Bug damage. Anyone know what this is?

[Kushy]

I see nothing to bad here either. I get leaves that look like that. The egg things are way to uniform to be eggs to me. And on the top makes me question them also.

I always use preventative measures before something happens. Doesn't hurt to neem/azamaxe/ect, just to cautious. A close up could explain alot.

As sea-maiden said.....
Trichrome- an outgrowth/hair.....Could be anything. Theres a thread somewhere with crazy cannabis abnormalities.

If your doing everything right things will fall in place.
Hope this helps.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Definition of trichome:

Noun

A small hair or other outgrowth from the epidermis of a plant, typically unicellular and glandular.

 

[bilbobonger]

Havin a hard time swallowing the idea that this isn't somekind of pest. To me it looks like something's chewing through my leaves, and FWIW, I have found more of these trichomes or whatever on some of the undersides of the leaves as well near the some of the damaged areas.

Not tryin to sound like a dick, just never heard of trichomes in veg. Plenty of little hairs on the stems and whatnot (guess these fit the def). Just never noticed anything like this. Perhaps I haven't been looking close enough. I've gotten a shit-ton of great info from this site though, and I wouldn't expect to be steered in the wrong direction in consensus like this. So I'm runnin with it... perfectly spherical, pearly white trichomes... in veg...

So as far as the leaf damage, Hammerhead mentioned a possible deformity or something like that. Anyone else agree with this? Meant to get some more pics, but some of the damaged areas look like they've got some strange littel bits of leaf growth (and no, haven't done any topping this time around, but yeah, I've seen similar stuff with the new shoots when I was).

So if this is somekind of deformity, what could've caused this and what can I do to correct it? I did recently spray some heavy chems (Forbid and Avid for what I thought was broad-mites). Feel like a fuqin douche using this kinda shit, but my yields were getting so low, I didn't know what else to do. Karma maybe... Thanks again for all the feedback. Always appreciated.

 

[sirf]

Def doesn't look like anything to worry about too much. Looks like natural leaf deformity esp with no bug evidence.

I have had clones go into a pre flower of sorts and show trichs in veg(also start showing pistils a lil), not sure if its just weak genetics, low light, too much light, or what. But I've seen it.

It could also be residual damage from the Avid/Forbid, stressed the ladies a little too much. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Best of luck

 

[Hempsmoke]

forgot the pic...

Im pretty sure this shows an aphid "skin" (dont know the word now and im to lazy to look it up ) that they leave when they get into another stadium.
But thats the "easy" kind of aphis that live and feed from the leafs.
Spray them 2-3 times with a pyrithrine and neemoil solution and you will get rid of them

Edith says:
The twisting leafs could also be a sign of overwatering
whats your medium?

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks for the tip on the aphids. Will read up, and hit em with some sprays for sure. I'm growing in coco, and I do often get a small amount of preflower before I flip the lights to bloom. Room conditions are far from ideal right now tho. Really crammed, and way bigger than I usually let em grow. Gotta switch some things around and get em outa there.

 

[Hempsmoke]

Ok since your in coco overwatering propably wont be the problem if you dont let them sit in their own drain. The leaf deformation could also be caused by the aphid sucking on the young leafs thats just growing out of the tip of the branch (which bugs like to do, seems like the tip is the tastiest^^).
The leaf wont show "typical" bug damage but those deformations in such a case.
But dont nail it on the bugs, it could also be caused by various environmental conditions eg. a simple drop of water that got on the tip of the branch and evaporated there.

 

[prune]

Looks more like simple "fan on high" leaf damage to me, possibly compounded by low humidity. Early trichome formation is usually a sign of stress, or hormonal problems brought about by plant stimulants.

 

[RetroGrow]

Havin a hard time swallowing the idea that this isn't somekind of pest. To me it looks like something's chewing through my leaves, and FWIW, I have found more of these trichomes or whatever on some of the undersides of the leaves as well near the some of the damaged areas.

Not tryin to sound like a dick, just never heard of trichomes in veg. Plenty of little hairs on the stems and whatnot (guess these fit the def). Just never noticed anything like this. Perhaps I haven't been looking close enough. I've gotten a shit-ton of great info from this site though, and I wouldn't expect to be steered in the wrong direction in consensus like this. So I'm runnin with it... perfectly spherical, pearly white trichomes... in veg...

So as far as the leaf damage, Hammerhead mentioned a possible deformity or something like that. Anyone else agree with this? Meant to get some more pics, but some of the damaged areas look like they've got some strange littel bits of leaf growth (and no, haven't done any topping this time around, but yeah, I've seen similar stuff with the new shoots when I was).

So if this is somekind of deformity, what could've caused this and what can I do to correct it? I did recently spray some heavy chems (Forbid and Avid for what I thought was broad-mites). Feel like a fuqin douche using this kinda shit, but my yields were getting so low, I didn't know what else to do. Karma maybe... Thanks again for all the feedback. Always appreciated.

Broad mites or other microscopic pests & their eggs can be seen with a 100X scope. You should not have treated for broad mites if you didn't see them or their eggs. Having said that, my advice is get a 100X scope or a jeweler's loupe, and then you don't have to guess. Radio Shack has a 100X scope for $10. There are also lots of them on Amazon, cheap. Some kind of microscope is essential now with the crap that's going around.
The damage you're describing does not sound like Broad or Cyclamen mites. However, if something is eating your plants, you should be able to see what it is or their eggs, if any. Hence the need for a scope.
You said your yields were crap. Have you checked your roots? I would pull a plant from it's pot and check roots with a loupe carefully.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks prune, fan sounds like a good bet. I don't usually let em get this tall. Thing's been blastin on em pretty good now for a minute.

 

[bilbobonger]

Broad mites or other microscopic pests & their eggs can be seen with a 100X scope. You should not have treated for broad mites if you didn't see them or their eggs. Having said that, my advice is get a 100X scope or a jeweler's loupe, and then you don't have to guess. Radio Shack has a 100X scope for $10. There are also lots of them on Amazon, cheap. Some kind of microscope is essential now with the crap that's going around.
The damage you're describing does not sound like Broad or Cyclamen mites. However, if something is eating your plants, you should be able to see what it is or their eggs, if any. Hence the need for a scope.
You said your yields were crap. Have you checked your roots? I would pull a plant from it's pot and check roots with a loupe carefully.

Wasn't saying I thought the current damage was due to broad or cyclamen mites. This was a previous issue that seems to be resolved. Just thought the chems I used might have put some added stress on the plants. I do have a loupe, but was unable to id any mites. Just had my hairs dying back super early. My current bloom's the best I've had in awhile. Only about a week to go, and they're lookin awesome. Pretty certain it was mites.

 

[bilbobonger]

Have you checked your roots?

Roots look good as far as I can tell. Still gotta check em with the loupe though.

 

[bilbobonger]

Will pick up a scope tho for sure. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Greenheart]

Whatever you want to call the white dots they are normal to see under magnification even during veg and on the first set of true leaves.


I have also seen deformities similar to your pictures. I am unsure what causes it. I have seen box elders running around in my veg area during these times. A hornet was trapped one summer and the leaves looked like a couple of the pics you posted but overall I would say it is in the roots and not the leaves. It seems to happen more often when I over water with a really rich batch of soil mix. In my experience cutting back the water and giving the roots a chance to recover as well as plucking the offending leaf usually cures most of it.

I don't want to guide you wrong on the deformities. I would however, like to assure you as to not worry about the white dots your seeing on the leaves it is a common thing in my experience to see them.

edit:

Thanks prune, fan sounds like a good bet. I don't usually let em get this tall. Thing's been blastin on em pretty good now for a minute.

Never thought about it myself but my veg room is a bit dry and windy as well. Not ideal but sometimes it just has to be how it is for the way and time it is.

 

[Infinitesimal]

what's with all these bug eggs?

You all get trichomes on your fan-leaves during veg ah? Thanks for the feedback, but these aint trichomes, and if they were, they wouldn't be white in color this early on.

yes I get trichs in veg all the time... those are trichomes... plain and simple.

 

[Weezard]

Inf. is only right ya know!

And that heavy sessile gland production says she's probably female
.
The sessile glands form first, level with the leaf surface, in veg, if it's good weed.
You can get well buzzed smoking a good vegging plant because of those glands.

Then, in flower, the capitate glands form on the tips of the trichomes.
That neatly doubles the volume of resin in, and on, the plant.

I have watched people make bubble hash by knocking the capitate glands off and then throw half of their hard-grown resin away.

I throw that same "spent" trim into a pot of boiling water with some butter and make very potent budder from it.

10 to 12% is a very good yield with cold-water bubble hash.
A QWISO extraction of the same weed yields 20 - 22%!
Think about that while you look up sessile glands.

So, what you have there is a good thing, a natural thing.

If it still looks like "bug eggs" to anyone out there, just scrape 'em off and send them to me.

Aloha,
Weezard

 

[Donald Mallard]

Not tryin to sound like a dick, just never heard of trichomes in veg. .

if you look close enough as youve been able to recently
youll see theres what looks like trichomes without stalks,
right from the onset of growth on some varieties ,
thats what it looks like to me on your pics...

i think its just you are able to see closer than you have before,
have a look at other close ups of plants in veg ,
youll see the same thing ,
if you have a problem at all ,, thats not it ....

 

[bilbobonger]

what's with all these bug eggs?

Yup, time to break out the chems for sure w/this one. That's one dirty bitch you got there...

Ok, so yeah, guess I haven't been looking as closely as I thought. Either that, or this strain puts em out more when stressed. Won't know till I get things straightened out here. But yeah, I've seen this before way back when when growing from seed. Whatever... Just glad it's not eggs. Learn somethin new everyday. Thanks for all the help everybody

 

[Weezard]

Useful information!

Useful information!

Here's the full skinny on trichomes from our archives.

http://www.icmag.com/modules/Tutorials/Harvesting and Curing/1529.htm

Enjoy,
Weeze

 

[Buddle]

This trichrome analogy would all seem logical if you hadn't already had three+ years experience growing this same strain.Seems to me you'd have had at least a glimpse of these trichs in the previous 10+ grows. Let us know what you see with the scope...and good luck.