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The helical model - our solar system is a vortex

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Nice modeling job! It's great to see things in 4D! I've always viewed our solar system this way in my head.

No wonder our dna forms a double helix. And it's not just our solar system, but our whole universe that more or less is doing this on one level or another.
 
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SeaMaiden

That's pretty wild, I never thought about it all within the larger context, certainly didn't visualize our solar system in this way. Makes me curious about a few things, for example, how the outer edges of the solar system interplay with the inner reaches. It's a little beyond me, frankly.
 

xmobotx

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theres nothing revolutionary about this; the sun is an orbital body within the milky way galaxy and rotates around the core of the galaxy -which also moves within the local rift {cluster}

additionally; the model could present this but, the local rift is also involved w/ greater superstructure which is involved w/ greater and so an {possibly ad infinitum}

generating a # like 70,000 kph is meaningless and subject to compounding factors it could be much less and it could be much more ~hypothetically; lacking a static body for reference; it cant be measured {it's not moving against anything but with everything in it's "vicinity"}
 

barnyard

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great depiction Anti, thanks for sharing.

On an even larger scale some say the Universe is a rotating toroid.
 

Agaricus

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Nice, nice animation but, well, does it reflect "reality?? Is the motion really perpendicular to the plane of the solar system?

What is the motion in relation to? As far as I (and I think anyone else) knows there's no fixed point in the universe to compare anything to.

Not to take away from the fun part, but a quick look at google hits about how fast the solar system is moving comes up with all kinds of different answers. 515,000 mph. 2.7 million mph. And they're all correct. Just motion related to some arbitrary point which is moving in relation to another point etc. etc.
 
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SeaMaiden

I interpreted the motion to be in relation to the Milky Way, which, IIRC, revolves around a super-black hole in the center of the galaxy. The solar system is supposed to be in one of the Milky Way's spiral arms, as it's a spiral galaxy (or something like that).
 

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I view it much the same as SeaMaiden. The interesting part (to me) is not how fast we are moving but rather that we KNOW the sun is not static but all of our traditional models (even 3D models) tend to portray it that way.
 

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... as above, so below

... as above, so below

..... And it's not just our solar system, but our whole universe that more or less is doing this on one level or another.

It seems to be on all levels, even the inner level.

Anyone using the ancient Shamanistic practice of meditating on the inner light at the 3rd eye area will begin to see a rotating spiral of light or vortex leading off into the distance. This is the same tunnel of light experienced during near death experiences and vision states.

.... and now that I think of it, picture a cluster of buds spiraling up the top of a sativa leading up to the main cola, same principle!:tiphat:
 

ZoSo

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All motion is relative.

The helical model is perfectly fine for what it represents. This is cool to look at but if you're looking for an absolute motion you're probably not gonna find it without leaving this universe entirely.
 

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All motion is relative.

The helical model is perfectly fine for what it represents. This is cool to look at but if you're looking for an absolute motion you're probably not gonna find it without leaving this universe entirely.
Do I need a passport to do that?
 

BlueBlazer

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Do I need a passport to do that?

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If you don't have your papers, a pipe will do . . . :tiphat:
 

xmobotx

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i shouldnt sound so harsh i mean something more like; 'not only that but ~there's more to it than that'
 

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i have to admit; this model has got me think'n

have speculated in the past that gravitational 'motion' can be compared readily to the physics in a whirlpool or {but not as accurate} as if everything is 'falling' together

something which blew my mind recently was some studying i did on some of the great structures like sloan great wall, pisces cetus supercluster complex, et al. looking @ the cosmos on this scale raises considerations like 'the end of greatness' where; viewed from enough distance; these great structures blend into the overall presenting a homogenous view

it struck me not only that outer space has qualities much like a mass of water but also the infinite tininess of our little 'corner' ~from the greater view {past the end of greatness} our entire solar system is about the equivalent of an atom and the earth is basically a fairly small sub-atomic particle {its always been interesting to me the similarities between the structure of the atom and the structures of space}

the 'known universe' is probably comparable to a basketball sized portion in the ocean ~a model of the entire known universe only hints at 'the end of greatness'
 

Anti

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Every time I look up at the sun now, instead of imagining it "hanging" in the sky, it now seems to be the light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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