What is the biggest stadium that can be seen on the internet?

[Ghostman]

I'll introduce myself more in another post, but for now I'll cut to the chase.

I have a room built off the back of my house that is about as good as it gets for residential commercial growing. It measures approximately 26x13.5, with 9' ceilings. The garage is attached directly to the room for easy loading, and there is a 200 amp breaker box directly on the other side of the wall in the garage. I really couldn't have drawn a better room for my current needs. It even has multiple options for intake/exhaust.

I plan on turning the room into a stadium with maybe 12-14 lights. Basically as many as I can fit. I will be walling off a small area for a "clean room" to keep HPS light from escaping out into my house or into the garage. This will leave me with a grow space of almost exactly 18x13.5.

Here is my dilemma. I have not personally seen any stadium grows larger than 6kw. Is it practical on a larger scale? How can i get the most out of a space that is 18x13.5 with 9 foot ceilings? I had considered double stacking the lights in a stadium. I also thought about tilting the top row of plants.

I would love to hear any input and/or ideas that you guys have. Bonus points for links to large stadium grows. I look forward to getting to know you guys. This is by far my biggest project yet, and I'm going to need plenty of help.

Thanks!

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

wembley stadium is pretty big

http://wembleystadium.com/

merry christmas

 

[Ghostman]

wembley stadium is pretty big

http://wembleystadium.com/

merry christmas

Ah, so that's why people told me to avoid this forum.

I've been on other forums since 2003, and I am now considering going vertical. This place seems to have the most vertical information. I was just hoping that someone could point me in the right direction as far as larger setups that I can examine.

The thread title didn't come out the way I wanted it, and I tried to edit it, but alas, it seems you cannot.

 

[Ghostman]

Why can I not edit my posts at all?

I wanted to add that I am specifically asking why all the mid-large vert grows seem to be trees and coliseums.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Trees are just easy and coliseums are the more efficient use of light then stadiums. Best to have plants on the side of those lamps rather then more lamps.

Skys the limit really.

I'd just duplicate a 6k stadium if you want to run a really long one. Not sure on the stacking lamps, but yield is in the plant numbers. Most I believe dont care for the work/risk associated with increased numbers and would rather do trees.. be them in X formation or long single row plants like delta's PPKs.


JonJaffer's grobro ran a 20' long suspended stadium.. 2 tier and they always got around 2lb per light. This was the days of horizontal lamps in a stadium with batwings bent upwards, but similar concepts none the less. They ran only 3 lights in around 11' of stadium length. We put 4 in that space vertically, but never really got a chance to dial, before just taking the donut tree/mini tree route.

Fill as much space as you can around some bulbs and flip em'.... number of tiers, plants, etc is all relative to your strain/veg time/and methods.. If you wanna pack em look into NorthernFarmers work and duplicate them longer. Or better yet split down and run smaller rooms for easier dialage. Sometimes easier to deal with 2 6k ops then 1 12k when it comes to environmental control and other workloads.



12 to 14 in 18' of space sounds like a lot, but I'm no expert on the point of diminsihing returns when it comes to stadium length and number of bulbs. I'm sure others can chime in.

 

[Ghostman]

I've also considered using multiple methods. For example, a 6kw stadium and then maybe a tree grow or some horizontal DTW action.

Labor and maintenance is a huge thing for me, which is why tree grows seemed most appealing to me at first. However, they don't seem to yield quite as well as other methods. Also, losing a plant or two is a much bigger issue if your plants are over a lb each.

 

[Grizz]

stadiums require alot more work than dounuts, trees, or other methods, you also better be up on your clone game, your dimensions would be ideal if you put a divider wall down the middle, i wouldent recomend a stadium wider than 7ft, preferably 6.5 ft, 1000 watters down the middle with 3 to 4 shelves on each side, 1 gl pots with plants vegged 2 weeks after rooting and into flower, budcicles each producing 1 to 1 1/2 oz. you can see alot of stadiums here with bigger plants and wider rooms but for max production you need high plant numbers , a lot of light and dialed envirment and the right strain

 

[iampolluted]

stadiums require alot more work than dounuts, trees, or other methods, you also better be up on your clone game, your dimensions would be ideal if you put a divider wall down the middle, i wouldent recomend a stadium wider than 7ft, preferably 6.5 ft, 1000 watters down the middle with 3 to 4 shelves on each side, 1 gl pots with plants vegged 2 weeks after rooting and into flower, budcicles each producing 1 to 1 1/2 oz. you can see alot of stadiums here with bigger plants and wider rooms but for max production you need high plant numbers , a lot of light and dialed envirment and the right strain

^^^^that's what i'm doing, or at least trying to anyway. i can get close to 100 in 4 3'x3' racks, with 4 1k's running flipped from 2 ballasts, plus room for 8-10 3'-5' mini trees in between the bulbs. lots of way to run massive numbers going vert. you're only limits are your imagination and the amount of time you want to invest in building and maintaining they system.

 

[Anti]

Why can I not edit my posts at all?

I wanted to add that I am specifically asking why all the mid-large vert grows seem to be trees and coliseums.

Ghost. You don't have enough posts yet.

When you get enough, you'll get the ability to edit posts, but you'll still need a moderator to edit your post titles.

Red Spaghetti was doing some large room stadium and colisseum grows. Try an "advanced search".

 

[megayields]

stadiums require alot more work than dounuts, trees, or other methods, you also better be up on your clone game, your dimensions would be ideal if you put a divider wall down the middle, i wouldent recomend a stadium wider than 7ft, preferably 6.5 ft, 1000 watters down the middle with 3 to 4 shelves on each side, 1 gl pots with plants vegged 2 weeks after rooting and into flower, budcicles each producing 1 to 1 1/2 oz. you can see alot of stadiums here with bigger plants and wider rooms but for max production you need high plant numbers , a lot of light and dialed envirment and the right strain

IMHO Josey speaks the truth, I'm running my 3200kw stadium for the last time......

after this run ...we switch to 1600kw doughnuts!

 

[Ghostman]

I just realized that I made a stoner error here. If the room is 18 feet long, then I can only fit 9ish lights in there, assuming they're 2' apart. What's the consensus on how far apart the bulbs should be?

 

[Anti]

18ftx13.5ft using 600w bulbs

18ftx13.5ft using 600w bulbs

I threw this together real quick to illustrate possibilities.

You could setup 12 weed donuts if you put them all on wheels so that you could move them around and access them all.

You'd get the added bonus that all of the plants would be getting extra light from any light that escaped the surrounding donuts.

This is based on the accepted efficacy of 600w lamps. The circles and square represent 24" from the center of the lamp to the edge of the circle/square.

Just ideas to get ya thinking. Good luck!

600w x 12 = 7200w

 

[Avinash.miles]

Why can I not edit my posts at all?

I wanted to add that I am specifically asking why all the mid-large vert grows seem to be trees and coliseums.

how else do you do vert but by trees or coliseum w large plant count?

as far as your question for the largest.... dunno but check farmhouse cats thread, jbonez, gmax, they seem to have it goin on in vert.... just cruise around and learn here... it does take some time to settle in. watch DHF drop the knowledge, and .\nti is already here so.... you will get your answers.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

I just realized that I made a stoner error here. If the room is 18 feet long, then I can only fit 9ish lights in there, assuming they're 2' apart. What's the consensus on how far apart the bulbs should be?

To answer this question I would get an estimate of the area of your eventual canopy using the dimensions of one side of your stadium. Once you have an estimate for canopy area, a rule of thumb DHF talks about is having 50+ watts per square foot of canopy. Once you figure out how many lights you need, I would just space them evenly along the stadium.

Jut my

 

[DHF]

Welcome Ghostman......Plenty of experienced growers down here in vert-ville and given enough time every 1 of em will express their views and opinions on the way they`d actually run your space with several different setups to choose from......

Buncha up and comers here that are on the verge of breakin records in the not so distant future so stick around and it`ll help yas make the final decision on what`s best for you .......now.....

No offense to any of my `ol growbro`s that rolled with it but never stayed because IME..........Stadium setups are the WORST setups for delivering the gpw`s runnin bare bulbs and I`ll tell yas why......

I`ve never to this day seen anyone approach 1 gpw with the wattage used cuz mostly no one`s ever ran enough watts per sq ft while covering everything that`s not green in reflectix or comparable material to bounce lumens up , down , and all around the rooms with plants at all different depths , heights , and lengths from the bare bulbs hangin......IOW.....

Folks I`ve seen run stadiums expect the bare bulbs to work miracles when at best , sideways penetration for 1K`s is 36" if that , depending on the thickness of the sideways canopy by end of stretch.......so......that said........

If was gonna run stadium setups and had your floor space , first off I`d need a clone factory to pick the best of the best out of 100`s rooted by a couple weeks and every 4 weeks from fully rooted and pre-vegged directly into flip bloom rooms that run 12/12 constantly 24/7/365 for max return on investment.....but.....

Takes a solid mom/clone/pre-veg area dialed to the tits to provide said mega cuts that`ll all root similarly and grow the same plant structure similarly to provide the optimum sideways canopy that`ll allow each level of plants to be all they can be after the backs are hacked out and yas only get 1/2 a plant per container by end of cycle......unless.....

Yas `re ready for a buncha larfy ass bullshit that`s good for something I guess.........and hey......I`m not tryin ta come off all critical and know-it-all-ish , but I`ve been a part of and or seen every thread on every public weedsite there ever was and several at invite only sites on stadiums.........

I just tryta help folks max out their shit , and you`ve got plenty of room ta run some flip rooms and stagger your Harvey`s like I did so it`s not so much ta deal with all at 1 time when shit gets chopped and hung.......

A man`s gotta know his limitations , and stadium setups as well as Coli setups require clone factories guaranteed.....Many waysta skin a mule Bro......

Good luck and plenty of help down here ta get yas headed in the right direction......

Peace......DHF............

 

[Ghostman]

I'm starting to lean more towards a tree or mini-tree style grow now, or even a regular old horizontal setup like my last run.

I also considered a "library grow". There would be shelves around the perimeter of the room, and then a shelf in the middle running longways. The bare bulbs would be hung in between and stacked.

 

[Grizz]

i cant remember what northern farmer averaged for yields but his stadium is what inspired me to run one, also as dhf said 36in is about max for side penitration so thats why i said room width 6.5 ft max, i do belive with pots side by side on 3 shelves on both sides of lights spaced 2in above each row of pots and short plants you can get 1gram per watt, with you size of grow room. flip/flop rooms would be easy but as i said and dhf said there will have to be a nice veg area and a professional clone operation cause clones are the backbone of a stadium. also mono cropping said strain is a given. as everyone knows to get that many clones you will have to keep some very big healthy moms.

 

[catalyte]

big trees with bulbs in a checker board pattern would be the best use of your space in my opinion...

X=plants 0=lights

X 0 X 0 X
0 X 0 X 0
X 0 X 0 X

 

[DHF]

big trees with bulbs in a checker board pattern would be the best use of your space in my opinion...

X=plants 0=lights

X 0 X 0 X
0 X 0 X 0
X 0 X 0 X

Gotta respectfully disagree with yas Mr CC..and......

I`ll tell yas why.......With lights in the corners instead of plants along with all walls and ceilings covered in reflectix , what happens is ........

Every plant gets constantly blasted by 3 lights at all times with no dead spots in the corners , as well as the plants in the middle getting hit by 4 lights for even more lumen penetration/absorption for said plant placement.......so...that said.....

8000 watts with 7 big plants works in 160 sq ft grow area , but 7 big plants need an individual 5 x 5 sq ft area to be all they can be with a dialed environment by end of cycle , so yas can see the math doesn`t quite work.....but.......

It`s doable if dialable with.....all the environmental equipment in place to carry most of the load.....anyways.....

Many ways ta skin a mule....and....

Holler if I can help.....DHF...........

 

[Mister_D]

Fuck the stadium idea....... Probably the most inefficient vert system ever conceived. Why? Because half of your light is wasted being directed at the bulb next to it, instead of directly at plant matter. Besides that, plants on the back shelf are further from the light than the ones on the front shelf/ves. If you want lower numbers/maintenance run you lights in an x pattern as fred's describes above, or do vertical donuts with 4-8 plants per light. If your goal is maximum production and upping your numbers/workload isn't an issue, go with a coliseum/rack setup like myself, bobble, farmhousecat, gmax, and a couple others are running.