old soil did i do this rite?

[joe guy]

Ok so ive had this ffof about 6 to 8 gallons worth sittin in a ice chest for a rainy day per say... It was used for a full round using roots soul syn line plus moab with very lil if any flush so what i did was put them in 5 gallon smarties and ran super hot water thru them in the bbath tub for a bout 20 minutes twice to kill any unwanted bugs or what ever may have entered the ice chest while it was sitting there for awhile now... And ran another 5 gallons of flora clean to remove any salts that may have been left over... So im confident its clean... Now heres my question... Is this essentialy a soil-less media now? The guano and ewc should be all used up and or washed away by now rite? I kinda wanted to try this aptus base pellets pack i got for a sample and either use the dutch master additives i also got as a sample i belive its the whole line for grow and bloom except for a base... Or stick with the roots soul syn additive line....

Will this work? Or another thing i have is roots uprising line the grow foundation and bloom... Sorry if im not makin sence so much shit to use and i pulled a few so yeh.... Mainly is this soil a blank slate and what nutes should i use with it? I wana experment with this shit....

 

[canna woop!]

Any chemicals added to the soil (MOAB, ROOT SYN, DUTCH MASTER, ETC) will have long break down times, especially the granular type (if they are slow release granular fertilizer). How long depends on what else you add, if more of the same stuff or if you cease chem's and only add humus, or plant based foods. this makes a difference for the quality of your soil when it's ready for planting you should be able to drop the seeds and germinate directly in it.

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

This is the Organic Forum dude. Have a mod post this up somewhere else...you'll get a better response.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Ok so ive had this ffof about 6 to 8 gallons worth sittin in a ice chest for a rainy day per say... It was used for a full round using roots soul syn line plus moab with very lil if any flush so what i did was put them in 5 gallon smarties and ran super hot water thru them in the bbath tub for a bout 20 minutes twice to kill any unwanted bugs or what ever may have entered the ice chest while it was sitting there for awhile now... And ran another 5 gallons of flora clean to remove any salts that may have been left over... So im confident its clean...

K, but did you test run-off EC, just to be sure? Seems to me that the Florakleen was a little bit of overkill, but there it is.

Now heres my question... Is this essentialy a soil-less media now? The guano and ewc should be all used up and or washed away by now rite?

Doubtful, but then I didn't actually see what you did, what may or may not have been washed out or away.

I kinda wanted to try this aptus base pellets pack i got for a sample and either use the dutch master additives i also got as a sample i belive its the whole line for grow and bloom except for a base... Or stick with the roots soul syn additive line....

Will this work? Or another thing i have is roots uprising line the grow foundation and bloom... Sorry if im not makin sence so much shit to use and i pulled a few so yeh.... Mainly is this soil a blank slate and what nutes should i use with it? I wana experment with this shit....

Since you're posting in the organic soil forum, I'll suggest you try going organic and moving away from these expensive chemical salt-based nutrients. And, since you're in the organic soil forum, you came to the right place to start learning how to do it.

I would reintroduce some guano and worm castings immediately, along with some microbial life. You won't be able to culture mycorrhizae as they only live in the presence of plant roots, but other microbes don't have that requirement. I would also use various rock dusts including Azomite for future grows, because you *can* continually reuse that soil, especially if you work towards building it up instead of breaking it down.

Make sense?

 

[bigshrimp]

The minimum time for pasteurization is two hours at least 165 degrees. 180 is better. As your protein (nitrogen) increases pasteurization times go up likewise.

Not saying your going to get any benefit from doing so, infact i think you would be harming your soil.

 

[joe guy]

This is the Organic Forum dude. Have a mod post this up somewhere else...you'll get a better response.

Well there smart guy if u took the time. To not only read but to understand its ffof organic last I checked and the last nutrient line I mentioned was roots ORGANICS uprising that's the powder certain incase u didn't know...
And who better to ask how to remove chem based additives than organic cats.... So unless u have something informitive to share gtf outa my thread.. I'm asking a legit question unless u have knowledge to drop keep walkin tough guy.. I will not tolorate kids in an adult forum I have plenty of kids at home

 

[joe guy]

Yes miss actually mrs Madain thank you very much for the actual information.. But yeah agreed the florakleen may have been overkill but I figured I did use alot of chem based everything so I figured better safe than

So are you or anyone else familiar with the uprising line?
I'm not to sure if I need to let it cook or if planting directly would be ok..

 

[SeaMaiden]

Sorry joe, I know nothing about that line of nutrients. Too cheap! I have used this stuff purchased through eBay, recommended by another online friend many years ago and it was incredibly easy to use, no fuck-ups possible with this stuff--Blue Mountain Organics Super Plant Tonic. Now, I stopped using it because they only sell quart sizes and when the growing gets scaled up, products like that get scaled out. But for something bottled that's super easy to use and won't kill your plants, I really like it. It's made by freshly squeezed hippies!

 

[Neo 420]

Well there smart guy if u took the time. To not only read but to understand its ffof organic last I checked and the last nutrient line I mentioned was roots ORGANICS uprising that's the powder certain incase u didn't know...

FFOF is considered junk to most real living soil gardeners. You may find it suits your growing methods but regardless it is JUNK.

And who better to ask how to remove chem based additives than organic cats.... So unless u have something informitive to share gtf outa my thread.. I'm asking a legit question unless u have knowledge to drop keep walkin tough guy.. I will not tolorate kids in an adult forum I have plenty of kids at home

For someone who obviously does not understand living soil to come into the organics section and start making enemies is not productive to your learning here. Ranch gave you good advice. Move this thread else where.
No one here (organic section) does this type of illogical activity.
There's some informative advice for you!!!

 

[joe guy]

guess ill take my junk soil and chem ferts.outa ur crews corner ha ha ha...
And the uprising is organic

 

[RanchoDeluxe]

Well there smart guy if u took the time. To not only read but to understand its ffof organic last I checked and the last nutrient line I mentioned was roots ORGANICS uprising that's the powder certain incase u didn't know...
And who better to ask how to remove chem based additives than organic cats.... So unless u have something informitive to share gtf outa my thread.. I'm asking a legit question unless u have knowledge to drop keep walkin tough guy.. I will not tolorate kids in an adult forum I have plenty of kids at home

So you are gonna waste our precious time because you are trying to salvage ten dollars worth of soil?

I was simply trying to help you get a better response. But since you are so willing to drop insults...let's roll. Roots Organics Uprising is NOT organic...along with at least half the bottles they sell to people like you.

Organic growers are not the ones to ask, because we don't dump nasty chemicals on our soil EVER! Put your bullshit soil in a HazMat container and call it a day.

Oh and hey there grandpa, maybe it's time to pick up a book, read it instead of just looking at the pictures. Hell, you know, it wouldn't hurt to learn how to spell and use a little punctuation once in awhile. You might be able to fool people into thinking you actually have a brain.

RD

 

[xmobotx]

for clarity; you are approaching this from the 'NPK' paradigm in a forum of individuals who approach from the 'feed the soil' paradigm

we avoid bottled/prepared amendments in favor of individual amendments ~particularly plant-based amendments ~our focus is on the micro life and such preparations as renew and feed that micro life {EWC, compost teas, et al}

pre-amended soils and bottled nutes {organic or not} do not fit well w/ the living soil paradigm

 

[ClackamasCootz]

**chuckle**

 

[joe guy]

Rots organic uprising foundation
Derived from
Fish bone meal,oyster shell flour, kelp meal, green sand, soybean meal, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal, feather meal, bat guano langbeinite, and rock phosphate

The bloom admendment is derived from
Fish bonemeal, oyster shell flour, kelp meal, green sand, soy bean meal, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal, feather meal, bat guano, langbeinitre, rock phosphate, and hp flowers, wouldnt think i need any of the growsince i vegin cubes and go straight to 12/12 a week or so in to veg.
Now to me those ingredients seem pretty organic.. Its a powder to be mixed in or top dressed so id say its a water only deal... If thats not organici guess im barkin up the wrong tree.

 

[joe guy]

Thats what it looks like if it helps clear things up and i also have the promix granlar and powder mycos... To add to it...

 

[joe guy]

Incase anyone wants to know the grow consist of
Bat guano, ewc,fish bone meal, kelp meal, greensand, soy bean meal, glacial rock dust, alfalfa meal, dolomite, montmorillonite, composted chicken shit, crab meal, blood meal, and nettle leaf

Sounds pretty organic to me i can open the packages to show yall what it looks like too to see if it looks like everyone elses admendments....

 

[W89]

sounds good mate lots of things in there

 

[SeaMaiden]

for clarity; you are approaching this from the 'NPK' paradigm in a forum of individuals who approach from the 'feed the soil' paradigm

we avoid bottled/prepared amendments in favor of individual amendments ~particularly plant-based amendments ~our focus is on the micro life and such preparations as renew and feed that micro life {EWC, compost teas, et al}

pre-amended soils and bottled nutes {organic or not} do not fit well w/ the living soil paradigm

I personally find this a much more helpful response. I find myself curious what the goals of some of the organic lovers might be. Is it to turn more people onto organics, perhaps getting them to think about everything in their life in a different way? Or is it to get them to march in lockstep with your beliefs, never questioning? Or, is it to turn away anyone who doesn't march in lockstep with your beliefs?

Do you think you're going to convince someone who's trying to move away from chemicals that it can be done by attacking them for having the NERVE to post in this section?

In my opinion one can use pre-bottled nutrients, fertilizers, inoculators, what have you, and still be considered organic. You do not have to do things exactly as outlined in other threads in order to be growing well. You don't have to use only the one method, especially for potted annual plants. Pre-amended soils can work just fine. So can bottled nutrients. Everyone has to be allowed to find their own level of participation on this subject, and you can holler them down but you can't force it down their throats.

Because, let's face it--not a single cannabis grower is going to get that certification that his or her product has been grown 100% in compliance (and that's what these organic people are on about as much as anything else, joe guy, it's as much about rules and laws as anything else) anytime soon. Well... maybe in Colorado and Washington, but I haven't read how that might be incorporated into the rules. Especially NOP rules.

 

[Microbeman]

Because, let's face it--not a single cannabis grower is going to get that certification that his or her product has been grown 100% in compliance (and that's what these organic people are on about as much as anything else, joe guy, it's as much about rules and laws as anything else) anytime soon. Well... maybe in Colorado and Washington, but I haven't read how that might be incorporated into the rules. Especially NOP rules.

I actually believe there are some cannabis growers whose methods and produce could be certified organic. I know that at one time, we fit into that zone.

From my own point of view I figure 'who needs it?'. I'd rather grow uber-organically than certified organic. In my experience when we had a certified farm there were some restrictions which seemed unreasonable, including prohibiting harrowing horse, deer and elk droppings over our fields from which we harvested hay and medicinal herbs....ridiculous!

As far as the use of packaged soil mixes, my philosophy is, if you already have them, use them. They will eventually be incorporated into a living soil as time goes by. Just begin a learning curve towards mixing other matter and aggregate material into it. When forming a new mix, take a new cheaper more simple approach towards more natural inputs and techniques.

On the same curve is the use of ACT, botanical teas, fermentations, etc. Most of the information is available or referenced in this forum.
You can grow a quality crop without all of these. Just logically take on what suits you (your lifestyle)

When we mix soil, we purchase almost everything required at the livestock/hardware store and source other ingredients locally for free or cheap. eg. sphagnum peatmoss, topsoil, [vermi]compost, sand, pea gravel, bentonite, soft rock phosphate, kelpmeal. Some can create their own compost or vermicompost. There is even room for a wormbin in an apartment.

Where there are horses, one can often find free nicely aged/composted manure. Sometimes there is a pile which has been sitting for a year or more. Especially if full of worms, it does not get a lot better.

I've grown a very nice crop using topsoil, coarse sand and composted horse manure...nothing else.

On the bottled nutrients, not many are much good but if you have some in your cupboard which are not comprised of harmful ingredients, why not use them up as you transist to growing naturally (if that is the goal).

 

[ijim]

Personally I do not consider kelp and peat mixtures soil. But are great building blocks for soil. Old composted or deteriorated peat loses its aeration ability and will turn to muck and deter good root growth. Pasteurizing it I feel will only expedite its breakdown. I would screen it to remove any unwanted critters and larva. And then mix it with fresh soil and compost. I have reused peat based products. And after five more months of use have ended up with a poor environment for good root growth. The air type pots may help in such a situation though.