Will Rhode Island and Maine be next?

[Slim Pickens]

State legislators in Rhode Island and Maine will announce bills tomorrow to legalize recreational marijuana, a spokesperson for the Marijuana Policy Project announced today.

More at:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/14/state-legislators-in-rhode-island-and-ma

 

[Penguin59]

The wheels are turning...

 

[Amber Trich]

yeah...

maine voters are usually 70% in favor of canna, maine legislature on the other hand.. id be impressed.. but hopefully!

vermont and mass have proposals coming too

 

[Tyga]

What will this do for people making a living off this? Lowering the profit margin substantially im sure but also takes a load off their shoulders not having to worry about the local LEO. All I can picture is all the noobies running extension cord threw their house to fire up as many lights as possible until they burn their house down.... And flooding the scene with a bunch of poop.
I guess it will just be survival of the fittest? The growers with quality genetics who do their thang and do it well will rise above from the rest and still make a living?
I think we will just be screwed when it's legal 100% across the boards.. (Federally) and then big pharma companies and private investors will move in and take over. So state legal is good enough for me! Im curious on other peoples outlook on this....

 

[Wise]

What will this do for people making a living off this? Lowering the profit margin substantially im sure but also takes a load off their shoulders not having to worry about the local LEO. All I can picture is all the noobies running extension cord threw their house to fire up as many lights as possible until they burn their house down.... And flooding the scene with a bunch of poop.
I guess it will just be survival of the fittest? The growers with quality genetics who do their thang and do it well will rise above from the rest and still make a living?
I think we will just be screwed when it's legal 100% across the boards.. (Federally) and then big pharma companies and private investors will move in and take over. So state legal is good enough for me! Im curious on other peoples outlook on this....

I disagree.

A.) Marijuana is difficult to grow - takes time, money, patience, equipment and space.
B.) Once marijuana is fully legalized, it will be cost effective to buy buds at the "marijuana store" eliminating, or reducing the need for one to grow their own.

 

[pip313]

Marijuana is not hard to grow, I can't stand hearing that crap. From my first harvest in acidic dirt with a 150w mh to my couple pound harvests all have been of excellent quality. Quantity had suffered at first but 2 harvests later shit got good and stayed there, because I replaced the 150 with a 600 then got 2000 more

Its a frickin plant. Buy good genetics, keep grow size in line with light size (50w Sqft) don't kill it. thats it.
Ferts and shit just help yeild not quality, quality is the genetics.

I agree with tyga, we can't compete with legal fields and greenhouses.

 

[Puffaluffagus]

I can get a crappy hamburger for a dollar sold to me by a belligerent high school kid at McDonalds, or I can pay $100 for the butter knife steak at Murray's and receive top notch fine dining level service and plate presentation.

Quality and service will keep you going once full legalization occurs.
Not everyone will want to smoke mcdonalds quality weed sold to them by a clueless moron.

 

[pip313]

A hamburger is not a steak, people do not want service with weed they want quality, convenience, and affordability. Think next to cigarettes in gas stations and liquor stores.

Also that cheap mcdonalds beef is very high quality beef, people talk crap but the beef is better than any other fast food place and better than alot of fancy sit down places. The rest of the burger isnt the best but the beef itself is.
Do you eat $100 steaks every day? Normal people worry about putting gas in the car and paying rent. Is there a micky d's on every corner or a murry's? think why

Commercial greenhouses in the south west desert, built by big tobacco. Please convince me that they can not produce a good enviroment in a arizona greenhouse with real labs doing testing. cost of a 20 pack of joints, 20 bucks, goverment and tobacco can split that how they want. makes total commercial sence.

Please name one legal product one can produce at home with a high profit margin? there is none as competition drives down price, basic economics, then there is the economics of scale, which means small operations struggle. think corperate farms vs local ones.

 

[Aeroguerilla]

hopefuly they vote the shit down i am happy just the way things are. all gov wants to do is rob us of our underground industry. fuck the gov. we need to keep this shit underground where it started. they will tax it to death

you guys see that new corporation MEDBOX??? ticker MDBX went from $4 a share to $215 a share in 5 days. 3000% increase. with that being said this is a company who has designed a dispensing box similiar to a soda machine. Why the fuck would everyone be investing in this shit?? i think they are planning to sell it at every gas station. eliminate the middle man and put people like you and i out of biz

we still have time tho. id say 3-4 years before prices really start to fall. make your money while you can.

 

[pip313]

Medboxes are not new, pharmacies keep morphine and cocaine and shit like that in shit like them. Maybe they are the first to market to "alternative medicine" but the technology is old enough that I have seen it on shows like house, nurse jackie, and other medicine related shows.

 

[Tyga]

Yeah whoever says marijuana is hard to grow is straight retarded.... You give a noob 10G's for equipment and environmental controls, Good genetics and Couple gallons of Micro/Bloom or Maxi (7g/gal) and they will grow good herb bottom of the line.
And everyones "Elites" WILL be spread out.... hate to say it but they will! Your going to tell me that If somebody offered you a couple grand for a cut Nobody thats holding the cut would give in to the temptation? I wish I could say that everyone would be stand up and say FUCK OFF! Like I would but no.... that won't be the case.
Best thing we can do is hope the law gets shot down or if the law passes the Feds crack down on people trying to make millions off it....

 

[Rolldaddy]

I also saw the medbox stock go through the roof. If anyone wants to make some $$$ short that stock while it's high.

Those medboxes ATM are being marketed to be used by dispensaries for quality control purposes

 

[Rolldaddy]

I also saw the medbox stock go through the roof. If anyone wants to make some $$$ short that stock while it's high.

Those medboxes ATM are being marketed to be used by dispensaries for quality control purposes

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

A hamburger is not a steak, people do not want service with weed they want quality, convenience, and affordability. Think next to cigarettes in gas stations and liquor stores.

Also that cheap mcdonalds beef is very high quality beef, people talk crap but the beef is better than any other fast food place and better than alot of fancy sit down places. The rest of the burger isnt the best but the beef itself is.
Do you eat $100 steaks every day? Normal people worry about putting gas in the car and paying rent. Is there a micky d's on every corner or a murry's? think why

Commercial greenhouses in the south west desert, built by big tobacco. Please convince me that they can not produce a good enviroment in a arizona greenhouse with real labs doing testing. cost of a 20 pack of joints, 20 bucks, goverment and tobacco can split that how they want. makes total commercial sence.

Please name one legal product one can produce at home with a high profit margin? there is none as competition drives down price, basic economics, then there is the economics of scale, which means small operations struggle. think corperate farms vs local ones.

no no no my friend, let me stop you at that statement that i bolded and underlined.

THAT VERY THING ALONE will make aaaaaall the difference in the world, believe me when i tell you.

im not gonna go to "nuk-nuk" and "ray ray" to buy my cannabis when theres a "canna-bucks" right around the corner, down the block, or hell, on every corner.

i remember reading about ppl complaining about shitty coffee shops in A'dam and shitty dispensaries in the U.S. all the time and still do anytime someone asks about either one. people read, look for, participate in and advocate rating places and it can hurt or help a business these days.

theres no way in the world someone is gonna go to a restaurant with a "C" rating that has overpriced burgers and snobbish service and pass up that friendly place with the "up-tempo" attitude towards service and some of the kindest buds you can get with the "A" rating. c'mon dude, dont be "that" guy and think that it doesnt matter.

shit half, if not most, of the people who grow for self on here started because they were tired of having to deal with shady cats, and ive found that most of those people act shady for no apparent reason (aka "bad service"), but still who really wants or, more importantly, "has" to deal with that type of thing in this day and age.

and you bring up the most alarming thing about commercial growing is "labs" and shit. what good grower needs a "lab" of any kind to grow good cannabis?!?! it takes know how and good attention. and thats the one thing that fucks with a smoker with anything large scale is all that damned testing/spraying and shit. no one wants to smoke that shit and they are not gonna trust any manner of tobacco company to grow their cannabis! c'mon dude, you know thats true! they still tryin' to shut big tobacco down now BECAUSE they do all that testing/ spraying/chemical shit!!

I can get a crappy hamburger for a dollar sold to me by belligerent high school kid at McDonalds, or I can pay $100 for the butter knife steak at Murray's and receive top notch fine dining level service and plate presentation.

Quality and service will keep you going once full legalization occurs.
Not everyone will want to smoke mcdonalds quality weed sold to them by a clueless moron.

Puffaluffagus is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! and who wants to be smoking any manner of cannabis thats been:
* sitting on the shelf
*not properly stored
which all in all means crappy! and big tobacco wont touch it because they are going to have to, HAVE TO!!! introduce some manner of chemical to extend the shelf life. anyone who has grown weed, had to store weed KNOWS that its not gonna last as long as a pack of cigarettes on a quick-i-mart shelf, and the marts are not gonna want to sell them because customers will bitch and they are the ones that are going to have to suffer for it because of image and the downturn of sales. and for right now its recreational and you can only have a certain amount at any one time.

the cannabis market is not gonna have your average market "supply/demand" type ratios like other markets. cannabis having a literal "social" market outside of the counter-cultrue/underground is something that is new and is going to have to be watched. with the cannabis market, trust me when i tell you, those who venture into it large scale are going to suffer.

coffee shops are the way to go, for the sale/manufacture/culture of cannabis to thrive. the model is already there! if it aint broke then dont fix it not matter what country happens to have the proper example. i imagine a coffee shop the size of a . . . "panera bread" for example, maybe a lil bigger, with a greenhouse in the back offering maybe 10 - 12 strains all grown in house, you can franchise that but each place can offer different strains either shop bred or locally bred, and those shops would buy from local growers just like farmers markets/restaurants buy from local growers. the most any business would take up is 1-2 acres, and they can grow things other than cannabis.

with this type of thing the market to be in is seed manufacturing and grow supplies and the sales there of, there arent enough. the fact that i have to travel an hour and a half to get good grow supplies is retarded. with things becoming what they are, average people (meaning ppl who have never grown but were too afraid to take the chance) are either want to grow it themselves after listening to all the "hoopla" and the person who wants to start their own "coffee shop". you said so yourself about growing:

Marijuana is not hard to grow, I can't stand hearing that crap. From my first harvest in acidic dirt with a 150w mh to my couple pound harvests all have been of excellent quality. Quantity had suffered at first but 2 harvests later shit got good and stayed there, because I replaced the 150 with a 600 then got 2000 more

Its a frickin plant. Buy good genetics, keep grow size in line with light size (50w Sqft) don't kill it. thats it.
Ferts and shit just help yeild not quality, quality is the genetics.

I agree with tyga, we can't compete with legal fields and greenhouses.

but that last sentence is where your wrong and you know it. for commercial to produce cannabis large scale they ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FUCK WITH IT SOMEHOW. prime example for you is when the dispensaries were being shut down and they had product just sitting on the shelves going bad, i remember my brother cleaned up!! and we smoked good for w while because they couldt get rid of that shit fast enough, and i KNOW a pound or two didnt make it! THATS the one thing people on here were bitichin and complaining about so if the small cats were in trouble, how is "big commercial" gonna deal with that aspect of business?

 

[Abja Roots]

shit half, if not most, of the people who grow for self on here started because they were tired of having to deal with shady cats, and ive found that most of those people act shady for no apparent reason (aka "bad service"), but still who really wants or, more importantly, "has" to deal with that type of thing in this day and age.

This is why I started growing. Tired of dealing with monkeys, whose only value was their connection to someone else. I just took my new car to get serviced at a high end dealership. The service was atrocious. Not only will I never take the car back there again. I will never buy a car from them. If anyone even mentions that place. I will let them know what it was like. Service matters.

I say it's a semi-free country. Let whoever wants grow whatever they want and sell it however and for whatever they want. You'll succeed and be sustainable or you won't. Adapt or Perish. Corporations are the like preferred shares in this country. We're just common stock. We are not equal. If it becomes completely legal, the market will always be in their favor.

For the record. I don't think it will pass in R.I. It's pretty conservative. I think Vermont has a higher chance of something like this. I think Maine might pass it as well.

 

[Mia]

True story:
My dad took his truck to the dealer for a coolant leak and they tried to fix it with tape....
Like many other things in life, really good mechanics aren't easy to find...

 

[Iron_Lion]

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[PermaBuzz]

The prices may not fall so much across the board as ya think.
Look at the current situation with wine. Top end wine is about as expensive as top end dank. Gallo wine is everywhere yet it hasnt hurt that high end market much at all.

 

[Rolldaddy]

I agree that to grow great high grade bud takes knowledge, skill, time, money and space. So not just any newjack is going pop up with lb's of cronic. Specially around these areas. I moved here from out of state and what people call "headies" here, on average is substandard at best, and for ridiculous prices.

 

[Jeeyah]

I think cannabis is hard to grow. That's why I'm on ICMAG 24/7.

To keep a nonstop flow all year round of clean killer chronic is easy?

Physics, botany/hydroponics, electricity, construction, budgeting/money management, marketing/sales...

Long term planning, short-term planning, patience, organization, cleanliness, dedication, brains, balls...

Oh shit. I have to get back to work. Peace bruddas.