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I have done it out of need many times in the past.... Some strains and individuals seemed to suffer yeild a little and some it seemed to benefit. However, I did find that the further in to bloom you go, the tougher the stems/stalks get and the greater the chance of a break.
Seems that with some, that they put a lot of energy in to turning everything up and toward the light and I think that at times that can detract from flowering. I love to LST and train/scrog right up until the stretch starts to level off. Like everything else, you need to maybe try it and see what happens.
Don't know if I just rambled aimlessly, but I wish you the best of results!
Seems that with some, that they put a lot of energy in to turning everything up and toward the light and I think that at times that can detract from flowering. I love to LST and train/scrog right up until the stretch starts to level off. Like everything else, you need to maybe try it and see what happens.
Don't know if I just rambled aimlessly, but I wish you the best of results!
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Oh the first couple weeks of 12/12 I'm tying stuff down. Sometimes I let them start into stretch before doing LST. You can tie down branches that are already developed and then let the now taller unsubdued buds grow another week as the now dominant branches before tying/clipping them down. And I'm always readjusting stuff up until the end to keep growing tips in the light.
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I have a small room. I'm growing under 400 watt lights so there is a limited vertical zone with sufficient illumination to produce good bud. That is my height limitation.
One reason I'd be lsting during stretch is that at times my veg tables are full of beer cup plants ready to be up-potted and moved to 12/12. So if there's more room in the flowering trays the plants get hustled into there and then tied (actually clipped) down into position. I might wait a bit before lsting. Sometimes I might want the main branches to lengthen some before clipping them down, which allows the bottom bud sites to take off. Whatever bud sites are highest in elevation will become dominant.
Some plants just stretch a lot and I need to lst several times to keep everything within range. But a plant can only produce so much bud in the time allotted to a flowing period. The plants that got lsted late didn't have the hefty buds. As they say, there's no free lunch.
If you want the most bud sites with good filled out bud then you'll want the plant to get a good start on laying the foundation for bud during a longer veg period and not try to fit it into flowering. At least that's what I think. And again I am doing this to acquire an even canopy and fit the bud sites into my illuminated zone.
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i'm not very experienced, but i have had great results with LST. i grow mostly sativa dominant strains with little veg time, so training them throughout is a must. like crusader rabbit i grow under 400 W and space is tight. lst'ing gives a more even canopy.
i would say just try it - if you're gentle i don't think you can do much wrong.
i would say just try it - if you're gentle i don't think you can do much wrong.
I stopped LSTing a couple years ago. now I repeatedly top during veg to get a large, low, even canopy, and then after the stretch I squeeze the stems of the tallest growth and bend them over at the squeeze point until they are level again with the rest of things.
The end result for me is a low height plant with a shit load of colas and no string all over the place.
The end result for me is a low height plant with a shit load of colas and no string all over the place.
Depending on the size of the plant I won't fuck with trying to tie down or top any plants after 10 days or so of 12/12.
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Low Stress Training (or whatever it is I do, tying/clipping branches down horizontal) doesn't necessarily create new branches. It reduces the height of taller dominant branches. The tallest portion of the plant gets to emit an auxin/plant-hormone that suppresses the growth of everything below. This is your apical dominant bud doing its thing.
If you bend your apical buds down lower than the rest of the plant, then they aren't suppressing the growth of the other branchlets. So these once lower branches can now take off in growth. Whatever is now the highest in elevation becomes the dominant buds. So one reason for doing this is to reduce the growth of the former dominant branches and allow other branches to grow and fill out at the expense of the former dominant growth. Having the lower bud sites now unshaded helps encourage them to fill out. I don't think this is giving you more bud volume directly. It is redistributing the growth of the plant to fit better into your own specific scene.
The plant wants to shoot for the sky and out compete its neighbors by growing a big single terminal bud up above everybody else. I want my plants to create a dense ten-twelve inch deep carpet/canopy of bud, so I must train them. Bending branches down low and horizontal motivates the attached branchlets to now grow upright and become mini colas. If you want more big thick real colas you'll need to do that growth in veg. The plant will need time to grow a large vegetative and large root mass to support all this bud. There's no free lunch.
In a longer veg your newly released branchlets will now struggle to see who can grow tall and become the dominant apical bud, and you're now fighting the same battle trying to keep everything even. Guess there is an optimal time for each size plant to get everything adjusted right and flower that puppy so it will come out relatively even.
LSTing the branches is relative you either get one big bud or a bunch of small ones but I would say for the most part the amount is pretty equal in the end headband 707
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Whoa, I just reread the last line in your first post. This is a whole different ball game.
Valuable advice, well stated. I did some serious cramming and readjusting today at flower day 19, hopefully it didn't redirect energy in the wrong directions. It takes some practice obviously to get that even full canopy, especially in a confined space.
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I do have height problems , which is why i do alot of training during veg to get bigger shorter plants . one way is not topping , but putting the clone in the corner of a square pot & tying her down to get more branching . where each node is ... there will be more applicable branches as the main stalk is sideways & it can't differenciate which branch is now the main top .
heres a pic of what i'm talking about .
this works good for me if the plants aren't to stretchy . if they do stretch alot i'll put in a net & train them on the net during the stretch .
I do have height problems , which is why i do alot of training during veg to get bigger shorter plants . one way is not topping , but putting the clone in the corner of a square pot & tying her down to get more branching . where each node is ... there will be more applicable branches as the main stalk is sideways & it can't differenciate which branch is now the main top .
heres a pic of what i'm talking about .
this works good for me if the plants aren't to stretchy . if they do stretch alot i'll put in a net & train them on the net during the stretch .
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If you're growing vertical, then tying them down in stretch hoping to get a whole bunch of vertical colas out of the secondary branches hasn't a very promising future. This scenario is missing more veg time.
Again, there's no free lunch. To get all those full colas you're asking for you'll need a big root mass and more veg time. That's the trade off; lots of colas from a few long vegged plants, or lots of colas from a lot of smaller short vegged plants. You can't get lots of full colas from a short vegged plant.
You've topped them and have four to six main shoots on each plant. That's plenty for a vertically illuminated plant. Put a screen behind or in front of each plant, and arrange the growth through stretch to optimize light exposure.
Again, there's no free lunch. To get all those full colas you're asking for you'll need a big root mass and more veg time. That's the trade off; lots of colas from a few long vegged plants, or lots of colas from a lot of smaller short vegged plants. You can't get lots of full colas from a short vegged plant.
You've topped them and have four to six main shoots on each plant. That's plenty for a vertically illuminated plant. Put a screen behind or in front of each plant, and arrange the growth through stretch to optimize light exposure.
