Micronutrient Mix Recommendations for DIY Nute Mixing

[longwaters]

Your plants look fine, but why not source the micros without the NaCl?

If I followed your plan I would have to add 240g (over 1/2 a pound) of
sea-90 in my 40gal res. 240x.85= 204g pure NaCl

You say cannabis must be salt tolerant, but that implies in itself that it's not good for the
plant. Otherwise you would have said salt loving.

And does cannabis even really utilize all '90' of those micros? Or do they just take up space on the nutrient profile?

I have tried many other micronutrient sources and sea salt works by far the best, despite all the NaCl.

In depth botanical studies do not exist to tell us how much NaCl cannabis prefers, but until then, those who have tried it can judge from their experience.

Watch some of the videos I linked or do some research and the idea of remineralization will become clear. In short, the 90 elements in the sea are there because of runoff from the land. Furthermore life evolved from the sea, so logically the elements present were in the correct proportions to sustain that life.

 

[Kcar]

I did watch the videos, and they seemed shoddy and unprofessional.

Upon looking at the Sea-90 website I see that some of those 90 'minerals' are
things like Mercury, Arsenic, Uranium, Lead, Cesium, and other poisons.

Are you saying the cannabis that we ingest should be fed these things?

 

[longwaters]

Yes, in very small amounts. Is that not the definition of "trace element?"

I mentioned how all of the elements in the sea are in the correct proportion for life. What this implies is that any elements coming in will participate out of solution if they're too conentrated because sea water is totally saturated with dissolved solids and can't hold any more. So concentration of toxic elements isn't much of a problem in the ocean. Uneccesary elements simply sink to the bottom where over time they are assimilated back into the system with all the biological activity down there.

The videos may seem unprofessional since there is hardly any funding or even research going into these projects because of people like you who refuse to see the truth.

 

[Kcar]

I mentioned how all of the elements in the sea are in the correct proportion for life.

Whose life? Not mine, or that of a cannabis plant if dropped in the middle. Also, the oceans of today are very different from those millions of years ago, when life emerged.

What this implies is that any elements coming in will precipitate out of solution if they're too concentrated because sea water is totally saturated with dissolved solids and can't hold any more.

This statement is completely untrue. You can dissolve much more in seawater than is there already. Think of Great Salt Lake or The Dead Sea.

Unnecessary elements simply sink to the bottom where over time they are assimilated back into the system with all the biological activity down there.

Who determines what is necessary?

people like you who refuse to see the truth.

The Truth is exactly what I am seeking and you seem to be obfuscating with psudoscientific rhetoric.

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, lacks supporting evidence or plausibility,
cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.[1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, contradictory, exaggerated or unprovable
claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic
processes to rationally develop theories.

 

[shaggyballs]

http://mbferts.com/Individual-Micro-Fertilizers-Micro-Elements-Micro-Nutrients_c58.htm

chelated are the best

this place is ultra cheap

telll him ya know shaggyballs maybe he will throw in some free samples.

 

[longwaters]

Thank you Kcar for helping me realize that the results I have seen were all in my head. I knew something was amiss when I started saving tremendous amounts of money and growing better bud than I thought possible. Now I know that the salt I've been using was harming my plants all along, and that I am quite obviously crazy.

 

[Kcar]

Thank you Kcar for helping me realize that the results I have seen were all in my head. I knew something was amiss when I started saving tremendous amounts of money and growing better bud than I thought possible. Now I know that the salt I've been using was harming my plants all along, and that I am quite obviously crazy.

Good. Glad I could help. Seriously, though, have you tried your current set-up without the NaCl? You might be surprised.

 

[Kcar]

http://mbferts.com/Individual-Micro-Fertilizers-Micro-Elements-Micro-Nutrients_c58.htm

chelated are the best

this place is ultra cheap

telll him ya know shaggyballs maybe he will throw in some free samples.

Like their choices, but that website could use some help.

I like www.customhydronutrients.com

 

[longwaters]

Good. Glad I could help. Seriously, though, have you tried your current set-up without the NaCl? You might be surprised.

Sea salt without NaCl? I have tried Yellow Bottle sea minerals which has most of the NaCl removed. I had reduced yields and needed to use more N-P-K to keep them happy. It seems they really are salt loving plants afterall.

I will do a side by side when I have a proper area to grow more than meets my need. Maybe do 4 groups of 4 clones; one group with sea salt, one group with Yellow Bottle Sea Minerals, one group with STEM, and one group with table salt.

 

[Kcar]

Nice. I also realize that cannabis may have a reaction to NaCl that is desirable. I live about four blocks from the Pacific, so I may have to try a few things also.

 

[BasementBreeder]

I just wanted to help by sharing my experience with the sea salt. My plants have been much healthier since using it instead of a trace mix. As the gentlemen explain in the videos I linked to above, pests are no longer a problem when plants get proper nutrition. I eliminated an extremely pesticide resistant spider mite population within a month of using it. I haven't had NaCl toxicity or even tip burn and I've been able to lower N-P-K by 66% percent which makes the product burn much cleaner. Yield has improved 50%, partly because of faster veg times and the potency has increased greatly as well as flavor complexity and smell. This stuff really does work, and I have seen nothing but astounding results in a year of using it.

Found another video - Late season Hydroponic Tomatoes on Sea Salt Steroids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiSmZI4-Aqg

Do you happen to know the elemental ppm of your nutrient solution? I'm curious what this 66% decrease equates to...

 

[longwaters]

I'm not sure since I don't have a TDS meter, but I would estimate 400 - 500 ppm NPK and 1500 ppm sea minerals.

 

[habeeb]

I'm going to put yield aside...

I'm not going to deny trace elements, but when I look at things like seaweeds / azomite ( clays ) I'm not seeing healthier / robust / amazing things

also, where does this leave us with coconut fiber that has salts

 

[BasementBreeder]

I'm not sure since I don't have a TDS meter, but I would estimate 400 - 500 ppm NPK and 1500 ppm sea minerals.

TDS is just an estimation. I want the actual levels of each element you're using(ie, my elemental N-P-K is 100-40-110)

You can find this by knowing the dilution rate and percent concentration of each element in your nutrients.

What do you use to provide the NPK? I believe I saw you use Jacks. Which specific one do you use?

 

[longwaters]

I use 5-12-26 with calcium nitrate, so a third of that would be:
50N - 16P - 71K

I also use epsom salt and potassium silicate, but I don't know how to calculate their ppm.

 

[BasementBreeder]

I use 5-12-26 with calcium nitrate, so a third of that would be:
50N - 16P - 71K

I also use epsom salt and potassium silicate, but I don't know how to calculate their ppm.

You grew those plants(in the other pic) with only 50 ppm N the entire grow?! I'm very intrigued and impressed.

Can you post more details of your grow? Lighting, temp, medium, humidity, etc...

btw, epsom salt gives [FONT=&quot]~35 S, 26 Mg[/FONT] at 1 g/gal.

 

[longwaters]

You grew those plants(in the other pic) with only 50 ppm N the entire grow?! I'm very intrigued and impressed.

Can you post more details of your grow? Lighting, temp, medium, humidity, etc...

btw, epsom salt gives [FONT=&quot]~35 S, 26 Mg[/FONT] at 1 g/gal.

Thanks for the info on epsom salt, that's about how much I use.

Lighting comes from a 1000 watt Sunpulse 4k metal halide, temps have been from 66 to 74 and in the 50s at night. Humidity builds up to 50% before the thermostat briefly switches on air exchange from outside, then humidity drops to 20%. Medium is 2/3 coco and 1/3 perlite in 7# smart pots hand watered with no run off. Hoping for 6 oz plants, but lack of air exchange seems to be holding them back quite a bit.