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its only a plant, it should be legal to us all right??

CANNABEST

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I sure we do but that person doesn't for sure. The bigger picture is the government has no say what we put in out body. If a person burns a house down while intoxicated then they get arson charges. it desnt matter if he was sober or not. there is no where in U.S. law where it says arson is cool if you're all fucked up.

I saw the war in drug crap, Im not disagreeing with your opinion. if you think all drugs should be legal, then good for you.
 

CANNABEST

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LOL! you're a pretty clueless young fella...

you can't grow coca plants in cali even if it were legal.

coca plants need a very specific climate to produce its alkaloids. high altitude tropical latitudes and specific soil conditions.

if not, you get shitty plants with very low to zero alkaloid content.

FlowerFarmer, I agree, this young fella's ignorance is indeed disturbing.

I know you cant grow that shit in the US. I was just throwing a place out there that is the closest climate like south America in the states.
and yes its different than weed plants, it takes years to produce, mature, and only a little amount. I was using this as a metaphor
 

purple_man

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high cannabest! ya know it's like with weapons... basicaly in countries with strict weapon laws, the homicides get carried out with other tools (blades, bats, pipes, ...), same rule applies to drugs. in that case a weapon or drug on it's own don't create no harm, it's their users/abusers who turn it into harmful things. plus, if the populace is deprived of certain substances, it creates a black market (like during alc prohibition) OR even worse (in my opinion), folks find substitutes, like research chemicals, amphetamines, cathinones, ... which create an even bigger havoc

hence stigmatizing and prosecuting never really solved any form of behavioral dysfunction, whether it's murder, drugs, rape, tax fraud, drunk driving, ...

only way to solve that kind of problems, is education/prevention and a whole new approach towards, instilling the right ratio-values of individualism vs community mentality to the future generations

blessss
ps.: all stated above is just my personal point of view :)
 

HOPS5K

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Yes..and YES...cannabis should be available to all human beings on planet earth...no matter what...you know when you're old enough to use it..use your own discretion.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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high cannabest! ya know it's like with weapons... basicaly in countries with strict weapon laws, the homicides get carried out with other tools (blades, bats, pipes, ...),

I would so much rather be shot in the head than stabbed or beaten to death. lol
 

siftedunity

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I sure we do but that person doesn't for sure. The bigger picture is the government has no say what we put in out body. If a person burns a house down while intoxicated then they get arson charges. it desnt matter if he was sober or not. there is no where in U.S. law where it says arson is cool if you're all fucked up.


i think your missing the point.. if your house burnt down and your family killed, it would be because they were high.. the same person (having not had access to drugs because they had been made illegal) may not have burnt it down all all.
its just a loose example.

anyway the government doesnt tell me what i can put in my body.. illegal or not!

i couldnt give a fuck what they say!!

btw everyone seems to think only refined cocaine is dangerous but locals chew the leaves fresh all day.. and trust be they get high off that too.
all im saying is its not practical.. if drugs were legal imagine how many crack/ meth/heroine addicts would be living off the state through benefits/welfare etc... the money just isnt there to support them.. that money would come out of our pockets etc. the knock on effects would be endless.
 
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entheogen

The problem is capitalism and more specifically global capitalism. It has no conscience. Personal responsibility is a bs argument capitalists use to abdicate themselves from the actual responsibility they should feel for their immoral and unethical actions. To steal from the great Terrance McKenna, these people are dominators. If we had to be accountable to our brothers and sisters on a more intimate level we would not see as much self-destructive/violent behavior simply because we would not want to see our "family" in pain. Dominators manufacture and distribute hard drugs, violent machinery and weapons, pain and heartbreak. We need more love for one another...less dominator culture:>)
 
Yes any drug should be legal. Prohibition causes more problems than it solves. Drugs are still available and people still use, people of less than reputable character are making bank, nonviolent drug users who may otherwise cause no harm to society are made into criminals.
 

yortbogey

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noyd666

making anything illegal seems to make it more desirable, for those that want ,laws are about as useless as tits on a bull, seems to me we have proved that time and time again,ilike black market.
 
I like this picture. It is up to the person to be responsible for their actions. Saying "drugs made me burn down a house" doesn't cut it. Like Sartre said, all our actions are free and we are ultimately responsible for them. You should be aware of possible effects of drugs on yourself before taking them. If you kill someone while drunk driving it is your fault that you put yourself in that situation and not the fault of the substance.
 

lost in a sea

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plants are plants, all should be free to grow and if people live in such a sick environment that they use plants to kill themselves then all power to them because it isnt the plant or the person at fault its the sick system they live in that is to blame and they would destroy themselves one way or another imo..

the illegal ones are some of our oldest friends and we go back together for millenia..

if people cant help but self terminate(parts of themselves) by alcohol, cigarettes, food, drugs, sex,, then imo there is a deeper lacking within society for something more meaningful and natural, culture, morals, dignity, honor, common sense etc etc.. a cry for help from caged animals, denied their path and destiny/true potential..
 
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Hash Zeppelin

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making anything illegal seems to make it more desirable, for those that want ,laws are about as useless as tits on a bull, seems to me we have proved that time and time again,ilike black market.

but imagine the danger and challenge a person must conquer to feel up those bull titties.
 
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noyd666

worked on farms hash as a young tacker, not going anywhere near lol bulls titts.
 

CANNABEST

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alright, seems like everyone definitely has their own view. im not saying that drugs/guns is bad, kill people etc. It is the individual that abusive drugs and use guns to kill others. there is no way we can stop the world from drugs or ban all guns, there will always be a black market to supply.
I was just really wanted everyones opinion on coca plants. lol
 

PhenoMenal

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I can cut off a branch of just about any tree, club you over the head with it, and with that one strike kill you ... on the otherhand I'd struggle to kill you by bitchslapping you with a cannabis plant (and you'd probably stop the fight by suggesting we both chill and smoke a few bowls, which of course i could not refuse).

So, the maths make it quite simple ... legalise cannabis, but WE MUST OUTLAW TREES.
 

sprinkl

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That's just sad, isn't it? Especially knowing that some average gunloving brainwashed joe would make such pics.
Guns are legal and sold to the masses because it's a very profitable business. Not because they protect people, it's pretty obvious they do more harm than good.
If you could make guns yourselves it would be illegal to have them.
Same with drugs. No way you're going to grow your own weed and smoke it legally without paying any taxes. That would be freedom! But most stoners are at the point that they would gladly accept paying taxes to grow and smoke their own. How crazy is that.
Drug cartels and the big players behind it don't get busted. Sure, a lot of dope gets confiscated but what % would it be of the total sum? And how many of the important persons get locked up due to such busts?

I like this picture. It is up to the person to be responsible for their actions. Saying "drugs made me burn down a house" doesn't cut it. Like Sartre said, all our actions are free and we are ultimately responsible for them. You should be aware of possible effects of drugs on yourself before taking them. If you kill someone while drunk driving it is your fault that you put yourself in that situation and not the fault of the substance.

That is true, but on the other hand we are fed with the spoon since birth that violence is a normal part of humans. The news, movies, popculture, everything is pouring out violence. It may be part of our nature, but slaughtering whole countries with advanced weaponry designed to kill off people as efficiently as possible is something very evil men have made us believe or tried to make us believe is part of our nature too, hell it's essential to our wellbeing that we slaughter pretty much everyone else!
 

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