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AHUs...how air handling units create the perfect environment. And my prototype

medicalmj

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AHU - Air Handling Units.

Here's the deal on what science and technology has come up with in general terms. Temp controlled and CO2 enriched air is forced through a "sock" about 6-8" dia that hangs from the trays just below the canopy. Quarter size holes blow temp controlled air (often injected w co2) to the leaves above. This creates a micro environment around the critical area of the plant. So both temp and co2 are maximized in otherwise difficult to manage areas. This allows co2 in constant exhausted or large spaces that would be otherwise impossible to keep co2 levels at optimal ranges. And the ambient temp of the greenhouse can be double digits from where it counts. So in winter or summer when the greenhouse may be at the extreme temps, the plant experiences a constant temp w/o the need to heat/cool the entire area. Conversely when you heat/cool the entire area to optimal temp, the critical areas w/in the plant mass may not be in the optimal temp zone. And on a side note in Holland they have two deep water wells with each storing the energy from the opposite season. Only energy required is the pump.

My first prototype shown here was designed to provide steady air flow to leaves, esp. w/in the dense canopy, and deliver co2, via Exhale bags, while running a constant exhaust fan. My AHU is also a scrubber as you will see.

When you implement, and should, your AHU, don’t be limited by my design. The Holland examples, check them out, are connected to heat/cooling devices and inject co2 via bottled. And while my I ran my "sock" down the wall, in open areas the "socks" are usually run down the aisles hanging off of the narrow trays that stretch for meters. These systems are quite often closed when co2 is injected. This is an ideal model for serious growers. I fully expect this to be a matter of course for many well designed rooms in the future.





 

DrFever

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well that is something different well hope to see some results on how this will work
 

medicalmj

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well that is something different well hope to see some results on how this will work

This technique is becoming standard technology in new hothouses.

The bottom of plants canopy have been at and above the hanging level for about 5 days. The holes are placed at about a 45 deg from horz. blowing directly into canopy. They are exploding with growth. It works esp. when co2 is injected. My only question is then, do the Exhale bags give off enough co2.

But I can forget about the need for fans with this AHU. And being tight on space thats important.

Also, no amount of fans will provide the quantities of fresh air to the stomotas. So regardless if co2 is injected or not this is an extremely effective way to provide airflow to the leaves. The leaves w/in the canopy sway with air movement more than with traditional wall mount oscillating fans.
 
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ak-51

This is an interesting idea I might by trying soon.

I have that exact same tote. I use it for moving clones sometimes.
 

DrFever

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Are you using this style right now ??? can you post up some pictures please of what plants look like thanks doc
 
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ak-51

That's a sharp 90 on that last picture. You might get a bit better airflow by smoothing that out.
 

medicalmj

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That's a sharp 90 on that last picture. You might get a bit better airflow by smoothing that out.

Yes! You made me think about this. Not only can I increase the flow by easing the 90, but I have a Y and enough duct to encircle the area, which will create more flow and totally even out the pressure throughout the loop. I might just hang it from my scrog net that's going up next week. Good call! I'll show the pics as soon as I tweak it.
 
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ak-51

Cool. I am very interested to see pics of the other end of this system.
 

medicalmj

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push o_o
this is way too interesting !
And it works better than I dreamed it would. You see, I have all kinds of "great ideas" and sometimes (ok most of the time) they worked a lil better on paper. This one is the opposite. Its working better than the paper plan!

I would say that having a powerful cfm is important. Mine is 440 cfm and would work great for a room w around 1k or so and up to 2k or about 50 sg/ft max. And that would be pushing it if you had any sharp 90s.

Now just the air flowing into the canopy is a huge improvement over wall mounting oscillating fans. But when CO2 is injected, watch out! The whole reason I came up with this idea was to get away form CO2 bottles.

You see, due to the need for odor control, I have to have constant neg pressure in my flower room. That makes CO2 hard to do with bottles. So when I seen the Exhale product and recalled an article about AHUs, I thought, hey, since the Exhale will be producing the same amount over the 4-6 month life, all I need to do is continually blow that CO2 over the leaf surface. And if that is done beneath the canopy and forced through the canopy, I could run my exhaust constantly and not be wasting CO2.

But if one had a sealed room with bottled CO2 this would work even better. Since the tote would be eliminated, which reduces much pressure, a 6" inline would do a better job in bigger rooms and the CO2 line would be inserted at the beginning of the run. Instead of a timed interval the CO2 would be dialed down to achieve target ppm at constant flow with an assumption that x amount would be used over time interval. Or, calculate how many bottles you wanna burn through and dial that in to regulator.

The most productive greenhouses in the world are utilizing this technique, and that's where I got the idea. Many are closed systems (sealed in our terminology) and one simply cannot provide fresh, temp and humidity contolled, CO2 injected air where it needs to be in a more efficient manner. Well at least for now that's the consensus with the big boys...
 

DrFever

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hey bud you got any stationary lights or they all on movers ???? I did a grow last year with a 2 8 foot movers and imo i found i lost weight cause of no complete direct light at all times either way hope things are going well

Cheers doc
 

medicalmj

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hey bud you got any stationary lights or they all on movers ???? I did a grow last year with a 2 8 foot movers and imo i found i lost weight cause of no complete direct light at all times either way hope things are going well

Cheers doc

Thanks.Flower is all on movers. How far did you move light? I heard that from someone else as well. I'll need to do some comparing then, huh? Here's some pics.


 
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TribalSeeds

Do you have a co2 meter?
I also used 2 exhale co2 bags. When I turned on my exhaust fan the co2 levels went back to ambient on my sentinel meter because the bags dont produce much co2. They need to be in a closed enviroment to build up levels in the room.
If youre gonna exhaust your room you might as well do it right and exchange air 2x per minute and ditch the co2 bags
 

medicalmj

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Do you have a co2 meter?
I also used 2 exhale co2 bags. When I turned on my exhaust fan the co2 levels went back to ambient on my sentinel meter because the bags dont produce much co2. They need to be in a closed enviroment to build up levels in the room.
If youre gonna exhaust your room you might as well do it right and exchange air 2x per minute and ditch the co2 bags
What size room did you have and what level would 2 bags do for you?

No meter right now, thinking about picking up a syringe tester. The idea with the 6" inline hooked to the ducting w holes at a 45 was to be able to run both. That is, to blow CO2 enriched air across the stomatas. The hypothesis is that even small increases of CO2 forced through the canopy will be absorbed and result in better growth.

I also have my exhaust on a speedster dimmer so I can dial it to just enough neg pressure to keep the smell in and allow CO2 to remain as long as possible.
 
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TribalSeeds

It was a 2 car garage. Ambient levels were usually just below 400. The 2 bags kept it up to 500-700. I noticed it was nearly 1000 when the lights would kick back on.
The room was oversized for the grow. I was only using 4x600W. The exhaust was an 8" vortex so there was a shit ton of air movement. Much more than youre talking about if yours is dialed down on a speedster.
If you were to exhaust full speed you would have plenty of co2 though. Not sure if that would drop room temps too much though. Thats why I dont like to exhaust full speed. I hate the variables and prefer to just seal it up
 
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