Evo & Diamond Series by Eshine Questions

[bombadil.360]

hello everyone!

so far, imo, the most appealing led panels I've seen have been the Evo90 and the Diamond Series.

however, as many of you know, these same models have been offered by eshine systems, and not only by evoled in Spain and advanced in the case of the ds.

I've read claims that state that eshine is the source producer for these two lamps, and that the companies from which we first heard of these lamps do not hold an exclusive contract for the marketing of these lamps so eshine sells them as well, and a lot cheaper.

are these the facts?

has anyone bought an ds from advanced and one from eshine to compare? or an evo90 from Spain and one from eshine?

thank you

peace!

 

[Phychotron]

here's what Advanced has to say about it... http://blog.advancedledlights.com/uncategorized/eshine-systems-led-buyer-beware/

here's what eshine says...
http://www.eshinesystems.com/declaration.html

I wouldn't risk buying an eshine expecting it to be good quality... The evo design is good but they don't work right apparently.

 

[medmaker420]

contact the companies and just ask them and see what they tell you. Much easier than 3rd hand answers here. I took pics of the inside of an "eshine" in my grow thread, not sure if there are pics of the advanced inside etc on here but odds are it would be easy to see if they are similar, exact or totally different.

I have had solid results with the flower panels, had one issue with a veg panel from eshine but got replacement drivers pretty damn fast through growblu to fix that issue. I have heard of driver / wire issues with all companies so not sure if that is a deciding factor for myself personally.

I have 12 led panels and they are from 4+ companies and I have been happy with all of them. I guess I need to get a "brand name" panel and see how they compare with the panels I currently have. Either way though all the panels I am running are custom spectra so overall it might not be an apples/apples comparison but then again I think the thing most are focused on here is if the panel will last, if leds will go out or if it is made cheaply.

I can say that eshine panels are built like tanks, they are damn nice to look at but I haven't personally held and looked over an advanced panel either SO until I do that I still can't offer a real comparison and review.

I will say that there are a TON of chevy vs ford types of growers here who only think ONE BRAND works and the rest don't... Do your own research and locate multiple grows before you dismiss the so called knock offs.

 

[habeeb]

isn't evo shutdown? can't find there website for a while now?

honestly, if you want a style like evo, which I did think they were nice..

build one, you can keep upgrading it, will be alot more powerful, and you can keep the heatsink to re-use..

I thought the evo led was a great looking lamp, until I built one myself, and now I have a brighter, better, and actually working light.

I would not buy a lamp anymore that you cannot switch out the LED, as we know, the tech is moving fast, and what you buy will be old in a year, and cheaper to produce.. leaving you with a panel that can't move no where expect the storage box later..

I think everyone should adopt LED, it's the future of lighting, and super great for veg, flowering we need a little more tweaking, but were getting there, and you might as well jump on board right now and get familiar with it, as it's here to stay, and in 5 years, your gonna see everyone ditching throw away bulbs ( floro / MH / HPS / CMH )

I know people are gonna cringe, but after dealing with alot of people, HGL has been a pleasure to work with, had a couple led go out on a cluster, they sent out another one to replace, also there here to stay, whether people like it or not, they also keep moving and making progress, I really don't care if that's motivated by $ or passion at the end of the day, as very few people are wanting to really advance this technology for pot growers, they have the drive to go out a find a supplier and sell lamps, no one I know on here can say that, so I will give credit where it's deserved, as they are making LED lamps a common place in the lighting market..

now it's up to you to either follow your intuition or solve it by logic.. either way I hope you come on board, as LED users are happy to have more see the 'light'

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

have someone on here open up an eshine "ds" an someone else open up a advanced DS an look at the guts that make the led what it is. That will show you whats what.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

lol like china has never copied anything.....

 

[bombadil.360]

thank you guys for replying

so I exchanged emails with a rep from eshine.
he told me all their led lamps currently use american made leds as well as 'diamond lenses', even their aquarium lights.

habeeb, apparently eshine was the supplier to gud, if u want an evo, gotta order at least 30 units for them to make them, with any specifications u may want in them.
and you're right, gud is out of sight... good thing I never took his offer to pre-order his new evo, eh?

now the pricing for the ds by eshine is not cheap at all, the lamp I am interested in is 390 usd! only a hundred bucks cheaper or so than from advanced.

they also explain well that even though the leds r 3w, they r not driven at 3w, but much more like 1.5w per led... so a lamp with 200 leds will consume 300w as opposed 600w.

I would order one or two of their lamps, but shipping, customs and vat all added together makes for a really expensive light...

I'd build one if I knew how to, maybe I'll set up an hour aside everyday to study the matter?

peace

 

[2tone2g]

I am going to just bite the bullet on one of these eshine panels in the next couple weeks here. I am either going with one 400x3w or 2 - 150x3w. The two units gives me more coverage, and I may be able to keep them closer to a non uniform canopy easier as well. This is my first time, so if one fails, I have nothing to fall back on if I have just one 400x3w unit and it happens to fail on me. Anyone have any advice on lens angle? I am thinking 60 degs as 30 would sacrifice coverage area and 90 would sacrifice intensity... Any thoughts?

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

i got advanced led's extreme flower 180w model an it had free shipping. If it busts i send it in the US, If you order from china how muxh is that gonna cost to ship back or wait for new parts......

 

[medmaker420]

whatever you do don't forget to research spectrum when buying led panels.

 

[bombadil.360]

if I were in the U.S then ordering from advanced would make sense, cheap shipping plus no import nor added value tax. however, the fact that they changed to a smaller chinese manufacturer for lower bulk prices makes me a bit uneasy... how can a smaller manufacturer offer cheaper bulk prices? sacrficing their profit margins or components? I dunno...

here in Israel u can only find shitty looking led panels and they cost a fortune, all chinese made.. the mark up is impressive, 300-400%! insane.

better to pay for shipping, customs and vat for a greater quality lamp and it still comes out cheaper than buying the shit toy-looking crap they wanna sell u at the hydro shops.

medmaker, is there a thread discussing proper spectrums for our favorite plant? thanks!

peace!

 

[medmaker420]

if I were in the U.S then ordering from advanced would make sense, cheap shipping plus no import nor added value tax. however, the fact that they changed to a smaller chinese manufacturer for lower bulk prices makes me a bit uneasy... how can a smaller manufacturer offer cheaper bulk prices? sacrficing their profit margins or components? I dunno...

here in Israel u can only find shitty looking led panels and they cost a fortune, all chinese made.. the mark up is impressive, 300-400%! insane.

better to pay for shipping, customs and vat for a greater quality lamp and it still comes out cheaper than buying the shit toy-looking crap they wanna sell u at the hydro shops.

medmaker, is there a thread discussing proper spectrums for our favorite plant? thanks!

peace!

On the spectrum, there is a TON of spectrum data right in this " led grow light" sub forum brother. From veg options, early, mid and late flower as well as many who are focused on testing ww and nw and others who are looking into uv options among others.

There is actually YEARS of led research here and on a couple other forums ( some were taking down sadly ) BUT here at icmag there are still plenty of older techs and data that is always fun to browse specifically about leds, diy leds and thoughts and opinions about what works best for our girls.

Have you actually tested any of these so called shitty looking chinese panels before? What brand did you try that caused so many issues for you? I have tested a couple, bysens, apollos, eshines and even mayers and like most things issues can arise but with the 12 panels I currently run I have only had a problem with one and it ended up being a lose wire connection even though I thought it was a dead driver ( and was shipped 4 drivers to make up for the issue anyways ).

I say run what you brung and I find it funny that with EVERYTHING ELSE someone buys it is ok for it to come from china BESIDES leds... Why is that again? And where have all of our magnetic and digi ballasts been coming from? What about most of the grow supplies themselves. I think 9 out of 10 items in most homes IS from china so I still find it funny once again that still within forums the one "china" item everyone gripes at is the leds and leave everything else china made alone.

I really want to see the insides of advanced and other so called name brand models and see how non chinese the parts really are.

One great way to solve this is by getting warehouse pics from the companies themselves. For companies that actually build the panels it should be easy for them to show the machinery that gets the job done. I wonder if advanced or any other company who claims to be NON chinese can actually show their led panels being built whether in video or pic form? That could solve a ton of the head scratching that seems to surround this topic.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

damn! Israel huh...thats a tough one.

 

[bombadil.360]

thank you medmaker, I'm gonna start browsing all threads in here looking for info on proper spectrums.

on the toy-looking led lamps I've seen out here, the casing is plastic to begin with, and the leds are old, 1w stuff... say a panel with 300 1w leds with plastic casing the hydroshops r asking for 3500 shekels more or less, that, a few bucks from 1000 dollars! They may be good lights, who knows, I've not tried them, but at that price count me out as a potential buyer, u know?

Arthritis, it's a beautiful country here, tons of awesome people, but is expensive.

peace!

 

[2tone2g]

I agree with medmaker420, show me one person in the United States that doesn't use products from china on a daily basis. My iphone was built in china wasn't it? Never had an issue with quality of any iPhone since gen 1. Just because something is made in a particular place, doesn't mean it's any fair indication of the quality of the product. I have browsed these forums for information regarding spectrum, and it appears to be mostly opinions. I wish I knew somebody who grew with eshine before. Their panels aren't cheap, and I'd hate to spend $850 on a light than grows loose stringy buds....

 

[Phychotron]

Its not the products from china that are the problem, it is the LED market that is not very well regulated and it leaves a lot of imitations and cheap knock offs. iPhone is most likely made in some sort of state of the art factory, compared to an LED which could be put together in the back of a truck.

 

[tenthirty]

You might consider making your own????

How is Israel these days.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

thank you medmaker, I'm gonna start browsing all threads in here looking for info on proper spectrums.

on the toy-looking led lamps I've seen out here, the casing is plastic to begin with, and the leds are old, 1w stuff... say a panel with 300 1w leds with plastic casing the hydroshops r asking for 3500 shekels more or less, that, a few bucks from 1000 dollars! They may be good lights, who knows, I've not tried them, but at that price count me out as a potential buyer, u know?

Arthritis, it's a beautiful country here, tons of awesome people, but is expensive.

peace!

Beautiful country indeed my canna brother.

 

[hempfield]

Hey guys, do you know what are the most written three words in the world ?

Made in China

Just a funny story: a few years ago I traveled to US (NY and SFO) and in my last day in NY I went into a souvenir shop to buy something (as every tourist does). I personally admire the colors of the US flag so when I saw a big one (enough to cover an entire bedroom wall ) I took it from the shelf and went to pay for it and when I turned it to look for the price a big label hit me directly between my eyes: Made in China. Suddenly those beautiful flag became just a piece of colored artificial silk and nothing more.

But, when it comes about LEDs, the most important aspect is the light intensity and spectrum. Many cheap LEDs are made in China with foreign technology, but this is not our business. I personally don't care if a LED is made - or should I say assembled (and when I say assembled I'm talking about individual LEDs which are made with chips produced on US, Taiwan, etc) as long I get what I pay for, and this is the main reason I never bought a LED panel but instead build several.

Reading all this threads related to LEDs an idea was born on my mind, something similar to LED Grow Results: Grams per Watt thread : what if we start, organize and maintain a thread only with DIY LED lights, with full specs and maybe construction details , together with their proven results ?

Maybe in this way we can define our own standards of LED lights, staying away from brands and astronomical unjustified prices, helping others to get more with less.

Peace !

 

[oneshot]

My last grow was using an eShine 126x3w. The light was good but I wouldn't buy again.