Organic Soil problems

[GrowNut]

Im having issues with my Ak-47 and MOB clones in organic soil, They are drooping heavily, and displaying multiple deficiencies.

These just went through a transplant from 1 Gals into 2 Gals, There roots system wasn't strong. In fact parts of the root system are brown.


They have been fed ACT Tea between waterings and nothing else.

Tea Recipe-
Earth Worm Castings 6 TBSP/gal
Alfalfa Meal - 2 TBSP/gal
Kelp Meal - 2 TBSP/gal
Soft Rock Phosphate - .5 tsp/gal
Fish Hydroslate - .5 tsp/gal
Molasses - 1 TBSP/gal

Tea Brewed with a home made brewer made from Microbeman's instructions found here and on his website.

Organic Soil Recipe-
Pro Mix Base
Perlite
Coast Of Maine Compost - Quoddy Mix(lobster and crab)
C.O.M Earth Worm Casting

Organic Soil Amendment-

Alfala meal
Kelp meal
Neem seed meal
Soft Rock Phosphate
Azomite
Diatomaceous Earth

Can You Fine Folks Help Me Distinguish What I Am Doing Wrong?

 

[GrowNut]

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And Here are the photos. Thank you in advance for any information or tips in the right direction.

 

[anferneybra]

Needs more information regarding room dynamics.

Temps, humid, lighting, all that, there is a form that you can copy and paste for better help at the top of the infirmary.

My first guess would be over watering. Your additives look right, what quantities did you add before cooking? Did you cook your soil or just add dry and start?

Needs more info thanks buddy

T

 

[GrowNut]

Temps between 72-75 degrees
humidity holds at 50%
lighting is 8 bulb T5 (tanning bed) and a 400watt MH

To each 1 c.f. of potting soil I add the following:
3/4 cup each of kelp and neem meal
1 cup Alfalfa
.5 cups soft rock phosphate
.5 cups azomite

I cooked the soil for a little over a month before using it

Thanks A-Bra

 

[anferneybra]

You have low lighting. From my opinion you have over watered them, and once you do that its hard to come back. Let them dry out very well before next watering, start using a enzyme to breakdown rotten roots.

Thats my first guess and I think its most likely your issue.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Im having issues with my Ak-47 and MOB clones in organic soil, They are drooping heavily, and displaying multiple deficiencies.

These just went through a transplant from 1 Gals into 2 Gals, There roots system wasn't strong. In fact parts of the root system are brown.


They have been fed ACT Tea between waterings and nothing else.

Tea Recipe-
Earth Worm Castings 6 TBSP/gal
Alfalfa Meal - 2 TBSP/gal
Kelp Meal - 2 TBSP/gal
Soft Rock Phosphate - .5 tsp/gal
Fish Hydroslate - .5 tsp/gal
Molasses - 1 TBSP/gal

Tea Brewed with a home made brewer made from Microbeman's instructions found here and on his website.

Organic Soil Recipe-
Pro Mix Base
Perlite
Coast Of Maine Compost - Quoddy Mix(lobster and crab)
C.O.M Earth Worm Casting

Organic Soil Amendment-

Alfala meal
Kelp meal
Neem seed meal
Soft Rock Phosphate
Azomite
Diatomaceous Earth

Can You Fine Folks Help Me Distinguish What I Am Doing Wrong?

Is Mm's tea recipe calling for that much molasses in the brew? At 1 tablespoon per gallon, that's a lot of molasses to my eyes. That's one thing.

I'm curious as to why you're adding SRT to each tea. Something for microbes to hang onto?

A note: Boosting microbial growth can actually cause N-, as they take up available N they've fixed it into their own bodies, making it unavailable to plants. It is not until they shit it back out or die that the N becomes available again. How do you boost explosive microbial growth (mainly bacteria)? Molasses. I suggest using 1 tablespoon per FIVE gallons of tea.

I would either drop the kelp meal, or swap the amounts used between it and the fish hydrolysate. I'm also going to suggest looking into adding urine, because it is a complete fertilizer and safely used when diluted properly. Start at a 10:1 dilution rate of water:urine, work your way up or down from there. If your soil is healthy and you're not completely drenching the plants with it, it will not get smelly. If it does get smelly, you're doin' it wrong.

To my eyes, what I see is highly suggestive of P-, N-, possibly Ca-. Did you inoculate with microbes or just rely on the worm castings? You may need to get an inoculant to get the soil really going well.

Temps between 72-75 degrees
humidity holds at 50%
lighting is 8 bulb T5 (tanning bed) and a 400watt MH

Bring those temps up a wee bit.

To each 1 c.f. of potting soil I add the following:
3/4 cup each of kelp and neem meal
1 cup Alfalfa
.5 cups soft rock phosphate
.5 cups azomite

I cooked the soil for a little over a month before using it

Thanks A-Bra

See above, and you may also need to warm up those roots. The plants look a little bit cold.

 

[Neo 420]

Is Mm's tea recipe calling for that much molasses in the brew? At 1 tablespoon per gallon, that's a lot of molasses to my eyes. That's one thing.

Nope.. MM actually calls for 1/3 cup of molasses per 5 gallons (something like that)

II'm curious as to why you're adding SRT to each tea. Something for microbes to hang onto?.

Supposed to help with fungi in the tea..

See above, and you may also need to warm up those roots. The plants look a little bit cold.

Me thinks it over-water.....

 

[Neo 420]

And Here are the photos. Thank you in advance for any information or tips in the right direction.

Are you using perlite as a mulch?

 

[Bobbles]

Over-watering.

 

[Neo 420]

Im having issues with my Ak-47 and MOB clones in organic soil, They are drooping heavily, and displaying multiple deficiencies.

These just went through a transplant from 1 Gals into 2 Gals, There roots system wasn't strong. In fact parts of the root system are brown.

Brown roots eh? What is your watering schedule?

 

[GrowNut]

SeaMaiden
-I thought i was following MicrobeMans Tea recipe quite perfect but i may be wrong

-diluted urine seems thoroughly interesting yet quite strange haha

-there was no inoculation process, can you expand on that for me??

Neo 420

-I think everyones right on the over watering part--> growers mistake/error on my end "sorry lil ladies" haha

-i have a top coating of Earth warm casting --was havin a small issue with gnats so i covered the tops with perlite to help prevent the top soil from drying out quickly and the gnats arn't able to reach the soil as well, definitely saw a major decrease in those lil bastards

anferneybra
What enzyme you recommend?

I was trying to stay on a strict organic regimen but its no easy task, its been a roller coaster of knowledge the more i dive into it. I will conquer this recipe cause i believe organics will be the norm seeing Medical Marijuana becoming more accepted as a true "medicine" and now the legalization in CO n' WA---

If i were to take these plants to the K.I.S.S method give em the good ole maxi-bloom 1tsp/per gal- what would be the results in switching the plants diet up??

I got more light to be plugged in (600 watt MH), also brand new 400MH bulb
so that will be 2 tanning beds, a 400 and, a 6 for my veg.

Im also workin on bringing the temps up in the lung room, (those 8' soler and palau fans are a powerful piece of equipment eh? haha)

I guess what my question is--> whats my best solution here??

Thanks everyone for the great input
can't believe it took THIS long for me to get on this site, such a beautiful thing.

 

[Neo 420]

Add crab meal..... Neem and crab meel has kept the root aphids and gnats away for me....

 

[SeaMaiden]

GrowNut, by inoculation I simply mean a starter culture of beneficial microbes. I'm going to assume here that your worm castings are good quality and providing this inoculation here, but you may find that adding a bit more may be helpful.

Of course, it very well may be a simple overwatering scenario, but that's something I haven't done before so can't speak a whole lot to it.

Search on using urine and wood ashes as fertilizer substitute. Both urine alone and urine+wood ashes outperformed the chemical salt-based fertilizers that were used in the experiments. I do follow some rules when using mine, and I'll say that for my preferred growing method I simply do not produce enough to feed all my cannabis plants.

Some rules are: No splashing, no urine on foods eaten raw, no urine on root crops, no urine on foods that grow close to the ground.

The amount of wood ashes used in the mix is necessarily very, very low. I'm not using my wood ashes by mixing with urine, I'm spreading them out in different areas where I want a bit more fertility (outdoors) and nutrition.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Over watered like a motherfucker, motherfucker.

 

[GrowNut]

SeaMaiden

wow, great info there, thanks a bunch!

i am using coast of Maine earth warm castings as a top coat,
feeding it a compost tea of E.W.castings and molasses on a 24-30Hr brew would be part of the inoculation process??

Neo 420

My buddy told me the same thing about crab meal, i was also tryin to use no animal products along the way of a strict organic regimen, kind of a full veganic approach.
Crabs would be considered a crustacean or an animal? or are those the same ??


Who woulda thought over watering could be soo detrimental, i learn best from mistakes but boyyy is it slightly frustrating.

I am thinkin about changing their food diet-- any good suggestions on what i could be feeding them from here on out?

I hav bio-canna products and maxi-bloom on the shelf there too

 

[Neo 420]

GrowNut

Tea will help provide microbes to your soil..... Your on it!!

The only animal product I have used was bone meal and I no longer use it..
The crab meal (and EWC) should be in the soil mix. Most folks will top dress with a slurry (water and EWC mix) when there are slight issues.

 

[sour power]

I thought ur supposed to use tea with every water?

 

[Neo 420]

I thought ur supposed to use tea with every water?

Tea should be used but not daily. For example I use ACT tea's every other week, depends on condition. Tea's do not benefit the plant with nutrition. (There are nute tea's but that is another discussion) They help provide more microbes to the soil(which in turn feeds on the composted organic material and exudes nutrition which the plant uptakes) If you soil is healthy (alive), the need for ACT tea's diminishes.

 

[GrowNut]

very informative, thanks Neo! ill keep you posted on the results