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Administration Weighs Legal Action Against States That Legalized Marijuana Use

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New York Times
December 6th.

WASHINGTON — Senior White House and Justice Department officials are considering plans for legal action against Colorado and Washington that could undermine voter-approved initiatives to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in those states, according to several people familiar with the deliberations.

Even as marijuana legalization supporters are celebrating their victories in the two states, the Obama administration has been holding high-level meetings since the election to debate the response of federal law enforcement agencies to the decriminalization efforts.

Marijuana use in both states continues to be illegal under the federal Controlled Substances Act. One option is to sue the states on the grounds that any effort to regulate marijuana is pre-empted by federal law. Should the Justice Department prevail, it would raise the possibility of striking down the entire initiatives on the theory that voters would not have approved legalizing the drug without tight regulations and licensing similar to controls on hard alcohol.

Some law enforcement officials, alarmed at the prospect that marijuana users in both states could get used to flouting federal law openly, are said to be pushing for a stern response. But such a response would raise political complications for President Obama because marijuana legalization is popular among liberal Democrats who just turned out to re-elect him.

“It’s a sticky wicket for Obama,” said Bruce Buchanan, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Austin, saying any aggressive move on such a high-profile question would be seen as “a slap in the face to his base right after they’ve just handed him a chance to realize his presidential dreams.”

Federal officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter. Several cautioned that the issue had raised complex legal and policy considerations — including enforcement priorities, litigation strategy and the impact of international antidrug treaties — that remain unresolved, and that no decision was imminent.

The Obama administration declined to comment on the deliberations, but pointed to a statement the Justice Department issued on Wednesday — the day before the initiative took effect in Washington — in the name of the United States attorney in Seattle, Jenny A. Durkan. She warned Washington residents that the drug remained illegal.

“In enacting the Controlled Substances Act, Congress determined that marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance,” she said. “Regardless of any changes in state law, including the change that will go into effect on December 6 in Washington State, growing, selling or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law.”

Ms. Durkan’s statement also hinted at the deliberations behind closed doors, saying: “The Department of Justice is reviewing the legalization initiatives recently passed in Colorado and Washington State. The department’s responsibility to enforce the Controlled Substances Act remains unchanged.”

Federal officials have relied on their more numerous state and local counterparts to handle smaller marijuana cases. In reviewing how to respond to the new gap, the interagency task force — which includes Justice Department headquarters, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the State Department and the offices of the White House Counsel and the director of National Drug Control Policy — is considering several strategies, officials said.

One option is for federal prosecutors to bring some cases against low-level marijuana users of the sort they until now have rarely bothered with, waiting for a defendant to make a motion to dismiss the case because the drug is now legal in that state. The department could then obtain a court ruling that federal law trumps the state one.

A more aggressive option is for the Justice Department to file lawsuits against the states to prevent them from setting up systems to regulate and tax marijuana, as the initiatives contemplated. If a court agrees that such regulations are pre-empted by federal ones, it will open the door to a broader ruling about whether the regulatory provisions can be “severed” from those eliminating state prohibitions — or whether the entire initiatives must be struck down.

Another potential avenue would be to cut off federal grants to the states unless their legislatures restored antimarijuana laws, said Gregory Katsas, who led the civil division of the Justice Department during the George W. Bush administration.

Mr. Katsas said he was skeptical that a pre-emption lawsuit would succeed. He said he was also skeptical that it was necessary, since the federal government could prosecute marijuana cases in those states regardless of whether the states regulated the drug.

Still, federal resources are limited. Under the Obama administration, the Justice Department issued a policy for handling states that have legalized medical marijuana. It says federal officials should generally not use their limited resources to go after small-time users, but should for large-scale trafficking organizations. The result has been more federal raids on dispensaries than many liberals had expected.

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Tony Aroma

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This is non-news. All it says is the Feds are thinking about it, but have made no decisions yet. Already knew that. They have several options. Knew that too. Definitely no news here.
 

megayields

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Yes thank you for the posting..SOME of us want to be informed rather than just spout..."old news"....(sigh)..ignorance is a terrible thing to witness.
 

dddaver

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The feds very obviously will try to formulate a plan based on thinking they know the outcome before they make ANY move. Especially given the hugely political leaning the US gov't has become, and given the fact that is what they have done for over a hundred years now. And that's to be expected what they will do. But they have been wrong the MAJORITY of times trying to do that.

And the facts here are just a little different from the gov't usual blunders. They screwed the pooch from day one and have caused way more harm than good.

The only thing they SHOULD do is remove marijuana from Sched. I, and then let the chips fall where they may. Any other moves will result in huge backlash.

All that shit about treaties and cover their ass is secondary. The US gov't chooses now to honor their treaties? Bullshit.

Whatever the feds do or don't do will be met with contempt by someone. Reading about all the legalese bullshit just seems to me like a bunch of clueless bastards running around banging into each other with their "high-level" talks. What crap. How about doing the right thing for once and doing what the people want and need?

The fact is money is the real issue at stake. And they are taking about how to get the biggest portion of the pie. THAT'S the real issue at hand. :woohoo:
 

Capt.Ahab

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"Another potential avenue would be to cut off federal grants to the states unless their legislatures restored antimarijuana laws,"

Here you go.

If they cut off the freebies from DC the states will crumble and give in. Its like taking away a tweakers supply. They will do anything for the next fix. The states will get on their knees and blow the feds on the proverbial street corner if that is what it takes.


The states need to man up and tell the feds they are prepared to protect their citizens and the will of the voters from the feds. should their storm troopers show up.

Personally, I would love to see a local/statecop vs. fed confrontation.

Sometimes secession seems to be the only answer.
 

Keep goin

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The only thing they SHOULD do is remove marijuana from Sched. I, and then let the chips fall where they may.

The fact is money is the real issue at stake.

This is the REAL issue...big pharma has their claws so deep in the Federal system and they will protect their 750 billion/ year "industry" with ALL their power. And that's A LOT!!

They can't figure out the most basic operational concepts of gov't. We got elected now we have a mandate....Oh you got elected, well that's not a mandate...

And Obama is full of shit anyway...better than the alternative, but not by much! He's in bed with big business and corporate interests as much as any politician...just depends on "which ones". Socialist, progressive, etc...just "scare tactics" of the ultra right wing media that has everyone convinced there is a liberal media.

He won't do anything progressive, or "different" than any other federally elected official. This country is way to polarized for any federal movement to actually take place.

The schedule 1 issue IS the main problem...!! If you look at the definition cannabis does NOT qualify!! It's plain and simple!

But waiting for politicians to "man up" and do the right thing is like waiting for the sun to turn purple...I'm not holding my breath.

Remember the line from Blazing Saddles..."We have to protect our phony baloney jobs gentlemen!"...

I didn't get a harumph from that guy.

It's funny to talk about it on a weed forum site though...
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oldchuck

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I expect there is more to be learned from what the Feds do rather than what they say. Like, I'm wondering what the DEA and the rest of them are actually doing right now in Washington and Colorado. Is anybody getting busted or are they sitting on their gun belts waiting for Obama to make a grand decision? I should try and do a little research on that.
 

LayedBack

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Go ahead, show us our votes don't matter for shit. It will only backfire at this point. Marijuana prohibition is on it's way out the fucking door for the entire country, it's only a matter of time. So these self entitled political shit heads can just go tell the most violent criminal organization in the world (THE CARTEL) that they will have to get their money elsewhere.
 

LayedBack

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Go ahead, show us our votes don't matter for shit. It will only backfire at this point. Marijuana prohibition is on it's way out the fucking door for the entire country, it's only a matter of time. So these self entitled political shit heads can just go tell the most violent criminal organization in the world (THE CARTEL) that they will have to get their money elsewhere.

You know it's all over when the BIG CHEESE (obama and major players) won't even speak about it now. They realize it's fuckin' check mate and they will only look like power mongers at this point if they try anything stupid.

This is the REAL issue...big pharma has their claws so deep in the Federal system and they will protect their 750 billion/ year "industry" with ALL their power. And that's A LOT!!

Well I say good fuckin' luck to them. They might have billions of dollars but the Feds don't have SHIT without local law enforcement LMAO. Good game, no rematch.

Seriously though the rich bastards in the DEA, private prisons, medical industry, AND the Cartel CANNOT stop us now. It doesn't matter what they fucking think, the people have spoken and will continue to speak until the entire country is where it needs to be!.

I think a lot of people don't yet realize just how effective it was to actually pass legalization bills in 2 states. Everyone is expecting the feds to pull something out of their ass and you know what, I don't think that's gonna happen.
 

paper thorn

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The only thing they SHOULD do is remove marijuana from Sched. I, and then let the chips fall where they may. Any other moves will result in huge backlash...


keep goin said:
The schedule 1 issue IS the main problem...!! If you look at the definition cannabis does NOT qualify!! It's plain and simple!

Being on the Controlled Substances Act schedule at all is the problem.

A move to Sched 2 would mean only doctors could prescribe it and only pharmacies could sell it. and probably not in raw form. It would be like Methamphetamine, rarely prescribed. And still illegal for almost everyone.
 

kaotic

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Obama will be looking to please corporate interests without being able to be blamed for overturning the voters will. He will pass the buck and let the dirty work be done by someone else. He is no longer worried about his next term, but you know who he has to please to be profitable after the end of his second term. He's already played the corporate welfare card with plenty of company's, it's a predictor as to how he will earn a living after being president. He can't piss off his base, his handlers and the people who will be paying him millions to do speeches in the future. He needs a "clean" record when he leaves office and stomping on his base will not help. The burden of this job will be lain upon case law in the quietest way possible. He will NOT make a big public stink of this.
 

Tony Aroma

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Yes thank you for the posting..SOME of us want to be informed rather than just spout..."old news"....(sigh)..ignorance is a terrible thing to witness.

I said it is "no news" not old news. Just because it's in the NYT doesn't necessarily make it significant or informative. It's like when there's some accident or tragedy and they don't yet know the outcome, the media keeps repeating the same stuff hoping you'll stay tuned. In this case, it's the NYT repeating what's been said many times before by many others. "News" is telling us what HAS happened, this is just some background info along with some speculation about what MIGHT happen.
 

huligun

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One of the tenants of the democratic party is a strong central government.

Probably the biggest concern is making sure the fed gets their share of the pie.

Nothing is free, especially with government. I predict some kind of bargaining that includes an excise tax.
 
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