blood type child eats almonds and oats, along with a lot of fruit and meat, rice, northern bean tempeh (yes, it's neutral because of the bean being used... she loves it) and a large variety of veggies.
She does not have the 'moral luxury' of being vegan. The removal of red meat from her diet is directly observable in her behaviour and health. Heck... I just heard about an "O" blood type girl that was raised vegan and sick... into the hospital sick, doctors doing the "Blood work is fine but you're dying?" routine. Started eating red meat and is healthy as all get out after a year.

BTW folks... white bread is 'wheat' bread. A lot of people are unaware of that. "Flour"... unless it says otherwise, is made from 'wheat'. Again, I have run in to people that were unaware of that... having never read the ingredients label.

"Enriched" is not in the blood type list. We don't do it. Rinse that crap off your rice, don't get products that are listed as such. They're not good for you, period.

Foods made with oils that are not olive or compatible for the specific person eating it... we don't eat them.
"Organic" foods that include "Organic Carageenan" or "Organic Guar Gum"... are not eaten in my house. Frankly, we don't eat much of anything listed 'organic'... we buy real food and cook it.

75% or more of any health food store is off the list. *shrug* Close to 90% of most products in supermarkets are off the list.

People say they've 'eaten according to their blood type' and it didn't work for them... but did they really? Considering how difficult it is... I'd say not. Their results prove it as well.

Practical experience has me laughing at the dumb stuff these sites put out. Oprah? Dr. Oz? Seriously? Does anyone actually pay attention to what these people say? Wow.

The food supply is poisoned people. Straight up poisoned. It affects your brain chemistry and every other system in your body... every day.

I wish everyone the best of luck getting off the chemical crack. We're all addicts... anyone that's eaten/eating the general crap in america for any period of time is. I just don't eat it anymore unless I have to, doesn't make the cravings any less intense.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 

oldbootz

Active member
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imho hydrosoil is on the right track. i suffered from chronic reflux for 10+ years and then i came down with debilitating thrush affecting my intestines. i became hyper allergic to all red meat and dairy products and also had a bad reaction to tree nuts and soy products. as soon as i changed my diet i started to feel like a new person. my reflux went away completely. my muscle tension also decreased dramatically.

reading the previous posts its good to see that the same thing happened to many other people.

all the doctors i spoke to about this did not give me any diet advice whatsoever, they just wanted to prescribe drugs...

now my diet includes a lot of poultry and fish with fruits and vegetables. i also eat a lot of lentils and rice. i stay far away from breads (which all have GM soy in them as well as wheat) and i dont eat anything with dairy, red meat, tree nuts, soy.

its been 10 months now since i started this diet and 3 months ago i started drinking alchohol again every now and then. i will never go back to what i was eating before as i have felt now how healthy i feel.

substitutes for wheat flower are hard to come by but heath stores sometimes sell tapioca flower.

all the best to you guys out there who are starting to adopt this kind of diet. its hard in the beginning but after a while you will know what to buy from where and how to plan ahead for meals instead of simply buying ready made food from places.
 
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SeaMaiden

H-S doesn't understand the physiological processes at work, and believes that they can be simplified to blood type. Any registered dietitian will tell you it's bollocks to think that your blood type would be the main indicator of what you should or should not be eating. According to Hydro-Soil, almost no one should be eating coconut. Yet it's an incredibly healthy food, including its fats and other constituents.

A registered dietitian's LIFE is all about human nutrition. Can H-S make that same claim? How about just one degree, just one published and peer reviewed paper to back up his claims? All he ever says, all he can ever (not) produce are 'lab results.' What the fuck does that mean? I don't live in a lab, I live in the real world, I'm living life. Not lab results.

And your experience highlights my mother's oft-repeated refrain, "Doctors don't know shit about nutrition!"

Btw, if folks stick to organic foods, they'll be avoiding GMOs. So, farro wheat will be less likely to aggravate gluten-intolerance, but it does still have gluten.
ROTFLMAO!

WOW! Good thing you told me... I'll just chuck all this experience I've had with it and all the blood types. I'll pass the word on to all the folks it's helped as well. They'll be VERY surprised to hear it.

Your RD is wrong. Sorry. Lab results prove it.

I've been talking to RD's for years too... you can still run across ones that count friggin calories. LOL Whatever.

They just need to update their knowledge on the subject and read up on the facts. That's all. A year of them looking into it and the they'll change their mind and give you different advice.

People don't recommend asbestos for common heat proofing anymore. Better info now than before.


Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:

p.s. Still laughing. LOL 10 years of in your face proof with all blood types and some RD is supposed to change my mind? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL :thank you: I really needed that this morning. ROTFLMAO!! :D
An RD with over 50 years in her profession. Someone who went through all the schooling, learned all the science, helped create some of the science. And your best response is pretty much exactly as dagnabit has said. If it doesn't fit with your paradigm, you're not only dismissive, but you're rude about it, too.

And what, exactly, *is* your area of expertise? It ain't the blood type diet or you wouldn't be posting here on a pot-growing site.

This woman has decades under her belt treating and advising not dozens of people, but thousands of people, a Master's degree, has been on advisory boards, taught on the university level, does speaking engagements, is published, and puts her knowledge to practice *not* on herself only, but professionally advising people who, when following her diets show the results.

So, you keep going on and on and on, ad nauseum, about these 'lab results'. How come I can't find any peer reviewed, published studies on this subject matter? If it's so great, how come the dietetic profession doesn't put it into practice? How come even LEAP nutrition practitioners aren't doing it?

Using Google Scholar or Serius, show me the papers, published and peer reviewed. Because I'm not finding 'em.

How come the best we can find are your flappin' gums, huh?

Up next, H-S's declaration that he's putting me on ignore! If only life had an ignore button, yeah?
Remember folks... mono and di-glycerides, hydrogenated oils, all that fake food crap? It's on the 'avoids' list. If you order food that's for your blood type and put the wrong salad dressing on it, fry it in the wrong oil or add stuff that's wrong for your blood type... it's not going to work. (Shocker!)
What dietitian is going to advocate for that stuff..? For what blood type is it right? According to you I shouldn't eat coconut. Yet it makes my hair shine! Hair, skin, teeth, nails--all good general health indicators.

Btw, I'm finding some papers on the subject. Only a couple. One is a patent for nutritional supplements, the other is a study of the personality aspect as discussed by Dr. D'Adamo. You wanna know what the second paper says? Mixed results, with no significant relationship between blood type and personality.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188690400176X
 
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toughmudderdave

I saw Einkorn wheat flour at Whole Foods the last time we were there. I believe Einkorn has less gluten in it than modern varieties.
 
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huarmiquilla

howdy

how you do?

respect tJO
thank you to share
good on you, bless

with respect to title such and such organic
within much text with respect to analysis within standart unique

such to include GMO within acceptable variance

much often organic title to describe more often process rather actual genetic structure
such and such acceptable variance to indulge with preference

much often heirloom variety especial to outcross with preference to contain GMO

chant down babylon

positive vibrations
 

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