"Pot smokers" is a big umbrella. There's no shortage of dirt bags who smoke pot. I think your expectation we could all hold hands in camaraderie is rather unrealistic.
Proposed new felony. Any objections?
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"Pot smokers" is a big umbrella. There's no shortage of dirt bags who smoke pot. I think your expectation we could all hold hands in camaraderie is rather unrealistic.
^not if we are all stoned on my herb bro 
In not blaming, i don't even know anything about your situation.
I agree, this shit can happen to anyone regardless of how secure you are. But you can influence the likelihood of the event.
The response of the justice system is going depend on how much money you have, and that is the same no matter the crime commited.
I agree, this shit can happen to anyone regardless of how secure you are. But you can influence the likelihood of the event.
The response of the justice system is going depend on how much money you have, and that is the same no matter the crime commited.
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Shit happens...people get randomly robbed all the time. Making new laws....does not...in anyway free you from victim mentality or random crime...or planned crime. It does not accomplish anything.
The only activism need made here...is for ending prohibition. End of story.
EDIT: imagine the field day defense lawyers would have. What if it was a random breaking and entering...and it happened to be a grow location...that's going to net the perp 10yrs? Lawyers would argue that to hell..so say like sea maiden...says she's a victim of random crime...how does that fit in to this new proposed law? It doesn't.
If it was a planned crime...planned to rip off a gray market provider of goods...then yup...better look at yourself. Help keep the honest people out there...honest....as the old saying goes. If it was planned...security was breached. Security is the responsibility of the provider....in the underground/gray market...old skool new skool...in all schools
The only activism need made here...is for ending prohibition. End of story.
EDIT: imagine the field day defense lawyers would have. What if it was a random breaking and entering...and it happened to be a grow location...that's going to net the perp 10yrs? Lawyers would argue that to hell..so say like sea maiden...says she's a victim of random crime...how does that fit in to this new proposed law? It doesn't.
If it was a planned crime...planned to rip off a gray market provider of goods...then yup...better look at yourself. Help keep the honest people out there...honest....as the old saying goes. If it was planned...security was breached. Security is the responsibility of the provider....in the underground/gray market...old skool new skool...in all schools
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Anti rape - Pro beating!
Anti rape - Pro beating!
Yeah, ya think!!
Ripping up a rapists cock will get you killed sure as eggs is eggs!
Anti rape - Pro beating!
Yeah, ya think!!
Ripping up a rapists cock will get you killed sure as eggs is eggs!
These concepts of fault and victim are red herrings. Security measures should go as far as needed to prevent wolves from eating you; otherwise, solo or in packs, they'll eat you. Although they're opportunistic, they look for the weakest first. All I've said is, if you want to do something to improve grow room security, you'll actually have to do something to improve grow room security.
Valued, easily sold items require a level of security, and higher value requires higher security. It's always been that way and always will be. If no one knows about your grow but you have bling, people will be coming for bling but will leave with the grow too. Ever have something large delivered to your house? In my neighborhood, kids I've never even seen before come out of nowhere before the lift goes down to put a dollar figure on it. If the police want to take your fingerprints instead of fingerprints at your grow, all the more incentive to not get them involved in the first place; it's what they do.
Rape is not relevant to securing an indoor grow. Banks have open doors by day, and are known to be banks without guards at night. My analogy: what if you tell everyone that mom, who died yesterday, per her will will be buried with a ring that might be worth $50,000, and later on someone digs her up? Assignment of blame, perp, and victim titles will be trivial, but if you'd spent for the deluxe vault, at least heavy machinery would have been necessary.
danut
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I did. And I didn't move. And they don't come back.
The area now knows my location is a last choice as a home invasion target.
So I figure the next time someone comes in here, they will intend to blow my brains out. As they know that is their cost if I catch them.
Ripping is a special crime. They come back over and over again.
Maybe the first time is random. The second time they know exactly what they are there for.
I was hit at least ten times.
What I REALLY want to get shut down, is leo using rippers to find the growers. That means they are allowing home invaders to conduct their business in exchange for information. They're accessories in crime waves.
But all's fair when there's a war.
In my case, they let the three home invaders go and put me in jail.
I called the newspaper collect from jail and requested they ask the police why they supported home invaders? THEN the police figured out that they had to admit the three were in fact committing a crime. They let them turn themselves in.
Sound like old buddies?
They DID have to wait for the one guy in the hospital.
it would be better to use your energy toward ending prohibition. It has major sway already and would help solve your issue even better for many reasons.
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Well, I suppose that, yes, you're right. I would like to think that we are just as important to society as any other members of society. But, we're not.
Not hold hands singing kumbaya. But neither do I expect growers, users and patients to be targeting each other, or leaving each other out to hang dry. Remember all the stuff that happened when Joe Schmoe went down? How many charity auctions were there for him? I can think of at least three. Why that, but no care for those who are targeted not by law enforcement, but by criminals? Why is one person more a victim than another?
That's a dichotomy I just don't understand.
Wow. Just... wow.
Since cannabis is prohibited, anybody who smokes is also someone who has chosen to follow their own will and step outside of the law. By definition we're all criminals. Sure haven't eliminated the predators with that cut. And if you've spent any time acquiring your smoke from the black market, you've likely dealt with some shady people.
So our cohort is full of unsavory characters. And as pot-smokers these people have the inside scoop on the culture and who's doing what. If you are growing for distribution then somebody else knows your business. And if you're growing for distribution you're likely to have cash on hand. Predatory smokers (like the police) also know that many growers, especially those fitting the hippy stereotype are less likely to offer violent resistance to home invaders. Fer gawdsakes, Flower Children are practically synonymous with the peace movement.
Then to make it worse, if a grower is subjected to burglary or even an outright armed home invasion, the victim is motivated to keep knowledge of the crime secret since reporting such crime to the police will do no good, and is likely to place the victim in prison for growing.
So like it or not, for the criminally predatory pot smoker, targeting growers is a no-brainer.
^could happen, but have you ever just even barely caught some dick skin a zipper? that alone is enough to debilitate me. That thing would kill me. Guess I'm just a pussy. lol
^I am sure you agree with me when I say this is no justification to let violence happen to anyone. A good person is above the mentality of letting the criminals kill the criminals. It is like saying two wrongs make a right. There are good cops and bad ones, and where they patrol is not luck of the draw.
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Ok, this idea just popped into my head, and I know it wouldn't have any kind of traction in any world except the one inside my head, but my my HEAD, here's how it would work.
If law enforcement does not do diligent work on all cannabis-related crimes as they would on any other crime where it's not involved, they get punished.
Yeah, it's probably right up there with the windshield wiper light idea.
If law enforcement does not do diligent work on all cannabis-related crimes as they would on any other crime where it's not involved, they get punished.
Yeah, it's probably right up there with the windshield wiper light idea.
I think u should be able to only rob steamers/
leave hippys B ,
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leave hippys B ,
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Ok, this idea just popped into my head, and I know it wouldn't have any kind of traction in any world except the one inside my head, but my my HEAD, here's how it would work.
If law enforcement does not do diligent work on all cannabis-related crimes as they would on any other crime where it's not involved, they get punished.
Yeah, it's probably right up there with the windshield wiper light idea.
A PIG is much more likely to receive praise than punishment for fucking over peoples rights while doing an absolutely shitty job.
Arrest a black Yale law professor in his own home, get food and beer with the President.
Substitute FIRED or EXECUTED for "punished" and maybe something would change, but until then it is the thick BLUE line of fascism.
