Bug damage. Anyone know what this is?

[bilbobonger]

I can see what looks like eggs under a loop. Can kinda make em out in a couple of the pics here. Haven't noticed any on the bottoms of the leaves. Just on the top. Thanks for the time.

 

[Hammerhead]

We need to see the under side of the leaf. All/most bugs will be there. I dont really see any bug damage.Look more like some deformity going on.. If you have RA you need to look at the roots...It looks very minor right now.. I see some tip burning though

 

[bilbobonger]

Ok, thanks for the reply. I'll get some shots of the undersides of the leaves later this evening, but most of the damage appears to be on the top. Man... looks like a lot of damage to me. The leaves look mangled. Tons of bite marks or whatever and all twisted up, and yes, I'm referring to the white dots. Maybe I'm wrong, but they look like eggs. See if I can get a pic better zoomed in here. RA = root aphids?

 

[Hammerhead]

yes root Aphids... I get twisted leaves on some strains. I dont see anything that looks like it was biten or chewed on.

 

[bilbobonger]

I've been growing this same strain for several years now. I get maybe a little twisting if I have the lights too close, but nothing like this. What could the light colored scrape marks be if not bug damage? I'll get some more pics here in a few. Here's another zoomed in a bit more.

 

[bilbobonger]

forgot the pic...

 

[bilbobonger]

Is there something here that points to root aphids?

 

[bilbobonger]

Ok, missed what you said about deformity. Wouldn't this be something that would be with the cut from the get though?

 

[bilbobonger]

Some more pics...

 

[Hammerhead]

not necessarily. If you rule out bugs then it could be a recessive trait/Nutrient imbalance. Not all plants within the same line will always grow the same. Sometimes there one off's thats get trigger by????. Make sure you are bug free first then you can look for other options if it gets worce.

 

[RetroGrow]

The white dots in Picture number 4 above are plain to see. Has to be some kind of mite egg, although those are usually found on the underside. Distorted growth can be caused by broad mites, but those eggs would be on the underside of the leaves. It's either some kind of egg or fungal spores. I would get a 100X scope on it.

 

[bilbobonger]

Thanks RetroGrow-

Will see about gettin a better scope. Didn't think about fungal spores. Thinkin these's gotta be somekinda eggs tho with all the leaf damage. Looks like bite marks to me. Gotta dig through the infirmary pics on here and see if I can find a match.

I did have what I thought were broad mites. Never did id the things tho. Had pistols dying back prematurely. Hit em with some chems awhile back. Seemed to take care of things. No more hairs dying back early. Whatever this is, I've never had it before. There's a little bit of damage here and there in my bloom area, but it's mainly in veg. Shit's lookin pretty haggered. Gotta get em flipped over to 12s asap. Already a lot bigger than I usually let em go. I wanna address this issue first tho. Find out what I need to spray or whatever.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Ok, thanks for the reply. I'll get some shots of the undersides of the leaves later this evening, but most of the damage appears to be on the top. Man... looks like a lot of damage to me. The leaves look mangled. Tons of bite marks or whatever and all twisted up, and yes, I'm referring to the white dots. Maybe I'm wrong, but they look like eggs. See if I can get a pic better zoomed in here. RA = root aphids?

The white dots I see are very regular and uniform, they appear to be small trichomes to me and I would not suggest they're eggs at all. Most bugs lay their eggs right up next to each other and in far less prominent positions than right on top of the leaf, again suggesting this is likely simply a natural part of the plant.

The deformities and twists could be linked to pH being out of range, or what's 'preferred' by the plant.

 

[Hammerhead]

I agree with SM, The white dots I get those all the time.. Im sure I have them now...Bugs that leave damage makes it more obvious.

 

[Treetroit City]

Agree with the white dots... just trichomes... nothing to worry about.

Are these inside or out? Gotta cat lol?

 

[bilbobonger]

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[bilbobonger]

Thanks for the replies, but these are definitely not trichomes. Plants are still in veg. So eggs aside, in the second pic in my first post, that really doesn't look like insect damage to anyone? I can see how maybe some of the twisting and whatnot could be due to pH, but not all the leaf damage. Yes, they're inside, growing in coco. No cat lol.

 

[SeaMaiden]

No, it doesn't look like insect or other pest damage to me, not without something else to go along with it.

How do you know those are definitely not trichomes?

Definition of trichome:
Noun
A small hair or other outgrowth from the epidermis of a plant, typically unicellular and glandular.

 

[bilbobonger]

You all get trichomes on your fan-leaves during veg ah? Thanks for the feedback, but these aint trichomes, and if they were, they wouldn't be white in color this early on.

 

[wildgrow]

Yet another vote for trichs.

Sometimes I see some damage like this. Its usually a result of my manhandling the ladies. Other times Im sure its from topping.

I like to top as close to the node as possible and the scissors sometimes knick the tiny off-shoots. Once the leaves mature, that tiny knick turns the leaves into a less than perfect specimen.