HELP!! All my clones fell over

[1haole]

Took 37 cuttings last night, dipped in clonex, put into humidity dome with a light misting and woke up this morning to find them all wilted and collapsed!! Had them under fluorescents. Air circulating, supposably everything textbook. What gives????
Dont have a lot of optimum branches left on my girls to retake. Took everything available. I'm thinking this is not normal. I took the dome off and now i'm at a complete loss as what to do. Did I lose them?

 

[HighBurn8]

I had the same problems when I started using clonex.
Now I just cut and stick. no more clonex. problem solved

One question tho..... are you using a heat mat under your dome?
And if so, do you have a thermostat it's plugged into to KEEP the root zone at the right temps constantly?

If not, you should. especially during these winter months.
good luck~

 

[1haole]

No heat mat, I live in Hawaii and my temps in my closet where the clone are hover around 80 degrees. Do you think Clonex is the problem? Everything i've read says the stuff is the bomb!! I dont know what to think, i'm at a complete loss!! Looks like they couldnt hold up under the high humidity but that theory goes against everything i've learned about cloning.
I'm bumming hard right now, dont know my next step.

 

[resinryder]

The ONLY time I've ever lost a single clone was with using clonex. Went right back to kln liquid, 2ml/pint of water, and have never lost a clone with it. I have a friend that uses it and if he wants 10 cuts to root he takes 20 just to be sure. But then there are some people that have great results with it. I'll stick with what I know works for me.
Say you had circulation? Hope the fan wasn't blowing directly on them.

 

[HighBurn8]

I hear ya bruddah, .. been there done that. it really sucks to lose cuttings, especially when they are what you are depending on to do your next run with.

80* sounds about right. a little on the warm side but it's still ok. The idea with cloning is to try and keep the root zone at about 78*-80* while keeping the ambient room temps just a couple degrees cooler and not the other way around. If I were to guess why this happened tho, It was probably be because of the clonex.
Can I ask another question? how much residual clonex was left on the tip of the stem when you stuck each cut into the medium? was there a big glob or just a thin coating after dipping each one?
Also, are you trying to clone in 100% coco?

 

[Treetroit City]

I use Clonex and Rapid Rooters with 100% effectiveness. Done this way for many years.

 

[1haole]

@resinryder / They are under a dome so no direct breeze was on cuttings.
@HighBurn8 / Yes, kinda was a glob! Tried to shake off excess but not much fell off if any.
So yes they were pretty saturated with clones.

 

[1haole]

@Third Coast / I appreciate your reply in confirming that Clonex works for you but do you have any suggestions to why this is happening?

 

[1haole]

Crap!! I have to go to work, will check in again when I arrive. HELP!!!!!

 

[maryj315]

Did you soak them in water for a bit before you put them under the dome? I always soak mine for at least 45 minutes to a hour before they go into the prop.

If I skip this step they wilt and take a couple of days to recover. Just keep the dome on and chill. Its all you can do at this point.

(Get a heat mat)

Mj

 

[1haole]

@ maryj315 / No, I took cutting and placed in water but only until I planted them, approx 5 min tops.

 

[TheArchitect]

Wilting overnight?

Hmm, hard to say, as damping off wouldn't happen that fast. Did the cubes or cloning media have enough moisture?

You said hey had a dome and air circulation? Is the air drying them out?

 

[Holdin']

I've been using clonex for quite a while... in peat pucks, soil, aero, rockwool... rarely ever lose cuttings... never cloned in coco tho (if thats your method). I have had cuttings droop right after being put into the medium but never every single one, just one or two. Was there anything you did differently this time as opposed to your normal cloning routine? Minor techniques i mean.... snipping leaf tips or scuffing the stems etc.

They may just perk right back up.... good luck!

 

[greenmatter]

it's not the clonex .........

put the dome back on and get the humidity back up. IME they need water in the air more than they need air circulation for the first couple of days

 

[Kcar]

You never said what you poked your cuttings into.

 

[intotheunknown]

i would look into environmental conditions...
IMO 75-78*
keep the humidity up
lose the fan
make sure you have enough moisture in your plugs.

 

[Jbonez]

Any pics?

When taking cuts using clonex, be sure not to use to much..

Keep the dome on em a couple days, they dont need any fresh air the first few days, 80F, 80% RH and you cant fail....

I dont mist my cuttings and I use rooting powder, dome off in 2-3 days, rootes in 5-6..


OP, got any pics?

 

[1haole]

@ TheArchitect / Plenty of moisture in the dome, The medium (coco) was wet, I misted the cuttings and the inside of the dome before I put it on. I was thinking too much moisture.
The fan was directed over the dome and under the lights.
@ Holdin' / This is my first time cloning as I am a greenhorn!! Lol...... I should ad that not every single one fell, out of 37 I'd say 30 dropped so a very high percentage to say the least. When I got home from work last night a couple of them recovered. There might be hope yet!!!
@ greenmatter / Thanks for the advise and thats exactly what I did! I'll let everyone know how they look this morning when I go check on them in a couple of hours. (It's 5:30am here in Hawaii)
@ Kcar / Coco my friend.

 

[1haole]

@ intotheunknown / Thanks for the advice, it around 80-84 degrees and 90% humidity. and I did unplug the fan last night. I let you know how there looking in a little bit.
@ Jbonez / No pics, just imagine fresh cuttings that fell over flat on the surface of my coco. If you dont mist your cuttings I would have to assume that you keep your medium very wet to keep your humidity high. Thanks for your advice!!

 

[Jbonez]

Correct 1haole.

I use little plastic mouthwash cups filled with coco. I prepare a 1ml micro 2ml bloom solution ph'd to 5.5. I pour the solution into the little coco cups and let it soak through for a bit. Then I use a pen or something pointy to make a hole, dip my cuttings in rooting powder and put them in, carefully pushing down on the coco around the cuttings.

They go in a cheap upside down plastic container and I dont take them off for a couple days, I have a hole in the container to drop a temp probe in and I keep the temps at 80F, the humidity in the dome will stay high cuz there is not air exchange, I never mist my cuttings...