Beat me to it! Toker for 26 years says...

[Hydro-Soil]

But then so be it and will ignore the fact that you completely missed my point.

Actually... my post completely missed my own point. Daily issue here...

That's a medicinal methode that apparently works for you, and I thought I made clear I do respect others ways of going about things.

Then.... why the purpose of this thread?

The point is that you're getting down on the current breeding practices as if they're somehow doing damage to something or producing crap.

Super strong weed is imvh opinion just hype shit with no substance to it.

They're not all hype. Have you grown any super strong, balanced strains? I've some trainwreck x princess diesel here that requires a lot less to process... to get the same number of canna-caps and medication quality. The oil production is amazing and the cannabinoid profile is potent and balanced. Just a tiny bit of 'fog'... gotta pop a few more to find one without that... touch more PD.

Is there a lot of shit breeding going on? Hell yes! It's a huge mess and commercialization doesn't help a bit.

However, the diversity alone is well worth the efforts of those breeding for super THC and all that junk.

Have you ever looked into how easy it's becoming (in areas with a diverse number of strains available) to mix and match oils from each to make meds to your particular liking? I see a lot happening in Colorado in the next few years.

All of this is spurred by prohibition and there's no way you're going to change the human condition. When prohibition ends though... there will be more people working on other breeding projects and not just the commercial, hyped up breeding companies either.

Glad you found something that works for you.

Stay Safe!

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

when dealing with tolerance were all different. what works on the regular for you may not work on the regular for me.

to keep tolerance low, i like to smoke all types of strains. i consider hi grade cannabis to anything with stable genetics. ive even found some jamaican arizona that was nice, light and the stone was mellow and not too strong, then ive had some stuff that literally made me pass out.

i like to smoke the mellow stuff after ive had the strong stuff and mix it up here and there to keep things lively. some strains are worth bragging about BUT bragging about a strain is something that shouldnt be done because, once again, what world for you may not work for me.

 

[komodod]

i think this is why most people have a day time smoke and a night time/ wanna get fucked smoke..

 

[dddaver]

Whatever. Everybody's different. What's lemons to you is lemonade to me, one man's trash is another man's treasure, what works best for you doesn't necessarily mean that works for me, etc etc. I really couldn't care less what Joe Shmoe does dude, as long as it doesn't effect me or mine.

 

[canned abyss1]

Off the Hook, my bad I neg repped you by mistake.

I totally agree that choice of method equals results desired.

Reminds me of a this:
Two bulls came upon a valley full of cows and the young bull declared 'lets run over there and fuck us one of them cows'. The old bull chuckled lightly and replied 'Lets walk on over there and fuck them all'.

Yup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbUxePfsoWE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[skullznroses]

People who have to smoke all day are missing some very medicinal experiences that don't involve MMJ. Better off taking tinctures for part of the day and smoking 1/2 the day or less. If you smoke all day everyday, then you are locked into a routine which may OR may not be the best medical situation for yourself. You gotta go out and give the world a chance not on weed to really get the most out of it. My friend who smokes at work all day doesn't enjoy smoking as much as he could, basically because he sets himself up to chase that high all day instead of actually getting high.

 

[offthehook]

Actually... my post completely missed my own point. Daily issue here...

WONDERFUL that you've found what works for you. You sound like a born-again jesus freak though. Very boring.

Offthehook: Your sin will be forgiven, FLMAO!
(I ain't got much to do with your historical figure tho, but felt like fun to plug it here.)

No but seriously, I reckoned there were some issue's about that peticular post, and now when you say it I remember this has happened earlyer before with you.
No offence token, you still got my respect Sir. keep up the good work Mr.
My appologies for getting back nasty at you, I should have known better.
Reconsiliation makes more sense to me then carrying grudges. (I hope this wasn't a phrase from that long gone hippie, eheh.)


H-S: Then.... why the purpose of this thread?

The point is that you're getting down on the current breeding practices as if they're somehow doing damage to something or producing crap.

Offthehook:

They indeed could, for if it wasn't up to a bunch of dedicated ppl that manage to keep their head straight, and who I would want to encourage by all means, even though it would not suit MY peticular interest.

Even the 'party drug like', off balance, 'super foggy' or 'super hyper making' strains may serve a purpose too imo, for at least they serve us in getting a taste at what one definatly would not want to produce to the eternally shifting & shortliving markets. ^^

Like I said earlyer, it is tempting, also to me, to single mindedly wanting to respond to what the markets desire.
But I sense that it could do harm to strains that as a matter of fact already may be perfect as they are, for at least profile wise that is.

To me there is no sense in painstakingly spending several years on creating the 'perfect strain for a specific purpose, only to get great comments from the market on it for a while, but to then all of a sudden having to face that it is not competeble when compared to other strains with no any significant value whatsoever other than plain potency.
Like potency is all what it's about, nothing else, as long as it bangs somehow.
It would tempt me in trying to get my 'life investments' stronger while at the same time knowing I'd be harming the strain and the ppl who actually did benefit from it.
(& at the same time supporting a progressivly larger & larger getting group of ppl that by my standards seem to be completely derailed from common sense.
But ok, Someone elses standards may be different, sure.
To them 'persue of happines' could equally well mean: 'Beeing fucked up like shit', well, there you go, & so be it, all best of luck with the ambition ) ^^

Back on track.

As a breeder, I can only focus on so and so many strains and if the markets shift as they do, I would need to let go of some real personal treasures in order to make space for the next best, most sought after societal whimp.



H-S: They're not all hype. Have you grown any super strong, balanced strains? I've some trainwreck x princess diesel here that requires a lot less to process... to get the same number of canna-caps and medication quality. The oil production is amazing and the cannabinoid profile is potent and balanced. Just a tiny bit of 'fog'... gotta pop a few more to find one without that... touch more PD.

Offthehook:

We have grown and currently are growing (Definatly not breeding!) extremely strong strains of wich some are desired for it's known effects of making ppl puke all over the place. If it weren't any different I would'nt be growing them at all, but they are the ones some ppl seem to wanna try out most.

I haven't ever grown a superstrong strain of wich I could say, wow! This is real emplyfied balance! After hitting this great and expensive, hard to get strain, I find myself now beeing at the top of of my comphort and happynes levels ever possible to exeed. Nope, Haven't come my way yet.

If you are making it your life effort to dedicately try & hope to achieve something like that... Well, all my best wishes and support to you H-S, Honest!
There must be plenty out there who are sharing the same ambitions you have, but of wich none of their finnished products seem to have ever come my way yet.

I do have some personal favorites amongst the stronger ones, sure, But they are not what I would want to call : super strong ones.




H-S: Is there a lot of shit breeding going on? Hell yes! It's a huge mess and commercialization doesn't help a bit.

However, the diversity alone is well worth the efforts of those breeding for super THC and all that junk.

Have you ever looked into how easy it's becoming (in areas with a diverse number of strains available) to mix and match oils from each to make meds to your particular liking? I see a lot happening in Colorado in the next few years.

Offthehook:

Nope, but I can imagine something, Seems like a new open era to discover.
Got some friend in Holland occupying himself with it tho.
He seems to be real enthioust.



H-S: All of this is spurred by prohibition and there's no way you're going to change the human condition. When prohibition ends though... there will be more people working on other breeding projects and not just the commercial, hyped up breeding companies either.

Glad you found something that works for you.

Offthehook: sure am too , Thanks for sympathising.

Stay Safe!

Offthehook: back at ya, see ya around Mr.

 

[offthehook]

yas get a certain age and it's the little things that make the difference.
you're offthehook bro.

Thanks manTrich.

Every once a while, one's gotto say what's on his mind wha.

 

[offthehook]

i think this is why most people have a day time smoke and a night time/ wanna get fucked smoke..

Sure can be satisfying for a while too Komo.

 

[offthehook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbUxePfsoWE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Your clip greatly emplified the Joke's meaning. Thanks for posting Canned.

 

[BadTicket]

My son is 40, and he smokes CONSTANTLY! I mean from the time he wakes up until the time he goes to bed. I am sure that he is so used to being stoned that the magic given by that experience now eludes him.

Just my 2 cents, folks...

I have a friend like that, pretty much right after he wakes up, he has a joint in his mouth. Then by afternoon it's a bong, and late night hash from a bong. He admitted that he doesn't really get that high anymore, it just helps him to cope with life.

I used to smoke all day, every day too. But started feeling like the ganja was somewhat of a jailer and my life just revolved around growing, toking and talking about weed. These days i only smoke in the evening and i can go days without a toke too. Also i'm not a friend of very strong smokes, i like just a lil' high here and there, and if i wanna get wasted, i'll eat some of my cookies. Or i go drinking and smoking with my dreaded pals. Sometimes (very rarely) if i know i won't have shit to do the whole day, i might start it up with a joint and just play battlefield all freakin' day, but i do better when sober, so..

Do i have a point? Not really, but to each his own is what i say

 

[offthehook]

Yo BT, Always good to see an old friend comming into the room.

Wanted to ask how you're doing but by the looks of your comment everything seems to be just right wha.

I agree, at times the whole weed issue may seem like somewhat a jailer, but hey, that's what we do!
Shit only came our way like this so we're the annointed ones having to suffer it out untill the madness stops someday, lol
I see it more as a part time job tho. Rather easy to snap out of it and focus elsewhere, but sure, once captured by the great 7 headed hydra called 'state prohibition', weed related issue's will come ones way whereever you go.


Cuddos Mr Bt, I'll be catching ya again comes spring. ^^

 

[Juicepuddle]

dumb thread, smoke constantly. THC overdose no such thing.

If you vomit you inhaled wrong, sorry to burst your bullshit.

 

[offthehook]

You're not bursting anything thusfar JP, just making a statement.

I got some weed laying around that makes me puke no matter what.

We're in a circle of hard core tokers but then there are 3 guys incl myself that need to go to the bathroom just a tit bit more frequently when hitting certain kinds of dope, eheh.
I'm the least extreme of those 3 and what still makes me feel all right makes them turn pale on impact.

All others are inhaling like it's fresh air and seem to be just fine all the way.

Been lurking some 20+ years from my sherlock so I should have figured a thing or 2
about inhaling correctly by now I reckon.

Maybe try getting get out and see some ppl Juice, lol.

Ever thought about keeping workshops to teach ppl inhaling correctly?

 

[frankenstein2]

This is an intersting thread. I have been on both sides of the fence. I've had jobs where i can't get high at work, so i dont, other jobs i can be burnt all day. I'm one of the guys now that wakes up and smokes bho on top of my finest(deadhead og), and start my day. I continue to smoke all day, the catch is that i only take one or two hits at a time and i stay high all day. I am also very productive while all this toking is going on, i brought in about 20 lbs, this year, all while taking care of my disabled father, and my own family, without the weed i would have surely went nuts.
Also i'm a ex-opiate addict, that believes this plant saved my life, I was iv'ing pills and other things as well. After going to rehab, and living the sober life, the only thing that keeps me sane and keeps a needle out of my arm is my love for this plant. Growing, planning, smoking , making bho, etc., is now an intergral part of my life that keeps the devil at bay.
It all started out as recreational toking and took me almost losing everything to realize that it's much more than that. Staying high all day makes my world better, and the stronger the better, because if im feeling good from the weed, then i don't need anything else. Some call what im doing substitution, for me it's what works to keep my life in order and on track.
Also so no one get's it twisted i love to smoke just to get so high i cant remeber my own phone number lol, smoking much more than is nessecary, some of my best ideas have come from this state lol.

 

[offthehook]

Great that you managed to find some profesional hulp with your addiction Frankenstein.

The country I live in (Finland)would sent us straight to imprisonment of some kind and one would lose his job & kids over it.

I know some ppl in deep shit that have great trouble because of it.

In here we're on our own if it comes to prescrip & opiate addiction. It's a crime yanno.
Waiting for the day for it to become a health issue. Prolly never will.

So much more lucrative to state outlets keeping it a crime.

Guys don't realy seem to be able substituting opiates for weed on their own. It's a bloody mess.
What did rehab work out for you to enable switching substances?

 

[frankenstein2]

The rehab here in the usa are very strict they wont allow you to switch one for the other. They would rather put you on methadone, or suboxone(a new era opiate replacement therapy drug). The choice to impliment cannabis was my own. I would rather use an all natural medicine to keep my sickness at bay , then to use more pharmacuticels. The state i live in does not allow cannabis for medical use , so i am constantly breaking the law, idc though, i's worth it to me.

 

[offthehook]

Thanks man Frankenstein! I'll do some research on suboxone and discuss with some fella's if it could be of any use to them.
We tried to get a hold of ibugaine, some natural substance to achieve cessation, but the stuff was too expensive and cumbersome to ship into the country.

Ah, damn, I just checked suboxone, that's the stuff that just keeps em comming back for more. ^^

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I have a friend like that, pretty much right after he wakes up, he has a joint in his mouth. Then by afternoon it's a bong, and late night hash from a bong. He admitted that he doesn't really get that high anymore, it just helps him to cope with life.

Yep... that was me. Turns out I'm autistic. *shrug* Now I make canna-caps to cut down on all the smoking.

It's medicine for me... recreational just doesn't really come into it.

Stay Safe!

btw... this Chem-D is one of those very unbalanced strains/phenos. 'caused me a few issues the last week or so. LOL

 

[Laughing Jim]

Vomiting

Vomiting

dumb thread, smoke constantly. THC overdose no such thing.

If you vomit you inhaled wrong, sorry to burst your bullshit.

It's not at all unusual to vomit from smoking pot, especially some really high power Sative if you are a novice smoker.

All this macho crap some 'a you guys are fronting is insulting.

Tell me, nobody here has EVER thrown up from a spectacularly scary roller coaster ride?

I grew some Oaxacan one time and smoked a joint with my little brother; he got so freaking high and disoriented that he threw up. He was a novice smoker at the time and the experience was just too overwhelming for him...it really does happen, OK? and it is NOT because "...you inhaled wrong."