winterizing BHO

[Gray Wolf]

ps anyone got any ideas how long it would take to separate fats/wax at that temp?
TS

We use 48 hours at -18C/0F, but filter out some wax when we wash out the extraction pot with hot EtOh and the mixture cools down to ambient, even before going in the freezer.

I've left some in the freezer for several weeks, and it didn't appear to extract any more wax, it all just ended up settling to the bottom of the container.

 

[IG420]

Do YOU know, Canadians can make stills also,.....( ps everclear is 190 proof) so keep saving your $ and good ideas. yaah I gunna put a jar wrapped in foil outside its -25celcius here tonight without wind chill ,have fun crawlin round in your freezers ,..... lol yah u got it midwest the freezer is outside, u dont even know how many times at partys seen people leave their booze in "fridge" too long ,... lol
TS

Who makes "good/safe" stills in canada?

 

[teemu shalanie]

My ol man has a still he has used to make shine for years , ,..... I know many who have made still to make their own booze , bout as common as knowing someone who grows weed ,..
TS

 

[IG420]

My ol man has a still he has used to make shine for years , ,..... I know many who have made still to make their own booze , bout as common as knowing someone who grows weed ,..
TS

haha yeah right man I put ads out on craigslist, talked to numerous sources of copper sheets... thought about doing it myself but I barely have the time to distill the mash let alone build the still. My last ad I was going to offer up to 500$ for someone to make me a real nice still. If you know of anyone let me know.

 

[gunnaknow]

You would need a reflux or fractionating still to produce >95% volume. Do a search online for the bokakob 2 mini-still column, to see a guide on how to construct your own mini-still. If you were going to use ethanol to do the primary extraction then I'd say that it is worth making your own ethanol but if it's just to redissolve BHO then you need so little that it's not really worth constructing a reflux still. In such a case, it would be alot simpler to buy a liter of 95% ethanol and recapture it during the purge, with a condenser.

 

[gunnaknow]

Here's some good reading for you. Although typing "bokakob 2 mini-still column" into a search engine will produce a thread on how to build it.

http://wiki.homedistiller.org/index.php/Boka_Reflux_Still_-_How_To_Build

 

[noreason]

We use 48 hours at -18C/0F, but filter out some wax when we wash out the extraction pot with hot EtOh and the mixture cools down to ambient, even before going in the freezer.

I've left some in the freezer for several weeks, and it didn't appear to extract any more wax, it all just ended up settling to the bottom of the container.

GW have you ever compared winterization results between 48 h. and less?

I can see suspension in the winterizing etOH solution just after some hours. Does it increase overtime till a certain point?
Anyone had tried out to establish the min. time for winterizing like filtering fats out and put back in the freezer to winterize?

 

[Gray Wolf]

I also heartily recommend Designing and Building Automatic Stills, by Riku, and The Compleat Distiller, by Nixon and McCaw

 

[gunnaknow]

GW have you ever compared winterization results between 48 h. and less?

I can see suspension in the winterizing etOH solution just after some hours. Does it increase overtime till a certain point?
Anyone had tried out to establish the min. time for winterizing like filtering fats out and put back in the freezer to winterize?

I don't think that GW saw your question because the timestamp on his last post suggests that he was writing at the same time as you. I'd be happy to offer you some advice in light of this coincidence, although it would be courteous to leave it up to GW to answer your specific questions. I've read many scientific papers on the subject over the last few years and the typical duration of refrigeration has ranged from 24 to 72 hours. This is the reason why I originally recommended that the alcohol be chilled for atleast 24 hours. If you have the time it is better to go for 48 hours, although 72 hours is likely to test some people's patience and for little additional benefit. I hope that this was helpful.

gunna

 

[Gray Wolf]

GW have you ever compared winterization results between 48 h. and less?

I can see suspension in the winterizing etOH solution just after some hours. Does it increase overtime till a certain point?
Anyone had tried out to establish the min. time for winterizing like filtering fats out and put back in the freezer to winterize?

We experimented with times, which is how we ended up with 48hrs, but didn't do a finely controlled study.

What we did find, is that solution filtered after 24 and put back in the freezer, often had more waxes coagulate in the next 24 hours, but that solutions filtered after 48 hours, seldom did.

The magic time could easily be 34 hours and 27 minutes, as we only did it by days.

 

[gunnaknow]

It looked like you had missed his post for a minute there, GW. Maybe my reply helped to flag it for you? Anyhow, you've supplied some excellent answers, as always.

The magic time could easily be 34 hours and 27 minutes, as we only did it by days.

I calculate that 34 hours, 27 minutes and 16 seconds is the best time.

 

[Gray Wolf]

It looked like you had missed his post for a minute there, GW. Maybe my reply helped to flag it for you? Anyhow, you've supplied some excellent answers, as always.



I calculate that 34 hours, 27 minutes and 16 seconds is the best time.

Actually I did miss his post and your reply did help draw my attention to it. Thanks for the heads up!

PS: Is that at sea level?

 

[gunnaknow]

Good question, GW. I had actually calculated it based on an altitude of 70,000 feet, for all those U-2 test pilots among us.

 

[teemu shalanie]

I just have to clarify the method I am going to use , make sure its what I want to be doin ,.....
1.disolve bho in min. amount of 190 proof Everclear.

2. leave outside (its -43 celcius with wind chill tonight) 24- 36 hrs

3. filter cold mix through coffee filter, remove fats.

4. vacuum purge the mix, no heat ,....

, that sound good 2 u guys , does it vacuum purge off pretty quick wish me luck think I Hesitating :0
TS

 

[Gray Wolf]

Too long a soak with ethanol. You might consider a QWET technique instead.

Ethanol is polar and won't extract many non polar waxes.

 

[noreason]

I don't think that GW saw your question because the timestamp on his last post suggests that he was writing at the same time as you. I'd be happy to offer you some advice in light of this coincidence, although it would be courteous to leave it up to GW to answer your specific questions. I've read many scientific papers on the subject over the last few years and the typical duration of refrigeration has ranged from 24 to 72 hours. This is the reason why I originally recommended that the alcohol be chilled for atleast 24 hours. If you have the time it is better to go for 48 hours, although 72 hours is likely to test some people's patience and for little additional benefit. I hope that this was helpful.

gunna

We experimented with times, which is how we ended up with 48hrs, but didn't do a finely controlled study.

What we did find, is that solution filtered after 24 and put back in the freezer, often had more waxes coagulate in the next 24 hours, but that solutions filtered after 48 hours, seldom did.

The magic time could easily be 34 hours and 27 minutes, as we only did it by days.

Thanks both of you dudes! Just scratched some nice amber after a 12 hours winterization. For sure 12 hours are enough to collect good amount of waste (this waste seems to hydrate the skin very fast btw..) and finish with a smooth amber, but next time I'll give it a full 48 hours.

 

[teemu shalanie]

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Too long a soak with ethanol. You might consider a QWET technique instead.

Ethanol is polar and won't extract many non polar waxes.

so how long would u soak for then ? I am just talking bout disolving the bho in ethonol , then leaving it outside , then filtering out fats after a appropriate amount time , please specify ,thnx
TS

 

[Gray Wolf]

so how long would u soak for then ? I am just talking bout disolving the bho in ethonol , then leaving it outside , then filtering out fats after a appropriate amount time , please specify ,thnx
TS

I would use 20 to 30 seconds and the procedure outlined in:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=200660&highlight=QWET

 

[teemu shalanie]

GW I think there is a mis-communicaton , I want to winterize my BHO not do a QWET extraction ,.... getting confused a bit ,hmmmmmmm'TS

 

[trichrider]

had me freaking going too...