Vaporizing BHO Ethanol solutions.... yummy..

[foaf]

The punchline below is that 2 cc ethanol to 1 gram BHO heated and mixed can be vaporized in "tank" type e-cig equipment for a convenient, absolutely delicious vaporizing experience. You can take one on the go and push a button for an easy hit. Maybe 100 hits in a tank.
--update, I think more dilute is better as posted below. 4 -5 cc everclear per gram bho. still potent and tastes great.
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So people have been using parts from this vast e-cig universe to vaporize hashoil in different ways. Smudging a third of a gram or so of BHO down into standard ecig cartridges with the polyfill removed seems to be the best. It really works well.

I also see where people mix hash oil with glycerin and or propylene glycol. Oil isnt that soluble in that solution, it was chosen just because that the default ecig solution for nicotine. But it sucks cause it screws the tast of bho up, for me at least. Also, you have to play games with the setup, using polyfill standard cartridges, putting it in hot and then it forms some emulsion as it cools. Cant be the best way to do it.

There is another whole type of e-cig setups called "tank" type cartridges. These setups hold a volume of free liquid and feed it to an atomizer. I discovered these when playing recently with DMT solutions in PEG-400 (one of the ecig solvents). It is a new and wonderful way to vaporize DMT. DMT tek

I made some BHO and PEG-400 (polyethylene glycol 400) solution. BHO is very soluble in this ecig solvent, more than in glycerin. It works great in these tank setups as you need a relatively low viscosity liquid. Problem is, the taste sucks. It ruins the bho taste as bad as glycerin / propylene glycol, so fuck that.

I made a straight ethanol (190 proof Everclear) and bho solution. 2 cc ethanol to every gram BHO. Heat it up to 140 to liquify or it wont mix, it stays low viscosity even once cooled. Put it in any one of the "tank" type cartridges, screw it onto an ecig battery and you are vaporizing a BHO cocktail all day.

The thing is that it tastes great. It doesn't taste like straight bho, not much at all. It tastes like chocolate with hints of Kahlua. It is extremely pleasant. Highly recommended.

A solution has merit over a smudge of oil in that it is easier to manipulate and there are tons of new systems made to conveniently vaporize lower viscosity solutions - ecig tank systems.

As you vaporize a larger amount of straight oil, it changes because the lower vapor point terpenes gass off first and you get a different composition in the last hits. The first ones are better. With solutions, it looks like the fist hit is the same as the last, and you just fill up the empty tank when through. The vaporizing elements in most of the non disposable tank systems is replaceable, cheap, and available in variable resistance to make different size hits.

My favorite so far is the

eco-t battery
edit add-
I'm also trying dual coil tank cartridge, or one like it. Best with 1 gram to 5 CC ethanol. Bigger hit but not necessarily better. get both types and experiment

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original recommendation
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the Joye type A atomizer head and the empty tanks that fit it. The low resistance version makes a bigger hit.



These ce-4 tanks work well too



myvaporstore.com has all this stuff pretty cheap.

 

[groer]

This is something ive been wanting to do, i tried it with a tincture and it didnt do anything. Do you need to decarb the bho?

 

[robotwithdreams]

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[robotwithdreams]

Thank you for sharing this info. I have been trying to figure out how to go about this whole thing and was considering purchasing a pen style vape from thermovape, CERA. Problem being the damn thing is crazy expensive, 300$. This setup offers a much cheaper alternative. The thermovape, however boast about the safety/health aspect of their product, mainly the use of ceramic,stainless steel and even titanium parts. So i wonder if there is anything to be really concerned about when it comes to these cheaper configurations.

Again thanks for your posts.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

What are the cartridges made of, you ever take one apart? I heard some will give you clouds of vapor with no oil in them, you ever experience this? I've been reluctant to buy one for this reason, just haven't been impressed with any of the plastic cartridges.

lol at bho cocktail I once drank a few shots of decarboxylated bho dissolved in 190 proof
Thanks for the post foaf

 

[mendo420]

Have you tried the omnicron carts?
I put .5 gram in at a time.
5om with 7.4v hits hard.
1.5om with 3.2 hits less.

I have tried the other carts with no success.

love the persei

 

[foaf]

Do you need to decarb the bho?

I didn't specifically do this. I did warm the oil at 140f to melt and mix with the ethanol, but for about 2 hours and no warmer. the atomizers are heat based but I dont know how the heat exposure compares to smoking or other vaporization techniques.

the omicron carts work fine for straight oil, so do many other plain cartridges. They are great... This is just different. several pros and cons come to mind.

I heard some will give you clouds of vapor with no oil in them

Ive never seen that happen.

But the question about what you are actually breathing in is valid. there are certainly versions of the tank setups for people with this concern, there are ones that are all glass tanks withonly stainless steel atomizers with ceramic and such... I havent bought such things yet...

I personally don't worry about such things taking the mindless approach that people who smoke them for ecigs do them all day, while I do it now and then to get high onthe go or at shows or such.

When you buy this stuff, you do have to go into the halls of the unclean nicontine addicts. There is no telling what these people will use to get their fix so I do keep a sense of caution about me.

 

[foaf]

OK, as regards the ecig things making vapor without oil,, turns out that some of the wick type sytems come pre wetted with glycerin. If you hit the button with them totally empty, the wick burns and it tastes bad forever or if you fill them and dont allow enough time for the wick to saturate. So yes, if you hit the button with it empty you get smoke either from the wick burning or you get glycerin smoke. No biggie.


I've done this another week and have farmed out test rigs to several trusted test subjects.

I think that more dilute is better, like 4 cc or 5 cc or everclear per gram of bho. In the wick systems, it flows more quickly and doesn't gum up as readily.

Ive been putting the mixture into dual coil tanks and they make more vapor but need less viscous solution because the wicking action has to keep up with the amount vaporized. Its still quite potent and tastes great. More mechanically consistent than dry bho in an empty fiberfill cartridge but both have merit.

Dual Coil Tank

edit add - pros and cons of dual coil tank. I might like the single coil sets better, get both try for yourself

 

[groer]

I just made my first batch of bho! Can you taste the ethanol much? Will vaporizing it introduce ethanol into the blood? I dont want any effects from alcohol.

I am using a vapor 4 life battery and boge cartomizers.

 

[foaf]

the standard boge cartomizers have polyfill in them, and yes you can put this in those, but Im sure you will get a good bit stuck in the polyfill at the end. The cartridges Im using are called tanks and have only a wick with a volume of free liquid. The point being less material soaked into any fiber at any time.

you couldnt possibly get enough alcohol for it to affect you and yes the alcohol does have some taste. its like a hashoil martini. not much taste actually.

you can pop the fiberfill out of the boge cartomizers and put about .3 grams of pure bho down in those and it works great, plenty of threads and youtubes on how to get the straight oil into such cartomizers.

 

[groer]

Thanks foaf, i will probably try both configurations.

 

[groer]

Jump's thread got me to thinking, you could winterize it - freeze the alcohol solution and strain out the waxes, and then heat it to evaporate excess ethanol and reduce it to the desired consistency.

 

[InjectTruth]

Thanks for taking a ton of guess work out of this for me, FOAF. Cheers!

 

[jump117]

Jump's thread got me to thinking, you could winterize it - freeze the alcohol solution and strain out the waxes, and then heat it to evaporate excess ethanol and reduce it to the desired consistency.

.. and probably also decarboxylize it!..

 

[GDK]

So if gettin ethanol is impossible, what would work instead. 160 proof rum?

EDIT: Nvm..found out the store that carry the carts also carry 96% food grade alcohol.

Stay Safe

 

[bho ho]

Hey Foaf,
I tried using Everclear as my delivery method and was not to impressed. I was not happy w/ the Vapor it produced. The vapor was a little "pungent" as it tasted a like everclear. I think your comment of a martini was correct. *although i like a dirty martini

Process:
.3 gm shatter
1.75 mil/cc of 90 proof everclear
water bath @ 140 for 30 min (update: you don't need it to sit for 30min. just get it to 140 and your done)

Note: i made a mistake in that i let it sit in the bath for about 20 minutes and saw that the everclear was almost totally evaped so i added a little more and brought the temp back up to 140 to blend it. I then took that off the stove and dropped it in my cart.

Do you think this banged up my experiment by adding everclear back into it after it evaped? Any suggestions on how to make really good tasting oil that makes you think you are smoking shatter?

I usually just dab w/ my skillet or nail n globe but i want to create an viscous oil that will last longer and be better for travel and such as my shatter does not do well outside the fridge. Oh and it has to be a potent solution *demanding smiley face

i do appreciate you sharing your knowledge.

 

[Soulrebel239]

Great info for us pen users.