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Buzzkill: Feds fire warning shot over pot legalization

yortbogey

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Buzzkill: Feds fire warning shot over pot legalization

Washington State's new law makes it legal for adults to possess up to one ounce of marijuana, but some speculate the federal government will prosecute those who use marijuana on federal land because federal law prohibits marijuana use. NBC's Kristen Dahlgren reports.
With marijuana possession now legal in Washington state, and soon in Colorado too, residents face a confusing mishmash of federal and state laws when it comes to whether and where they can get high.


That's because the federal government still bans pot growing and possession, regardless of what state laws say.
Last night, just hours before legislation legalizing pot in her state went into effect, U.S. Attorney Jenny A. Durkan of Washington warned residents that "growing, selling or possessing any amount of marijuana remains illegal under federal law."
Her words could be a buzzkill for Washington's pot-lovers, yet at midnight -- the moment Washington's law went into effect -- marijuana smokers lit up beneath Seattle's Space Needle, reveling in the joy of living in a state that allows possession of pot, even if state law still says it is illegal to smoke it in public.


"It's too good to be just for the young," Pat Edmonson, 67, of Whidbey Island, Wash., said as she smoked marijuana in Seattle's City Center with a crowd of about 100 others who were lighting up, despite the no-pot-in-public rule.
State leaders have appealed to the Justice Department for guidance.

Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes encouraged celebrants to enjoy their highs inside closed doors.
"I think that they should acknowledge this newfound right," he told NPR station KUOW. "I think they should celebrate in the privacy of their homes if they choose to do so. And be thankful that we’re no longer arresting some 10,000 Washingtonians a year in the state of Washington and spending well over $100 million in law enforcement resources on that."
In Colorado, a measuring legalizing marijuana use and possession for those over 21 will go into effect next month. But one place where federal laws will have an impact: college campuses.
"In order not to lose federal funds, we need to comply with federal law," University of Colorado at Boulder spokeswoman Malinda Hiller-Huey told The Denver Post.
College students on campuses across the state will be issued criminal tickets if they are found with marijuana, The Post reported. Off-campus, however, students of legal age will be able to grow and use small amounts of marijuana, per the new amendment, according to the University of Colorado.
While Colorado's new weed measure doesn't have any provisions about driving under the influence built into it, Washington state will have a zero-tolerance policy.
"We've had decades of studies and experience with alcohol," Washington State Patrol spokesman Dan Coon told The Associated Press. "Marijuana is new, so it's going to take some time to figure out how the courts and prosecutors are going to handle it. But the key is impairment: We will arrest drivers who drive impaired, whether it be drugs or alcohol."
It's unclear whether the Justice Department will try to stop the decriminalization of pot in Washington and Colorado. The laws in both states allow adults 21 and older to possess a small amount of marijuana, which will be sold in state-licensed stores and taxed heavily, potentially bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars a year for school, health care and government needs.
Before the vote passed in his state, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper acknowledged the legal challenges his state would face.
"It's probably going to pass, but it's still illegal on a federal basis. If we can't make it legal here because of federal laws, we certainly want to decriminalize it,” he told NBC’s Brian Williams.
Seventeen states and the District of Columbia already have laws allowing for the medical use of marijuana, according to the National Council of Legislatures. The measures in Washington and Colorado go a step further, explicitly allowing people to smoke pot for more than just medicinal purposes.



 

DIDM

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well they won't be able to use state resources


so since we are broke as fuck, the money to federally enforce it will be hard to come by. Also, there are no stores selling it now, so what exactly can they do?

This movement is too big to stop, more than half the population want it regulated and taxed, and we are at 17+ states and DC with medical

2 legal states

7 states looking at legalization and regulation


by 2015 this fight will be over and we will all breathe a little better
 

megayields

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Uhhh you keep poking that bear....he's gunna swing back and really put the hurt on you, they can hold back ALL kinds of monies states get and NOT spend a dime and you think it's bad now??? Lol...wait till they cut off a but load of educational monies......your going to hear an uproar from the quit middle classes when Johnny has a crappy school and no books...
 
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SeaMaiden

California has a lot of national park land. It is while driving on public highways/freeways through this national park land that many, many people are busted by the feds. It's already happening. Don't toke or carry on federal land for now.
 

LeeROI

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I'm old enough to remember when Montana was forced into the 55 mph speed limit or risk losing federal highway money. Montana was also forced to raise the minimum drinking age to 21 under the same threat, IIRC.

I'm not happy about the 5 ng "impairment" rule but I do think it gives Washington state a solid defense against losing federal highway funds.

Time will tell . . .
 

Hydrosun

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I'm old enough to remember when Montana was forced into the 55 mph speed limit or risk losing federal highway money. Montana was also forced to raise the minimum drinking age to 21 under the same threat, IIRC.

I'm not happy about the 5 ng "impairment" rule but I do think it gives Washington state a solid defense against losing federal highway funds.

Time will tell . . .

My understanding is that it is 5ng of THC, not a metabolite SO if true the test will be weather or not the person is actually HIGH, not that they smoked days ago.

All that being said I have no idea how much smoking it takes to get 5ng into my system and I know for certain that alch not cannabis impairs driving.

The first few impaired cannabis driver cases in WA will be very important.

:joint:
 

Puffaluffagus

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we'll see what happens when the first "driving high" case gets fought in court.

We have a family friend who is very well off and loves fast cars and drives them that way, usually after having a few drinks.
I can't even begin to count how many speeding tickets and dwi's he's had, but what he also has is a great attorney, goes to court on everything, and beats it every time.
They argue the validity/accuracy of the test, and a bunch of other stuff to cast reasonable doubt, and out the door he goes.
I think i good attorney should be able to beat a driving high case pretty easy.
 

vapedg13

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we'll see what happens when the first "driving high" case gets fought in court.

We have a family friend who is very well off and loves fast cars and drives them that way, usually after having a few drinks.
I can't even begin to count how many speeding tickets and dwi's he's had, but what he also has is a great attorney, goes to court on everything, and beats it every time.
They argue the validity/accuracy of the test, and a bunch of other stuff to cast reasonable doubt, and out the door he goes.
I think i good attorney should be able to beat a driving high case pretty easy.

Yep but guess who gets to pay the attorney fees for a good lawyer your looking at 5-10 g...the average joe medical patient or citizen cant usually afford that... its public defender time

you all here about how fox news is setting up marijuana driving test ...fixing the test results :)
 

Wise

Member
This movement is too big to stop, more than half the population want it regulated and taxed, and we are at 17+ states and DC with medical

2 legal states

7 states looking at legalization and regulation


by 2015 this fight will be over and we will all breathe a little better
What states are considering legalization and regulation?
 

RockyMountainHi

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we'll see what happens when the first "driving high" case gets fought in court.

Yeah, but how do we differentuate between the high vs stupid?

The stoners I have know that wrecked - did so straight or stoned.

And don't get me started with cell phones behind the wheel.

Who would you rather have behind you, an aware stoner or somebody playing with a cellphone?
 

Hash Zeppelin

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I'm old enough to remember when Montana was forced into the 55 mph speed limit or risk losing federal highway money. Montana was also forced to raise the minimum drinking age to 21 under the same threat, IIRC.

I'm not happy about the 5 ng "impairment" rule but I do think it gives Washington state a solid defense against losing federal highway funds.

Time will tell . . .

well it didnt work with alcohol prohibition. a few states legalized, and made a killing, and told the federal cash cow to fuck off. same thing will probably happen with herb. there is no monetary gain in telling the feds to fuck off over speed limit or 3 years difference in drinking age.
 

DIDM

Malaika
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Uhhh you keep poking that bear....he's gunna swing back and really put the hurt on you, they can hold back ALL kinds of monies states get and NOT spend a dime and you think it's bad now??? Lol...wait till they cut off a but load of educational monies......your going to hear an uproar from the quit middle classes when Johnny has a crappy school and no books...


CO expects to make enough off taxes to be just fine getting cut off




wait till the states start threatening their goods if their is not a full federal legalization. The states in favor, well they hold all the real cards, the states against are full of idiots, not everyone is an idiot, but they are run by them.


funny how technology is ruled by stoners, proves marijuana doesn't make you stupid. As Joe Rogan so correctly put it

''weed doesn't take away your motivation, it takes away your motivation to do shit that fuckin sucks''
~Joe Rogan
 

DIDM

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My understanding is that it is 5ng of THC, not a metabolite SO if true the test will be weather or not the person is actually HIGH, not that they smoked days ago.

All that being said I have no idea how much smoking it takes to get 5ng into my system and I know for certain that alch not cannabis impairs driving.

The first few impaired cannabis driver cases in WA will be very important.

:joint:

I'm gonna make a gum that is full of enzymes that break down THC in the mouth

fuck them bastards
 

yortbogey

To Have More ... Desire Less
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I'd agree.... if the feds get flaky w/ there funding....
WA state should just cut them off from all there legal crops the rest of the country depend on....IE: Washington State APPLES...

~~~ Washington's 39,500 farms power a diverse agricultural economy, led by the state's apple industry with 60 percent of U.S. production.



these are 2011 final $$$... but U can see the financial ~impact

Top 10 Commodity 2011 Value of Production
Apples 1 $1.83 (billion)
Milk $1.28 (billion)
Wheat $1.14 (billion)
Potatoes $ 771 (million)
Hay $ 714 (million)
Cattle/Calves $ 592 (million)
Cherries $ 534 (million)
Nursery/Greenhouses $ 306 (million)
Grapes $ 189 (million)
Pears 1 $ 186 (million)

just sell the stuff to Canada 1st at discount prices.......

let the shit~storm begin............................
 

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