Can I get some Input on cutting edge solutions??????

[PuffnBikeTech]

Anyone have experience with this ! I have a friend who swears by this stuff and I have never heard of it. I currently use Botanicare Pro grow and Bloom! any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!!

 

[real food]

HumTea is the Bomb!!!

I grew the main nute line when it first came out (2005) but there was a lot of salt buildup, It was pretty good, I liked it but I would prolly choose Botanicare...
I was working like 65 hour weeks tho so I think I botched a few feedings that run.

Give it a test run tho it may be improved now, but definately get HumTea for your cuttings but dont forget to follow directions perfectly, HumTea is ALIVE.

Mycology Class with Dr. David Sime, PhD

This class was held in Santa Rosa, CA and featured an intensive 6 hour course on learning the basics of plant pathogen identification. The class included: basic microscope technique, identifying beneficial and pathogenic microorganisms, and creating/sustaining a healthy environment for the proper balance of microorganisms in your plants rhizosphere.

Book your space online by Emailing info [at] cuttingedgesoutions [dot] org, subject CLASS, or through the "In-Store Classes” link on our website, www.cuttingedgesolutions.org. We look forward to demystifying the basics of microbiology for those enthusiasts who are truly interested in the next level of gardening and plant health.

http://www.cuttingedgesolutions.org/catalog/humtea.php

 

[PuffnBikeTech]

Thanx! my friend is a distributor of this stuff and he sells the whole line! He only started because he used it and loved it! He said it was great but never complained about salt buildup. I geuss they're sugaree flush must work! thanx for the info! I like the pros and cons before I make any kind of change! I'll probably do a side by side with my Nirvana's Master Kush! thank you!

 

[bicyclebenny]

I just got an email reply from them stating that they'll send me $140 worth of samples for $20 shipping. I got the email address from their website. I'm on it!

 

[PuffnBikeTech]

my buddy swears by the stuff and really think I am gonna try it in a side by side!

 

[CheddarProf]

Cutting Edge Solutions is just an amazing company all around.

12 years in and I am happy in their conventional world. Over 100 grows between myself and family and we have tried nearly every major line. At the end of the day the simple fact has been we get the largest, most flavorful and potent yields for the lowest price with Cutting Edge. I run all 6 parts.

We have run head to head full bucket systems against Veg + Bloom powder line, Advanced Nutes Pro formula, Botanicare Pure Blend Pro, Botanicare CNS 17, Technaflora, Canna, and General Hydroponics 3 part over the years, Cutting Edge Solutions full six parts beat them all with bigger yields and lower price. I wouldn't have even known about this stuff since I grew most of my career in Phoenix until I saw a homie's crop in Chula Vista. I was like DAMN what are you using?

I'm done with looking at other lines... Oh and HumTea is the bomb. Adds crazy girth and stamina to your plants... super super happy fan leaves praying to the sky!

Peace and fat harvests.

 

[pokearound]

Hello Folks,

CES is most definitely affordable. I've only ran one cycle with it and had so so results.
A friend, who runs a garden center, uses CES and sold me on purchasing some.
He also suggested using the additives (plant amp, UJB, Mag Amped) as a foliar spray, stretching the product a lot further.

I use FFOF soil and found the dosage of the three nutrient products hard to get just right. Also, is it best to add the three nutrients, then ph, and then add Seagreen?

So that's where I am at with this product line, still somewhat on the fence.
Do others here find that organic nutes are more forgiving when either over or under applied? Do others find that organic nutes result in a much more flavorful end product?

Just bouncing some ideas around on this late saturday night, Cheers to All !

 

[RubeGoldberg]

cutting edge solutions is basically a ghetto GH flora series.


Their tea brewer is pretty neat though

 

[AZmedigrow]

GH uses industrial grade ingredients, C.E.S. uses medical grade or higher for about the same price as GH. I own a hydro shop in AZ and I can tell you for certain that after growing for twenty years with every nute line from A.N, G.H., Botanicare, Canna, MicroBrewed, Roots Organic, Humboldt, House n Garden, etc..... C.E.S. is an extremely awesome company all around. All of the ingredients and all of the packaging are sourced in the USA for one thing. The additives have a high organic acid content and their chelating process is very tech. PH can range between 4.0-6.5 with great results. After all is said and done, CES out performs anything I have ever used at a fraction of the cost and I will keep using their products!

 

[toad76]

I've used their 3 part base nutes for two years now. Someone recommended it when I was starting out & had no idea what to use (totally overwhelmed as a new grower by all the options). At the time, I was happy to find a really affordable option to start with. Since then I've considered changing a few times, usually when I've read one too many article or forum post and I've started over thinking the whole thing. But in the end I stay with CES, it's affordable and my plants are healthy.

 

[Fresh Start]

3 Years Experience

3 Years Experience

Ive been using Cutting Edge for three years now and I'd like to share my experience with it.

My formula for arguments sake:

Medium- Royal Gold Tupur coco blend. (Has calcium added to balance the cation exchange capacity of coco and compost to buffer against ph swings)

Nutes- CES three part (Since I work with a calcium fortified medium I don't need to use plant amp very often if at all. Mag amp has never made much of a difference imho)

All that goes into a sealed room with co2 @ 1100 ppm.

Pros
First of all I've performed excellent runs in terms of weight, bag appeal, and overall plant health. To add to the general positivity of CES, I was able to achieve my gardening goals early on in my career and I believe that my success is in so small part due to the easy learning curve CES provides.

-Self phing. This is good. It lets you start out without any ppm/ph meter. And it lets you worry about one less thing while figuring out your own gardening rhythms.

-Cheap and effective. The whole line of CES is designed with beginners in mind and is easy to apply as if you are an "experienced" grower. It also has enough flexibility to attract those seeking to refine their nutritional technique. (ppm, foliar additions, and multiple medium applications.)

-The organism beneficials (fungi and bacteria) supplements such as Hum-tea, G-rex, and T-rex are top of the line quality. If I ever stop using CES for my base nutrient line I will probably not stop using their beneficials because they are so potent. My propagation in rock-wool is greatly improved with T-rex and Humtea. I also have to tip my hat to CES for producing these because they inspired me to read more about how fungus and bacteria have such vital roles in soil composition/nutrient uptake.

-The "grow" portion of the base line can be used as an effective cal/mag foliar spray

Cons

-The beneficials line is incredibly expensive. I have started brewing my own Hum-tea with similar if not better results and I pay a fraction of the price. New products like Sea Green (a bottle of friendly bacteria that does not require a brewer) are making beneficials cheaper and easier to use. T-rex is incredible- yes, but other mycorrhizal products are on the market that aid in propagation/nutrient uptake and are less expensive. The whole thing with T/G-rex is that fungi spores are held in an aqueous solution and are easier to use in that form. Competitors use granular forms of mycorrhizal fungi and they are harder to use for propagation.

-Self phing. This is a con if you are an advanced user whom wants to "dail in" nutrient uptake or have the flexibility to achieve a solid ph for whatever reason. CES starts out at a very low ph (5.4-5.6) and after being applied to the soiless medium (Tupur blend) it starts to rise to 6.0- this has not been a problem in my soiless blend but when I switched to using pure Botanicare Coco I started to experience half bleach white leaves and half dark green leaves. That was wierd let me tell you! In the end only some of the buds came out with that interesting color scheme which was good. This happened because there were spots in the medium that were lower in PH than others- probably because the Coco was a denser medium.

-Overall plant health with the base line 3 part will be good-real good. But when you start demanding excellence from your garden from cutting till harvest you must use all the additives (plant amp, mag amp, uncle johns blend, T-rex, and G-rex) and that starts to get expensive. The difference is like night and day when using the base line (micro, grow, bloom) compared to the entire set- not because the base 3 part is bad but because the entire set will perform so much better.

In Conclusion
Right now I'm doing a side by side with another nutrient line and CES 3 part (that I will not disclose for the sake of keeping this article about CES) and although I am at a very early stage with my plants the subtle difference between the two is evidence enough for me to seek further quality in my nutrients without having to buy so many supplements.

One of my friends who uses the whole Botanicare Pure Blend Pro line says that his plants have a "sheen" to them that will not come from using the CES 3 part and I can definitely agree to that. But to have come this far in knowledge and experience with CES I feel like it is worth it to use the product until you can recognize that "sheen" difference.

 

[sagebrush802]

Ive been using Cutting Edge for three years now and I'd like to share my experience with it.

My formula for arguments sake:

Medium- Royal Gold Tupur coco blend. (Has calcium added to balance the cation exchange capacity of coco and compost to buffer against ph swings)

Nutes- CES three part (Since I work with a calcium fortified medium I don't need to use plant amp very often if at all. Mag amp has never made much of a difference imho)

All that goes into a sealed room with co2 @ 1100 ppm.

Pros
First of all I've performed excellent runs in terms of weight, bag appeal, and overall plant health. To add to the general positivity of CES, I was able to achieve my gardening goals early on in my career and I believe that my success is in so small part due to the easy learning curve CES provides.

-Self phing. This is good. It lets you start out without any ppm/ph meter. And it lets you worry about one less thing while figuring out your own gardening rhythms.

-Cheap and effective. The whole line of CES is designed with beginners in mind and is easy to apply as if you are an "experienced" grower. It also has enough flexibility to attract those seeking to refine their nutritional technique. (ppm, foliar additions, and multiple medium applications.)

-The organism beneficials (fungi and bacteria) supplements such as Hum-tea, G-rex, and T-rex are top of the line quality. If I ever stop using CES for my base nutrient line I will probably not stop using their beneficials because they are so potent. My propagation in rock-wool is greatly improved with T-rex and Humtea. I also have to tip my hat to CES for producing these because they inspired me to read more about how fungus and bacteria have such vital roles in soil composition/nutrient uptake.

-The "grow" portion of the base line can be used as an effective cal/mag foliar spray

Cons

-The beneficials line is incredibly expensive. I have started brewing my own Hum-tea with similar if not better results and I pay a fraction of the price. New products like Sea Green (a bottle of friendly bacteria that does not require a brewer) are making beneficials cheaper and easier to use. T-rex is incredible- yes, but other mycorrhizal products are on the market that aid in propagation/nutrient uptake and are less expensive. The whole thing with T/G-rex is that fungi spores are held in an aqueous solution and are easier to use in that form. Competitors use granular forms of mycorrhizal fungi and they are harder to use for propagation.

-Self phing. This is a con if you are an advanced user whom wants to "dail in" nutrient uptake or have the flexibility to achieve a solid ph for whatever reason. CES starts out at a very low ph (5.4-5.6) and after being applied to the soiless medium (Tupur blend) it starts to rise to 6.0- this has not been a problem in my soiless blend but when I switched to using pure Botanicare Coco I started to experience half bleach white leaves and half dark green leaves. That was wierd let me tell you! In the end only some of the buds came out with that interesting color scheme which was good. This happened because there were spots in the medium that were lower in PH than others- probably because the Coco was a denser medium.

-Overall plant health with the base line 3 part will be good-real good. But when you start demanding excellence from your garden from cutting till harvest you must use all the additives (plant amp, mag amp, uncle johns blend, T-rex, and G-rex) and that starts to get expensive. The difference is like night and day when using the base line (micro, grow, bloom) compared to the entire set- not because the base 3 part is bad but because the entire set will perform so much better.

In Conclusion
Right now I'm doing a side by side with another nutrient line and CES 3 part (that I will not disclose for the sake of keeping this article about CES) and although I am at a very early stage with my plants the subtle difference between the two is evidence enough for me to seek further quality in my nutrients without having to buy so many supplements.

One of my friends who uses the whole Botanicare Pure Blend Pro line says that his plants have a "sheen" to them that will not come from using the CES 3 part and I can definitely agree to that. But to have come this far in knowledge and experience with CES I feel like it is worth it to use the product until you can recognize that "sheen" difference.

hey what rations of m/b/g are you using in veg and bloom and what method are you using to feed, drain to waste, recirc...?

Ive been using the tupur and ces with rez's formula (modified for ces) for some time with decent results but i feel that the plants can handle more.....
also are you using any PK boosters in bloom?

 

[Fresh Start]

hey what rations of m/b/g are you using in veg and bloom and what method are you using to feed, drain to waste, recirc...?

I've been using the recommended drain to waste ratios for coco that are available through their website for veg/bloom.

Ive been using the tupur and ces with rez's formula (modified for ces) for some time with decent results but i feel that the plants can handle more.....
also are you using any PK boosters in bloom?

In the past I have experimented with Roots Organic bloom boosters and Atami's Bloombastic guano based pk booster- but now I just run CES uncle johns blend as a k booster in my fertilizer ratio. I did not see enough of a difference from my setup to keep using the other organic guano based pk boosters. Also, I'm trying to keep track of ppm/EC levels of my fertilizer and that is hard to do with organics- which brings me to your other comment " i feel that the plants can handle more....."

I think its cool that you are paying attention to NPK ratios and experimenting with tried and true recipes but when you say that you think your plants can handle more then you are probably talking about concentration. (unless you are talking about specific elements like phosphorus or potassium in rez's ratio that you feel are lacking)

Now here's what took me a few runs to understand.
CES has provided a mixing chart on their website. *Head nods
They also provide a ppm guideline for those ratios. *Head nods again
Have you been paying attention to the ppms/EC you feed your plants at all stages of life?? Hopefully your head is nodding for the third time-because if you have then you can increase the ppm/EC (aka concentration) of the ratio you are using (provided by CES or Rez) to "give your plants more". For instance, lets say I have a 50 gal reservoir that I want to mix for adolescent plants and I also want to keep my ppm/EC at 700 using the drain to waste ratios provided on their website. I would actually mix the reservoir for 30 gallons instead of 50 so that I can dilute
the concentration of the ratio to 700 ppm/EC. If I wanted to increase the concentration I would mix the rez using the DTW ratio on the mixing charts for more gallons of water. As long as you dont exceed the recommended ppm/EC you should be good. Boom. There is your pk "booster".


Ahem, that being said I tend to use less than is recommended by the manufacturer and I advise you to stay in a 600-900 ppm range.

Now go get a blue lab ppm pen and start taking notes.