Smoking weed while pregnant?

[Tom Hill]

stop measuring one thing at a time. this is a complex issue. If you were carrying my baby, I'd be much more concerned with your education on breathing, not what happened in between. all folk thinking they have answers to these types of questions have lost their way, plain n simple. I'll point my fingers at women, not for this, for things that actually matter.

 

[headband 707]

All you guys saying "I know plenty of kids who came out fine and their moms smoked they are amazing brilliant kids", can you attribute this to the weed? That is one of the worst arguments I've seen in this thread.

I know a girl that smoked her whole pregnancy and her kid has ADD and can't talk normal, he's 6 now, still can't talk. Was it the weed? IDK. Bet if she could go back she wouldn't smoke, just in case...

I seen a bunch of youtube videos of pregnant chicks skydiving. Most were fine. Not too long ago a newly pregnant lady wanted to do one more jump when she found out she was pregnant then vowed never to jump again. Guess what. SPLAT.

Someone mentioned their are cannabinoid receptors in the brain. Our brains have many receptors, there is some for cocaine too, would you suggest doing some lines for low energy or sluggishness while pregnant? Just a couple here and there should be fine... If it helps her get out of bed. Maybe a bump of meth here and there?
Shitloads or science done by real scientists who say it has negative affects, you can find some who say it has none.

Bottom line for me, you don't have any 100% proof that says it is good for the baby, jut anecdotal stories. Why risk it? Maybe you are a gambling type? *shrugs*

PPL do I far worse service to kids after they are born and how they are brought up in this world These are really the things you need to worry about. Plus the whole ADD story can't be attached to cannabis no matter how hard you try LOL stay safe and have fun headband 707

 

[SeaMaiden]

All you guys saying "I know plenty of kids who came out fine and their moms smoked they are amazing brilliant kids", can you attribute this to the weed? That is one of the worst arguments I've seen in this thread.

I know a girl that smoked her whole pregnancy and her kid has ADD and can't talk normal, he's 6 now, still can't talk. Was it the weed? IDK. Bet if she could go back she wouldn't smoke, just in case...

ADD alone won't 'cause' non-verbalization, there's a co-morbidity occurring there and if that gal hasn't gotten it sorted out yet, I feel sorry for them all, they'll have a very tough row to hoe. I'd be willing to bet that kid may be Dx'd as having an autism disorder on down the road, if he hasn't already. Non-verbalization by age 6 would be highly suggestive.

 

[Tom Hill]

mine is 7, non-verbal and the opposite of neurotypical. Hard to jump to conclusions, slightly offended by anybodies sorrow or sympathies. You've all had the opportunity to say something, yey you haven't much, to be sure... rather watch my kid stim out and drop rocks into a bucket. for all I know he's doing highly complex mathematical calculations.

 

[Tonygreen]

I wasn't saying that to suggest the weed did it. I did not say I thought the weed did it. LOL.
But my example is just as valid as saying I know women who smoke everyday and their kids are just fine. It's an anecdotal story not fact or science. Period. Do you see what I mean? I'm expected to accept the stories of all the genius babies the weed smokers created, but if I have a story that says a mom smoked and her kid isn't fine then I'm out of line? Neither story is science or fact, thus a poor argument to either end.

@Hydro None? That's a major embellishment, Now you are just talking man... You can find just as many noting possibly negative side effects... You can ignore them if you want, I like looking at both sides. None?...

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...a=X&ei=RCTeUJWQA8eCrAH1toC4AQ&ved=0CC0QgQMwAA

In conclusion, do what you think is best for your kids but neither side can pretend to know the answer definitively. That is just silly.

 

[Can420]

There was a article in a mag called Treating Yourself. Probably the best mag out there for medi users, it comes from the UK so sometimes a pain to find. They do have a website with older articles on the site. Anyways they did one on smoking during a pregnancy, and if I remember correctly it wasnt that bad for the unborn child. DONT quote me, since im not a female and not pregnant. And if it was my choice vapo...

 

[Tonygreen]

The developing brain of a fetus is quite different than an adult brain.

Of course I admit my mistake there are NO studies showing cannabis smoke could possibly have any negative affects in anyway....

By the very nature of the query I doubt you will ever EVER see a woman come out and say she thinks smokin weed fucked up her kid. If they thought it did they would be ashamed at the thought and worried about a family services case being opened...lol.

By some of the logic being posted I would assume if you found your 5 year old blazin up it's cool, he's on his way to genius.

There is no evidence 100% either way! My opinion is if you don't know for sure why risk it?
I'm not conspiracy theorist enough to think any study done that says there might be a risk or negative effect is bullshit nor ignorant enough to think that all the studies that say there are no risks are true.

Anyway enough of this! Sorry if I pissed any of you guys off.

 

[headband 707]

There was a article in a mag called Treating Yourself. Probably the best mag out there for medi users, it comes from the UK so sometimes a pain to find. They do have a website with older articles on the site. Anyways they did one on smoking during a pregnancy, and if I remember correctly it wasnt that bad for the unborn child. DONT quote me, since im not a female and not pregnant. And if it was my choice vapo...

Firstly Enstein did not talk till he was 5 and until that time they thought he had a brain dysfuntion so not talking isn't your clue that there is somthing wrong.
Secondly Treating yourself Mag is done by Marco Renda who does this mag out of Toronto not the UK and yes it's one of the better cannabis mag out there. Tank Marco,,
I would imagine that smoking anything during preg is not the greatest idea due to lower birthweight. i don't believe that most of the info out there is at all true because they have never found any evidence to support their claims or they would have been all over that one..lol. So I don't recommend this but I don't condem either .. Plus that part from Tonygreen talking about a five year old smoking up lol..Well I am pretty sure they go on and on about teenagers smoking and this screws with their development lol.. I don't know, I smoked at 13 and I'm all good ,,,atleast in my brain lol headband 707

 

[ClearBarbedFunk]

21 pages and were still tryin to put forth excuses to why its ok to toke while pregnant??????

im a guy, so for sure i would never tell a women how to conduct her life, seems to me its pretty easy to come to a conclusion without any study, especially as a women carrying a child, you dont do anything that may harm your child, smokin pot cant be good for a fetus, just as its really not good for anyone to toke up. pretty basic, your smoking.

cannabis causes psycosis in teens, its proven, now not all teens, and its a very small percentage, just like any other prescribed drug some individuals may have side effects, some very bad.

so not every pregnancy will have complications from a women tokein during pregnancy, but there is that small percentage that will.

so you as a perspective parent, are you willing to play the odds with your childs health.

pretty obvious to me

 

[Banefoul]

Melanie Dreher, who is the dean of nursing at Rush Medical Center in Chicago, did a study in Jamaica. It was actually published in the American Journal of Pediatrics in 1994, but now it’s re-circulating because of all the interest in the neuroprotective properties.

Basically, she studied women during their entire pregnancy, and then studied the babies about a year after birth. And what she studied was a group of women who did smoke cannabis during pregnancy and those who didn’t. She expected to see a difference in the babies as far as birth weight and neuro tests, but there was no difference whatsoever. The differences that the researchers did notice, that are unexplained and kind of curious are that the babies of the women who had smoked cannabis — and we’re talking about daily use during their pregnancy — socialized more quickly, made eye contact more quickly and were easier to engage.

We don’t know why this is so, but all the old saws of smoking during pregnancy will result in low birth weight did not show up — at least in the Jamaican study. In U.S. studies where we’ve seen a similar investigation, women have concurrently been abusing alcohol and other drugs as well.

The 30-day test showed that children of ganja-using mothers were superior to children of non-ganja mothers in two ways: the children had better organization and modulation of sleeping and waking, and they were less prone to stress-related anxiety. (Melanie Dreher’s studies were funded by Patients Out of Time.)

The editors of Patients for Medical Cannabis were in attendance at the final hearing of the Iowa Pharmacy Board’s review of medical marijuana, where Dr. Melanie Dreher presented the results of her studies with “ganja babies” over the phone. (You can read her testimony on the second page here.) She has been studying the medical uses of ganja, as it’s called in Jamaica, for 30 years.

A quotation from Dreher’s testimony – “You know, people ask me all the time whether I think marijuana should be legalized, and I have been of the opinion for a long time that this is much ado about nothing. It is, compared to tobacco and alcohol, this is such a benign substance.

“It does not seem to make a difference in either the productivity of the people in Jamaica… it seems to make no difference in terms of exposure during pregnancy …We looked at these children again at age five, both groups of children, and could find absolutely nothing that linked their development with their exposure during pregnancy.

“I …would strongly support the decriminalization of cannabis, and now that we understand about the endocannabinoid system that this is documented, it’s researched… now that we have knowledge of why cannabis is good medicine, something that Jamaicans have known for years, I think it’s time to seriously revisit this product, to understand and be able to dispense it as medicine legally and to decriminalize the other uses of marijuana.”

No signs of birth defects

A landmark study conducted in the 1990s by medical anthropologist Dr. Dreher, (co-author of the book Women and Cannabis: Medicine, Science, and Sociology), gave the medical world a different insight into the use of marijuana by pregnant women in Jamaica. Dreher found that marijuana was being used in a cultural and medical context, as a way to relieve morning sickness or nausea, prevent depression and fatigue, and improve appetites. Her team observed both the mothers who used marijuana and their infants; they reported that there were no signs of birth defects or of behavioral problems in the marijuana-exposed children either during the month after birth or even several years after.

Melanie Dreher, RN, PhD, FAAN explains her cannabis and pregnancy research study in Jamaica. Pregnant women and their children were studied for over ten plus years, both marijuana smokers and non-smokers were included in the study – one of the first scientific studies of the effects that cannabis may have on pregnancy and the child’s development thereafter.

Prenatal Marijuana Exposure and Neonatal Outcomes in Jamaica: An Ethnographic Study

“Although no positive or negative neurobehavioral effects of prenatal exposure were found at 3 days of life using the Brazelton examination,there were significant differences between the exposed and non-exposed neonates at the end of the first month.

Comparing the two groups, the neonates of mothers who used marijuana showed better physiological stability at 1 month and required less examiner facilitation to reach an organized state and become available for social stimulation.

The results of the comparison of neonates of the heavy-marijuana-using mothers and those of the non-using mothers were even more striking…

The heavily exposed neonates were more socially responsive and were more autonomically stable at 30 days than their matched counterparts.
quality of their alertness was higher;
their motor and autonomic systems were more robust;
they were less irritable;
they were less likely to demonstrate any imbalance of tone;
they needed less examiner facilitation to become organized;
they had better self-regulation;
judged to be more rewarding for caregivers than the neonates of non-using mothers at 1 month of age

~~ MORE INFO IN LINK ~~~

http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wo...-cannabis-use-in-pregnancy-dr-melanie-dreher/

 

[Banefoul]

as for cannabis causes a mental problem in teens.. NOT TRUE, if it was true you would then see a increase of mental problems with use of cannabis this is not the case. i am still in shock at the reefermadness some cannabis users still spew.

 

[SeaMaiden]

I wasn't saying that to suggest the weed did it. I did not say I thought the weed did it. LOL.

And I did not interpret you to be saying that it did cause the issue with your friend's son. I was pointing out that if he's non-verbal at age 6, he's got a lot more, and a lot worse going on than just ADD. I know from very, very direct experience. I knew my son was autistic the moment I met him just hours after birth, but he remained undiagnosed until age 12. The intervening years were fucking HELL.

It's one thing to have a kid that's Down's. That child obviously has something wrong with him. But something like autism? Folks often say things like, "You need to smack that kid more!" Complete and total digression? perhaps, but this is a thread as much about mothers as anything else and I have concern for your friend and her son if no other testing or steps have been taken to address his issues. I had my kid in OT by age 5, and you wanna guess what his Dx was at that age? ADD. I knew deep in my heart that something else, something more was wrong with him, but I was dismissed by doctors, told I was being too worrisome. Me? The mother who'll let her kids play in horse shit? climb any wall or tree? walk around naked so they can learn when they pee? Me? too worrisome?

But my example is just as valid as saying I know women who smoke everyday and their kids are just fine. It's an anecdotal story not fact or science. Period. Do you see what I mean? I'm expected to accept the stories of all the genius babies the weed smokers created, but if I have a story that says a mom smoked and her kid isn't fine then I'm out of line? Neither story is science or fact, thus a poor argument to either end.

@Hydro None? That's a major embellishment, Now you are just talking man... You can find just as many noting possibly negative side effects... You can ignore them if you want, I like looking at both sides. None?...

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...a=X&ei=RCTeUJWQA8eCrAH1toC4AQ&ved=0CC0QgQMwAA

In conclusion, do what you think is best for your kids but neither side can pretend to know the answer definitively. That is just silly.

I agree with your last sentiment, but would point out that a huge part of the reason why we don't know is because of the dearth of good studies. I would also point out that if you search just on the negative effects, guess what you're going to find. What if you didn't guide your search to just look for that which supports your argument, and instead left it more open? If you use the terms "negative effects of cannabis" that's what you're going to find. So...? How about you do what you're asking the rest of the community to do and look at both sides? How about just using search terms like, say... 'effects cannabis prenatal' or something like that, let what comes, come?


Now, let's address a reality for many pregnant women, and it was my experience way back when--nausea. Would cannabis be better to stop the constant vomiting than, say, Compazine? I bet it would be better than Phenergan for sure. There are other drugs, these are the two that I know come in suppository form and have experience with. If smoking would have dealt with the vomiting, I may have opted for that. I ended up in the emergency room several times with both pregnancies just because of the vomiting, so that can't be easily dismissed as it can lead to all sorts of bad things if it's not controlled.

How about when emotions run high as pregnancy progresses? I ask about that because of my experience with mothers who developed PPD, and some of the theories behind what may trigger PPD (post-partum depression). Essentially, the mental groundwork may be being laid during the pregnancy. What if cannabinoids gave the mother-to-be the opportunity to see that she does have a support system and is surrounded by people that care about and for her, and then that PPD might be prevented or mitigated?

What if...?

21 pages and were still tryin to put forth excuses to why its ok to toke while pregnant??????

That's not how I'm reading this thread, it's going back and forth and few, if any people seem to have any experience or knowledge in this area.

im a guy, so for sure i would never tell a women how to conduct her life, seems to me its pretty easy to come to a conclusion without any study, especially as a women carrying a child, you dont do anything that may harm your child, smokin pot cant be good for a fetus, just as its really not good for anyone to toke up. pretty basic, your smoking.

cannabis causes psycosis in teens, its proven, now not all teens, and its a very small percentage, just like any other prescribed drug some individuals may have side effects, some very bad.

so not every pregnancy will have complications from a women tokein during pregnancy, but there is that small percentage that will.

so you as a perspective parent, are you willing to play the odds with your childs health.

pretty obvious to me

Oh man... there's so much to address here, I fear I could end up with a two-page post.

It's already known that there are periods during brain development when the human brain is much more susceptible to outside environmental factors. We know quite a bit about what alcohol does to the brain at different ages (study through UCSC is one I recall reading some years ago). The study I read discovered that between the ages of 9-24yo the brain is most susceptible and bears the most damage from alcohol use. They found that drinking before or after those ages does not damage the brain as much as during those years. It may be more of a stretch to make the teenage brain analogous to other ages than we can imagine right now, but considering the hormonal upheaval and changes that occur during those ages, it wouldn't surprise me if it's almost an entirely different beast.

Playing with your child's health may be as simple as what job you have, too. Maybe Mom works in the parts department of an auto dealership. Or she works in an office with a closed air-handling system. Or she works for a printing company, as I did when I was pregnant with my first boy.

 

[dddaver]

"cannabis causes psycosis in teens, its proven"....wait, what? That's not right. If that's what you got from that propaganda bullshit of a "study" that's fine, but please don't be spreading those hearsay, sensational, bullshit lies. Fucking internet is to blame I guess.

Isn't it weird how most "facts" really ARE just opinions?

 

[Builtaforest]

Psychosis 'proven' in teens.

Cannabis 'proven' to have no medical use.

Let's stay consistent on which side the light is on

baf

 

[dagnabit]

there are two problems i see...

I.there really are no real studies of long term effects on children of mothers who consume cannabis during pregnancy. one of the idiocies of prohibition is that it stops real independent research from being done.
given that variable i feel for my own family that without real evidence one way or the other i would not take the risk.

II given that cannabis is illegal and one could lose their children if they test positive. i feel for my own family that it would not be worth the risk.

 

[Banefoul]

Dag scroll....read link long-term is done

 

[dagnabit]

Dag scroll....read link long-term is done

been scrolling since page one..
im talking about real,large scale long term..

you know thousands of subjects over several decades.
using cutting edge neural imaging and whatnot.
i just feel it's not something i would chance on the little info available.
but then again i aint trying and ifin she comes up pregnant after my vasectomy over a decade ago we have more important discussions to have than whether she puffs or no.....

 

[herbwarrior420]

something i have noticed my daughter just had her 8th kid she stopped all drugs cigarettes cafeine weed and took prenatal vitamins #7 was one of my grandaughters my daughter was sick the 1st 7 months of preggo she had a mmj license i made her edibles and tinctures and she smoked a little # 7 and #8 were exact same weight 7 lbs 11ozs they both the largest of all 8 #7 is the smartest and most talented of the 1st 7 (#8 only 2 weeks old so no info yet) #7 is in a private school she be 3 in feb she is in the 4 yr old class doin alot of 5 yr old stuff she amazing i dont see any harm that the thc has done to her seems like it sharpened her brain lovin colorado

 

[aligee]

all six of my sons are canna babies, and all turned out super smart like there dad, best plant on earth!!

 

[Hydro-Soil]

@Hydro None? That's a major embellishment, Now you are just talking man... You can find just as many noting possibly negative side effects... You can ignore them if you want, I like looking at both sides. None?...

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...a=X&ei=RCTeUJWQA8eCrAH1toC4AQ&ved=0CC0QgQMwAA

At first glance that looks impressive... but, have you actually looked at these studies and how they were conducted? Have you looked to see how many of those 45,000 links are to the same studies? What about how many of those are on the same flawed research subject?

I have gone through quite a few 'cannabis' studies... good and bad. I have yet to find one that was 'bad' that didn't have a few large flaws in their conduction. Whether the testing group was biased, often the doctors/researchers are biased, studies based on pure extracts of THC, a lot of 'stretching' in the 'conclusions' and on and on and on.

It's in both the studies that show it's good and the ones that show it's bad... I just haven't found any well set up studies that have shown harm. How many have you personally looked at and studied?



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