Garage grow, keeping it warm in winter

[BasementGrower]

use a flip flop.. and run double flower rooms in winter.. and half during summer.. instead of wasting money on space heaters or anything. use the energy for more lights.. and just run them 24 7 ..


woops only read page 1 then replied .. i agree with DHF

 

[unregistered190]

Any reason you cant heat your garage with your house furnace? I pulled an extra 10" line off my house ac/heat just in case for my garage grows in the past. You don't have to have a thermostat in the garage, just the added heat will help a lot. Good luck.

i think this is a good idea.....if the furnace can keep up. most are oversized so shouldn't be a problem.

 

[orion6324]

With that much room set up identical fliprooms with a lungroom to pump in and suck out "perfect" environment 24/7/365....and.....

As stated above , with flip rooms as 1 room turns off , the other kicks on where there`s always ambient heatgain from the lights on room to help maintain the lights off room......

Plant 1 room a month or so behind the other strain dependent and Harvey perpetually every month +/- once the ball starts rollin....but.....

Air exchange twice per minute and environmental equipment such as foggers/whole house humidifiers to maintain 70% humidity till after stretch , and then adequate dehuey to drop RH below 50% till end of cycle will take yas a long way in controlling bottomline yields in the long run.......and.....Proper watts per sq ft along with mini-splits for total temp control if yas can put em in the budget...or..Oil filled radiators with thermostats till able to upgrade .....and...

Lungrooms are the shit....especially if yas got the room like you do Bro........

Holler if I can help.....

Peace......DHF...............Edit:......Good call on the raised floor in colder winter environments with concrete slabs......I always kept my plants on the slabs but live in the dirty dirty hell of the deep south and it didn`t enter in as a factor....anything to keep rootzone temps warm is a good thingy....

Lungrooms? I think I missed that somewhere, can you go into detail a little on a lungroom? All excelent ideas man, thanks alot, I'm thinking I'm gonna go 3-4k on wattage. If you can, please, go into detail on how you would design such room, hell drawing would be great, lol.

 

[orion6324]

OK, after all the good ideas from you guys I'm starting to think about a redesign now, so here is what I have, use this sketch and the info from before and go nuts boys, lets redesign this thing.

 

[Green Sky]

I use my root cellar to grow. I have a space of 4' x 4 x 14' to grow. I put a pallet under each of my two 4'X4' tents for insulation. I have a Lumitech 600 watt HPS in each. I alternate them on a 12/12 schedule every day 6 months of the year. I run 9 or 10 plants in each flower tent ( i should run only 6 in each, or do a true rotation like Verdant green does)_. I run a 6" inline fan off of a "french Drain" box so there is a source of air exchange.

I wish I could do a 1K in each tent or even have 3 tents like that. A 3 weeks rotation would be SICK!!!

* edit - DHF - I think you are god

 

[DHF]

When I grew in basements , I built a wall at the very back from side to side and ended up with around 12' x 32'....then.....

Built 2 identical fliprooms with 50 watts per sq ft a month apart in age so I could Harvey every 4-5 weeks strain dependent and keep the ball rollin....

All that extra sq ftg behind said wall was considered a "lung room" to condition and create "perfect environment" to get pumped into and sucked out of each lights on as well as lights off room @ twice per minute ftw......

ALL equipment as in a/c`s , heaters if needed , dehueys , etc , etc . should be in place to dial said areas during all extreme weather conditions outside......

Grow areas should be perfect....period......Environment means more than blastin light at yer plants , but with only 3-4 KW to start with , yas need ta start small and employ 50 watts per sq ft with air exchange twice per minute........anyways......

Good luck.....DHF.........

 

[orion6324]

Ahhhh, condition a seperate room to pump the air from and into each flower room when needed...F'n PERFECT. Wow DHF that's F'n great. Ok DHF now for your next homework project. Take the sketch I drew and sketch me something showing how you would design this grow space. Flower rooms, Veg, clone, etc. Do this for me and your my hero forever, lol. That big fan will change the air in about 10 secs so I'm good on air exchange I think. You could even figure how much wattage for each room if your feeling frisky. Again thanks for the help everyone, shes gonna be better than she was now.

 

[orion6324]

I had to share this with you guys. It's from a grow about 5 years ago under a 600 in a basement. Can't imagine what ima be able to do with this new room.

 

[DHF]

Can`t see yer pics of sketchup due to my proxy server Bro.........All pics gotta be uploaded to the site before I can view em.......and.......

I can`t sketch shit..........I can barely type and post lol , but....You can take my shit to the bank if you`re able to just pay attention to details........

Always loveta help new folks dial their setups.........Anything I can do ta help just holler.........

The path to Nirvana can be traveled faster if yas follow the rules.........

Filter my posts and or come visit vert forums........ lotta good shit in the twisted kid`s bare bulb playground......anyways...

Hereta help.....DHF............

 

[orion6324]

Ok, pics are loaded to this site on my profile so you can see em. And yes, I'll be paying attention and be questioning from time to time. Tell me if you find the pics.

 

[Treetroit City]

Question for DHF if you don't mind. If one room needs 70% humidity and the other 40%, how do you accomplish that if you are controlling the environment of the lung room?

 

[DHF]

Question for DHF if you don't mind. If one room needs 70% humidity and the other 40%, how do you accomplish that if you are controlling the environment of the lung room?

Humidifier/Fogger in 1 room if needed during stretch , and dehuey`s in the late flower finishing rooms Bro........

Takes some tweaking . but waay doable........Where I live it`s 80-90% RH constant so I had VPD built in ftw.........

Anything below 50% during late bloomage is optimum till chop....and....the lungrooms only provided constant ambient temps and RH to a certain degree.......

Environmental equipment are necessary to take care of the rest........

Peace....DHF...............

 

[wolfhoundaddy]

propagation mats

propagation mats

Good on the heat mats. I searched up diy heat mats. You can make them out of rope light.

 

[wildgrow]

Everybodys advice is sound. I especially like the idea of flip-flopping, I hadnt thought of that one.

flip-flop, raised floor (Id even put them up on milk crates too), run lights at night, heat mats

I think the combination of all of them might get you through. Consider not growing in the coldest 2 months. This will give you lots of time to clean and improve your setup.

Edit: Did you say it was 30' long? How about a 10' veg room then a 10' lung/supplies/work room and then a 10' flower room, flip flopped so the heat of 1 can be used to heat the other? Sorry if someone already said it - my thoughts just flew.

 

[orion6324]

Thanks wildgrow, yes, I to think all ideas are great, especially the lung room. Just why I posted here. My thouhgs so far are building a nice size flower room and then having the veg room AS the lung room, .....Thoughts?

 

[Harabec]

~Orion

My thouhgs so far are building a nice size flower room and then having the veg room AS the lung room, .....Thoughts?

Thought I would pitch in here since it seems like your flow of thoughts was quite similiar to mine. I ended up building a lung room and will be using it as a lung/veg room (although I am controlling the environment further within the lung room). I did not want the massive space utilization of flip flopping so I had to consolidated vegging requirements into the lung room, although the lion's share of the vegging will be in my rdwc in the main room.

I live in area where the winters are cold and I am resigned to pulling in cold winter air so my lung room will stabilize temps and allow my main room to be as consistent as possible.

I chose to build a 5' x 5' lung room within my 12' x 12' room, cold air is pulled in through a dedicated intake straight into the lung room where it will mix with air being pulled across my 3 1kw lights with a passive intake going back into the main room. I am not flip flopping as it does not fit my desired setup. By doing this, I am using the air heated by 3 1kw lights to heat up the cold winter air. Obviously a space heater is needed for dark periods but a well insulated room should be able to be somewhat efficient, my only downfall is my exposed concrete floors.

Hopefully something in here is useful to you.

 

[DHF]

If yas can be happy with 1 crop every couple months or so AFTER adequate vegtime , then the veg area can be used as a means to provide controlled ambient temps into the bloom room......but.....

If yas build 2 identical flip rooms with lights goin on and off every 12 hrs , and stagger the planting by a month or so strain dependent AND maintain a separate area for mom , clone , pre-veg as a lung area ........

Yas can pull harveys perpetually every month or so and have product available consistently , instead of waiting for 1 room to finish and then havin to clean it up , re-plant , and then wait another 8-10 weeks strain dependent for another crop to finish......anyways....my 2 cents from all them yrs once again.........

Good luck....DHF............

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

roflmao, i cant believe it!!

roflmao, i cant believe it!!

Ok, so my grow is in my newly build garage in the mountains of Colorado. For the warmer months im sure the lights will work for keeping it warm. But, in the winter, when the lights are off, what is my best bet on keeping it warm in the winter when lights are out? Small space heaters? Or something else? Thanks in advance.

dude!!!!!

you and i are in the exact same boat with our grows/rooms!!! i just finished "partitioning" my garage for this very same reason. nothing is finished about mine though.

it "had" garage doors on either end till i sealed up the one side where the grow is gonna be, it was a easy decision cause the door was dilapidated anyway. i have a crossbeam that i hung a double sided tarp from to properly separate the spaces, although theres a slight slope on teh roof of it, it pretty measures out to 10x12x9.

so right now its: a dbl sided tarp/two cinderblock walls/ one boarded up door-wall. alll i have left to do is deals up the spaces/ cracks/crevices to air/light tight it and then cut some intake vents near the bottom of the wall/door

anyway, i was thinking bout getting one of those propane heaters, i know that they give off CO2 but i figure since the plants are gonna be in there it would only benefit them right? and i would only burn it at night, or lights off, when the temps are at their most cold

i decided that i just wouldnt do any runs during the cold, maybe a couple of moms and cuts for when the season changes BUT if i could find a cheap effective way to warm things up then i could grow year round. a space eater aint gonna do shit for what ive got going on

i do plan to put up walls and insulation when teh finances become available to do so. for right now all i need is that 1000cfm vent fan and im pretty much done with the bulk of what i need to be ready for the season.

sorry for rambling, just cool to see someone else trying to combat the same issue.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

im actually begging at this point, can we please post pics/ give dimensions/schematics/ or any manner of specifics of how a "lung room" should be built or what it looks like. dont get me wrong, i can read, BUT im a visual learner.

can anyone shoot/interject a pic for the thread of their own? hell, even if its a couple lines put together in MSpaint, i dont care!!!

ive got the whole winter to build what i can before the seasons change and i can start growing again. i plan to put up the vent fan, so maybe if i have the materials laying around i could put something up for a "lung room"?

 

[eyes]

best way to heat a garage of that size is a wall mount propane heater or a propane forced air furnace(stand alone for mobile holmes with vents on the bottom)buy a few propane tanks-100 lbs at the box stores and daisy chain em together. make sure you figure out the right regulator for the heater or furnace you are running. id have someone professional set it up before you even build a grow in the garage so you know it works properly. dont rent tanks- buy your own. if you are young and strong, when there empty, load em in your truck and fill em where they fill bbq tanks. problem solved. the bonus is all that co2 as well.