Noobin it up

[DHF]

Only 1 solution without the real estate my buddy.........Shut the fuck down durin summertime and gain some perspective...

It ain`t gonna kill yas ta take some time for yourself and chill till outside environment`s more conducive for optimum conditions..Just save up.......

Grow enoughta pay the bills and then make sure there`s enough overstock in the freezer till yas can skate through a couple months blisterin heat , clean everything up , and get backta work.......

All about dialage and whatever it takes ta maintain your sanity.....so.....Good luck and holler if we can help.....

Peace....DHF............

 

[hotboxes]

Only 1 solution without the real estate my buddy.........Shut the fuck down durin summertime and gain some perspective...

It ain`t gonna kill yas ta take some time for yourself and chill till outside environment`s more conducive for optimum conditions..Just save up.......

Grow enoughta pay the bills and then make sure there`s enough overstock in the freezer till yas can skate through a couple months blisterin heat , clean everything up , and get backta work.......

All about dialage and whatever it takes ta maintain your sanity.....so.....Good luck and holler if we can help.....

Peace....DHF............

wow I said pretty much the same thing in his other thread

 

[Mister_D]

Dave i'll take your old school sativas over any of the new elites all day long. Don't get me wrong the elites are great, but 99% of em don't hold a candle (at least in quailty of high) to a well done old school sativa IMO . There's a reason i'm sitting on 50+ haze beans and few thousand from old school mexican lines I grabbed from the shaman while I was on my spirit quest. Could just as easily be sitting on a few thousand Og whatever seeds. Or I could just hop in my car and head down the street for cheap cuttings of almost any elite you can name. Point being you already have access to genes that are capable of producing "elite" quality plants. I know for a fact that they are already being grown down under, and if you don't have the right connections, seedbay/boo are only a click away.

 

[spaceboy]

Congrats on your spiritual quest MisterD I hope to take part in my own quest someday. Actually last night it became a priority of mine and then I saw your post, so i wanted to share.

Way to pay credit where credit is due Dave!

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

I gotta say there is something for having a toke, sitting down, then holding on to your chair for dear god as it takes off into space

Its not for everyone of course.

 

[village green]

I gotta say there is something for having a toke, sitting down, then holding on to your chair for dear god as it takes off into space

Its not for everyone of course.

Dave
Have you read some of the smoke reports for Zamaldelica? They are on the Ace forum. I get high as a kite just reading them

 

[bobblehead]

Why don't you use an a/c dave? Just wondering...

 

[BldSwtTrs]

Why don't you use an a/c dave? Just wondering...

Same...

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

Why don't you use an a/c dave? Just wondering...

its a really good question.

- the room is cramped as is and there is no way I could physically get one in without disassembling everything first. I mean clean out the whole room.

- I have no idea how to install one, and legally you have to have a licenced electrician install them. That being said I do a lot of electricity stuff about the house that im not supposed to, and I could learn how to install easily enough I assume.

- im trying to keep electricity usage reasonably low so that people don't come knocking to ask why I have a regular power surge every day at the same time that lasts for 12 hours as regular as clockwork. Power is expensive here and getting worse.

- my understanding is that one of the essential things needed for a good plants health is fresh air and fresh air flow. Running an air con just to push the cool air out into the roof cavity seems like a waste to me. Having said that heaps of other people seem to get around this so I guess there must be a way. Again I should get researching.

- this reason is pretty pathetic, but ive been trying to keep my house modifications / changes / damage to a minimum so that if I do stop growing there isn't too much to do to clean up. Ive pulled the carpet up and ive cut a hole in the ceiling for exhaust air flow, but that's about it. Ive managed to fuck up the ceiling light somehow too at some point ....

but really this summer has shown me that getting an air con in over summer is more beneficial to me than putting in more lights / ballasts to increase growth. So its getting to the point where I might just spring for one and do it properly. Its crossed my mind more than once, and all the above problems have easy solutions. And then I would have heating in winter too, as it gets very near freezing in the cold months. Ive had pots full of coco that are all but frozen in the centre.

 

[Mister_D]

its a really good question.

- the room is cramped as is and there is no way I could physically get one in without disassembling everything first. I mean clean out the whole room.

- I have no idea how to install one, and legally you have to have a licenced electrician install them. That being said I do a lot of electricity stuff about the house that im not supposed to, and I could learn how to install easily enough I assume.

- im trying to keep electricity usage reasonably low so that people don't come knocking to ask why I have a regular power surge every day at the same time that lasts for 12 hours as regular as clockwork. Power is expensive here and getting worse.

- my understanding is that one of the essential things needed for a good plants health is fresh air and fresh air flow. Running an air con just to push the cool air out into the roof cavity seems like a waste to me. Having said that heaps of other people seem to get around this so I guess there must be a way. Again I should get researching.

- this reason is pretty pathetic, but ive been trying to keep my house modifications / changes / damage to a minimum so that if I do stop growing there isn't too much to do to clean up. Ive pulled the carpet up and ive cut a hole in the ceiling for exhaust air flow, but that's about it. Ive managed to fuck up the ceiling light somehow too at some point ....

but really this summer has shown me that getting an air con in over summer is more beneficial to me than putting in more lights / ballasts to increase growth. So its getting to the point where I might just spring for one and do it properly. Its crossed my mind more than once, and all the above problems have easy solutions. And then I would have heating in winter too, as it gets very near freezing in the cold months. Ive had pots full of coco that are all but frozen in the centre.

I assume because you need to install the a/c they don't sell window mounted units? No matter really, if you want to install a mini split it's really quite simple. There is a two part tutorial in my redemption thread that explains the process step by step. If you decide to go this route, and have any questions, I can answer them . Oh and if you install a mini split you can seal your room (no intake or exhaust). This requires you add some form of co2 (many cheap ways to go about this, probably have everything you need in the kitchen). The reason for plants wanting "fresh air" is because they absorb co2. You can replenish co2 by intake/exhaust (fresh air) or sealed with a mini split and added co2. Search for "sealed room" or if you want the science level stuff search for "closed enviroment agriculture".

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

Oh and if you install a mini split you can seal your room (no intake or exhaust). This requires you add some form of co2 (many cheap ways to go about this, probably have everything you need in the kitchen). The reason for plants wanting "fresh air" is because they absorb co2. You can replenish co2 by intake/exhaust (fresh air) or sealed with a mini split and added co2. Search for "sealed room" or if you want the science level stuff search for "closed enviroment agriculture".

Can I get away with 2 tents inside a room with the tents recycling air at a decent rate of knots into the room, but the room being sealed and airconditioned? I guess this is a bit like the lung room that DHF talks about. Im not overly excited about serious CO2 equipment to be honest. Suddenly things get a lot more complex than "just whack in an aircon"

EDIT : the thread with how to install an air con is pages 17-18
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=227567&page=17

I cant see myself trying to cut holes in double brick, I just don't have that sort of equipment.

 

[Mister_D]

Can I get away with 2 tents inside a room with the tents recycling air at a decent rate of knots into the room, but the room being sealed and airconditioned? I guess this is a bit like the lung room that DHF talks about. Im not overly excited about serious CO2 equipment to be honest. Suddenly things get a lot more complex than "just whack in an aircon"

That would absolutely work, and in basic function is the lung room freds is always refering to. As far as serious co2 equipment, all you'd need for your small space is a few empty milk jugs/similar container, sugar, yeast (like you bake bread with), and water . Like I said you probably have everything you need in the kitchen.

 

[bobblehead]

You can have the A/C sitting in your lung room, and vent the heat our with your exhaust however you're doing that... It would go scrubber -> exhaust fan -> custom a/c box that you're gonna build around the back -> heat out to wherever you're venting... You're just gonna have to get creative. The A/C can be mounted up high and kept out of the way... but you need to bring your intake temps down.

I don't run sealed rooms... Constant exhaust... CO2 is optional if you can deal with the added heat from a sealed room.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

You can have the A/C sitting in your lung room, and vent the heat our with your exhaust however you're doing that... It would go scrubber -> exhaust fan -> custom a/c box that you're gonna build around the back -> heat out to wherever you're venting... You're just gonna have to get creative. The A/C can be mounted up high and kept out of the way... but you need to bring your intake temps down.

I don't run sealed rooms... Constant exhaust... CO2 is optional if you can deal with the added heat from a sealed room.

bear with me cause this is all new to me. You run an air con (or heater) without a sealed room, exhausting all the air out of the room? doesn't that cost a fortune in heating/cooling?

 

[RM - aquagrower]

bear with me cause this is all new to me. You run an air con (or heater) without a sealed room, exhausting all the air out of the room? doesn't that cost a fortune in heating/cooling?

What he's saying is that since you've got 2 tents in one room, ya put a carbon filter/fan combo in each tent. Send this air into the room that the tents are in. Aquire a window shaker AC, and build a custom box around it and sent the (AC) exhaust thru the hole ya already cut thru the ceiling.

 

[bobblehead]

bear with me cause this is all new to me. You run an air con (or heater) without a sealed room, exhausting all the air out of the room? doesn't that cost a fortune in heating/cooling?

here's the deal dude... If you have a sealed room, and you are constantly inputting energy, there is nowhere for that energy (heat) to go... So it will just turn into an oven. By constantly exchanging the air, you are still bringing down the temperature. Because of this, you can use a smaller a/c to bring temperatures down to an acceptable 85F. No need to go lower than that. If you choose to go sealed, then you're going to need a bigger a/c, a commercial dehuey (which I have 2 of anyway), a CO2 generator or tanks and regulators/controllers to do it right... D says you can use yeast... IDK about that, I have no experience there so I won't comment.

So yes, you're gonna have to exhaust cooled air... but it you do it right, it won't be cool when you exhaust it, just cooler than it would be if you weren't getting your environment under control.

You can do like DHF suggested, and shut down for a couple months... or bite the bullet and pay for the a/c and electric. IDK where your interests are... For me, it's worth it to get my intake temperatures down to 70F so that my room temps don't get above 85F. This hobby isn't cheap... but neither are my meds.

 

[RM - aquagrower]

The room your tents are in becomes your "lung room" Control the envronment in the lung room, and you are gold.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

What he's saying is that since you've got 2 tents in one room, ya put a carbon filter/fan combo in each tent. Send this air into the room that the tents are in. Aquire a window shaker AC, and build a custom box around it and sent the (AC) exhaust thru the hole ya already cut thru the ceiling.

here's the deal dude... If you have a sealed room, and you are constantly inputting energy, there is nowhere for that energy (heat) to go... So it will just turn into an oven. By constantly exchanging the air, you are still bringing down the temperature. Because of this, you can use a smaller a/c to bring temperatures down to an acceptable 85F. No need to go lower than that. If you choose to go sealed, then you're going to need a bigger a/c, a commercial dehuey (which I have 2 of anyway), a CO2 generator or tanks and regulators/controllers to do it right... D says you can use yeast... IDK about that, I have no experience there so I won't comment.

So yes, you're gonna have to exhaust cooled air... but it you do it right, it won't be cool when you exhaust it, just cooler than it would be if you weren't getting your environment under control.

You can do like DHF suggested, and shut down for a couple months... or bite the bullet and pay for the a/c and electric. IDK where your interests are... For me, it's worth it to get my intake temperatures down to 70F so that my room temps don't get above 85F. This hobby isn't cheap... but neither are my meds.

I think these 2 ideas are slightly different, and both equally valid.

firstly RM suggests instead of cutting thru the double brick I can make a fake wall and stick the aircon on that in the middle of the room. I just have to catch the heat it makes on the back end and drag that out of the room.

secondly bobble is saying you can exhaust air con air with a small system and just take the hit of going that way or you can go the whole hog and go sealed and pay the price to reap the rewards.

im developing a plan here ... bear with me yet still.

I have tent A and tent B in a room.
The both have fans to exhaust the air between tents and the rest of the room (lung room)
I have an air con on a wood frame in the middle of the room (say a split for simplicity sake
the "outside" portion of the split is in its own sealed housing with a third exhaust fan taking that heated air out of the room via the exhaust already in the room
possibly I could rig it so that the tent exhaust goes via the sealed "outside" aircon section in a 2 stage process ...

this is sounding like something I could really play with myself
I still have to work on sealed rooms or exhaust aircon air, altho if the aircon is small and the heat is large the exhaust air will still be "hot" rather than cool and good to get rid of ....

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

and more pictures of my wall of weed in progress : 4.5 weeks in flower

 

[silver hawaiian]