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Coco troubles...
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Dude you add all the stuff into your coco along with all the meals and casting? are you sure your not just baking them from your medium? How bout some back up from your growing so far, like how long have you been growing for aero, coco, ect. I am not trying to sound like arrogant believe me. I put cal/mag, silicate, and maxibloom in my coco that's it. never have a problem never have to let my soil bake. Not tryn to push my ways onto you by any means just some times simple is better if you know what I mean.
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TribalSeeds
Ok, so Im no expert but Im a coco grower. I can see by reading your post that you dont understand coco.
Dont get all emotional and shit cuz it takes awhile to get used to. Im still learning as I go. This time Im doing the seed thing.
When I read that youre using hydroplex and experiencing a P deficiency I know that you are over feeding your plants big time.
After reading your attempted solutions it was clear that you dont know what coco is all about. You never want a dry time and feeding once a week is asking for trouble.
The coco needs to stay stable and moist. You want to keep the feed low because its gonna build up in the medium. Always keep it moist and never let it dry or the ph is gonna be fucked and you will have all kinds of salt issues.
Avoid using pure water with coco.
My apologies, in stating what I have tried, but don't tell me I don't know coco, I understand I am still learning. I have grown from seed, and now have 2 mum to clone from. I have read every post, comment, and thread I can find online about coco. That's why I am posting so please don't speak to me like I am an asshole, cause I am stuck. I have tried every thing I have read. Thank you for the comments, I have thought about over feeding I have ran low ppm 450-500 and everything in between 1200ppm. I run 1200 through my mums on a regular basis every other day and they love it. My issues come about when I flip my clones to flower. Oh that 1200 includes my nutes water and superthrive, also a humic acid addition that has beneficials which they get once a week. Cal/Mag is also included in that PPM. I can't seem to find a happy medium with PBP. I guess what I am looking for is someones feeding schedule from rooted clones to end of flower.
Dude we aren't trying to hassle you man just trying to point you in the RIGHT direction. Your putting all that stuff in there mixing hydro and organic into a hydro medium. your burning them up with all that stuff. the mutations that are leaves are signs of over feeding so if your only feeding once in a while that means your medium is packed, especially if its not a pest issue. no one is busting your B***S we are tryn to help. first thing is learn how to take constructive criticism, you will get more help that way. Where did you get the info to put all that stuff into coco and bake it ect? I mean I used to add some EWC myself for seedlings before I feed, but that was it. If you want something simple K.I.S.S. maxibloom at 7g/gal with 5ml/gal cal/mag and some silicate for coco thats it check out some of the plants in my thread thats all I use from the second set of leaves till 2 to 3 weeks before flush except for 1/4 tsp. of powder koolbloom to said maxi mix for the last 6 days of feed before the flush. Proof is in the pudding brother and I have plenty of pudding so to speak.
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DocCrow
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Dude, build a ppk. What type of setup are you running? SOG, Scrog, Trees, Vert? The PPK with coco, and cheap, simple J.Peters Jack's Hydro nutes cannot be beat my friend! So simple, even my wife can do it, and she can kill ANYTHING. Once you set the system up, you just need to refill the bulk res once a week or so, and any pruning/ training. Check my Mini Sog out. Shoot me a Pm if you want man and I will sketch something up for ya that would fit your needs.
My PPK set up is pretty easy to fallow and to get your head around if that is an option you will not regret it. easy like the old commercial set it and for get it , that easy just top off every once in a while D9 is doing some wonderful things over there in his hundreds of pages of documented grows. Like I said before man some times simple is better.
Thank You very much, that was something I was looking for. I am just testy I have lost 4 plants in 2 weeks and that's never happened to me before. I don't think I am changing nutes, last option. I am going to flush and back everything off for now. Just PBP CAL/Mag as needed, nothing else. And I will re pot the ones I have still in Coco. I added the meals to help slow release Calcium and Nitrogen. If I don't need it, I can go back to a normal mix.
DocCrow
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Hotbox and tribal are 100% correct. Coco is a hydroponic medium, You cannot amend it with organic nutes, and cook it like it is soil. You have to feed (lighly) every time you water, and ensure the medium does not dry out. It is preferred my many as it is very stable P.H. wise (unlike rockwool) and it buffers better than any other hydropinic medium. I feed Jack's nutes, and Highly recommend them. They are CHEAP too. (like 60 bucks for 10 lbs, and I feed a half a tsp per gallon of water). good luck man, and if you are interested in the PPK hit me up and I will help you out.
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cyber echo
Been growing in coco for a while and its a VERY easy medium to grow in and get great results in. Just need to treat it right.
First, start off with a good nute line for your coco. Get Atami Bcuzz a+b or Canna coco a+b. Atami is cheaper and goes a long way but lacks fulvic&humic acids, but I've had great results with it. Also start with good coco . Atami's coco is the one I use and I prefer it over canna's to be honest. I tried a few other brands and didn't like the texture or spongyness. Use straight coco, or lightly amend with perlite. Don't use too much as your coco will lose pH buffering power and get drier faster. 2 Gal pots work perfect for me btw.
If you want some kelp/organics use seasol that is safe and good (and cheap). Rhizotonic for roots is GREAT but expensive. You don't need much else. I usually never have to add cal/mag or any amendments. Skip pk13/14, or use it VERY sparingly (one week max and not daily). Trust me you don't need to buy 12 bottles to grow good like some companies want you to believe..
Don't let your pots dry out like you would with a soil grow. Don't keep them sagging wet all the time but water them as soon as they feel light to lift but still looking generally humid. The reason is that your ph and EC will spike and possibly stress the plants and roots. You want some good healthy runoff with every watering to keep the medium fresh and not accumulate salts and generally let pH drift somewhere unhealthy.
DO get a PH and EC meter. And invest in good ones not the cheapo chinese that will break down after 6 months use, then you have to buy another. Use ECs of 0.8 to 1.8 depending on how hungry your plants are, but most will do fine at EC 1.4 throughout flower and less in veg ~1.2. I like to run my seedlings/cuttings at 0.6-0.8 and bump it to 1.0-1.2 as soon as they look like they can take it. As for PH feed at 5.5-5.9 always.
If the coco you are using isn't precharged with mg/cal you might need to add a little to your rez mix, but not too much, as too much will lockout and be worse than having a def.
Good luck !
First, start off with a good nute line for your coco. Get Atami Bcuzz a+b or Canna coco a+b. Atami is cheaper and goes a long way but lacks fulvic&humic acids, but I've had great results with it. Also start with good coco . Atami's coco is the one I use and I prefer it over canna's to be honest. I tried a few other brands and didn't like the texture or spongyness. Use straight coco, or lightly amend with perlite. Don't use too much as your coco will lose pH buffering power and get drier faster. 2 Gal pots work perfect for me btw.
If you want some kelp/organics use seasol that is safe and good (and cheap). Rhizotonic for roots is GREAT but expensive. You don't need much else. I usually never have to add cal/mag or any amendments. Skip pk13/14, or use it VERY sparingly (one week max and not daily). Trust me you don't need to buy 12 bottles to grow good like some companies want you to believe..
Don't let your pots dry out like you would with a soil grow. Don't keep them sagging wet all the time but water them as soon as they feel light to lift but still looking generally humid. The reason is that your ph and EC will spike and possibly stress the plants and roots. You want some good healthy runoff with every watering to keep the medium fresh and not accumulate salts and generally let pH drift somewhere unhealthy.
DO get a PH and EC meter. And invest in good ones not the cheapo chinese that will break down after 6 months use, then you have to buy another. Use ECs of 0.8 to 1.8 depending on how hungry your plants are, but most will do fine at EC 1.4 throughout flower and less in veg ~1.2. I like to run my seedlings/cuttings at 0.6-0.8 and bump it to 1.0-1.2 as soon as they look like they can take it. As for PH feed at 5.5-5.9 always.
If the coco you are using isn't precharged with mg/cal you might need to add a little to your rez mix, but not too much, as too much will lockout and be worse than having a def.
Good luck !
But coco retains cal I believe so thats why a lot of peeps supplement cal/mag into their coco because until the coco reaches its intake of the mineral it takes it away from the plant and gives it a deff.. The silicate is more of a ph up buffer for me I would rather add something that benefits the plant If I have to add something and protek silicate is a great benefit for a plant
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cyber echo
Proper coco nutes will have extra cal in them to combat this property of coco. 
Kelp based products (rhizotonic, seasol) are highly alkaline and work as a great safe alternative to ph+ btw.
Silicate is also a good one but I'd think twice about pumping my plants with silicates all the time if I wanna use it as a regular ph+.
Kelp based products (rhizotonic, seasol) are highly alkaline and work as a great safe alternative to ph+ btw.
Silicate is also a good one but I'd think twice about pumping my plants with silicates all the time if I wanna use it as a regular ph+.
Some good ideas floating around in my head now, but I don't know PPK term is. Also, I like the rain water idea. I have been wanting to get a rain collection system going for my veggi garden to store water. I was think 2 55 gal. drums and bury them in the ground, and have the run off from my roof gutters collect it, and run through some kind of filter, then drop a sump pump in the drums to pull water out for use or connect to sprayers in my garden. I have really like coco, the first few attempts I got good results, I guess I just over complicated things the past few months. I was trying to grow shrubs, and keep them small and bushy. I have done a scrog. BTW I have a Pro-Gro 180watt LED light system from hydroponics hut for my flower, and I use CFL's for my mums and rooted clones.
My grow boxes are located in my "Man Cave" a detached building from my house. It's insulated, but needs new windows. I am going to make a closet for that building this spring. That will solve my evironmental issues as a far as temps go. It will be it's own AC/Heat, ventalation, and filter system. 4x8x8. I am getting a new tent, with dual chambers that's 3x3x7. So I don't have to have 2 grow boxes anymore. Also Light tight room/closet. What size of pots are recomended. I only flower atmost 3 plants at most. Micro grows.
