Cathinone in cannabis?

[Pangea]

RaNgEr RiCk posted some of his cannabinoid analysis results in the breeding forum.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=243463

A few of his results had Cathinone present.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=37947&pictureid=927530

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathinone

Has anyone else had this turn up?

 

[Silence Dogood]

This cant be... I have tested many different cannavars using HPLC and have never seen anything like that. It is close in weight to many different monoterpenes so it should/would show up on the graph.

 

[Tonygreen]

They say that dude that ate the guys face off had nothing but weed in his system. Everyone thought it was bath salts. Maybe he had the craaazy weed.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Probably a contamination in the standard.Never saw a doc that they found Cathinone in Cannabis.That analyse would be the first one.

Keep on growing

 

[pezmasterelite]

I believe I have heard of cathinone in cannabis. A friend of mine had a plant I grow tested a bit back, the testers said it had high amounts of cathinone, leading me to believe they have seen it as well.

I will look into this further to confirm we are talking about the same thing.

 

[G.O. Joe]

That would prove that everyone involved in signing off on the analysis is inept.

If cathinone was found somewhere besides khat, it would be a published fact; if it was found in Cannabis, it would be hysterically reported on the evening news.

 

[powerrobbie]

There is no way that cathinone is in cannabis....As the person above me stated, it would be all over the news and shit if it was, espically with all these news reports of "bath salts" (mephedrone) making people act crazy and eat people and stuff....It is only found in the khat plant which is native to western Africa I believe.. The khat plant is a natural stimulant because of the prescense of cathinone in it. Have you ever got a cocaine like stiumlant effect from smoking weed or eating edibles? NOPE. They have been testing all the chemicals in weed for such a long time and there has never been a report on the presence of shitty ass cathinone in marijuana....

 

[fungzyme]

Seems like it would involve a completely different biosynthetic pathway from most of what's present in cannabis (?) Weird...

Although I just looked at those analyses and they list acetophenone, which is related chemically or could be a product in the same pathway, at any rate. And of the ones I looked at, all the ones that contained acetophenone contained no cathinone, and all the ones that contained cathinone contained no acetophenone. So maybe plants make one or the other depending on genetic makeup?? Just guessing - it's all new to me.

http://drugable.com/Chemical/36423 (structures of cath & acetophenone)

 

[purple_man]

as stated in the original article, i guess them guys sent in the samples in baggies which were used for cathinone storage before... as g.o. joe wrote above, the cannabis plant has been and is studied extensivly worldwide, hence if cathinone was produced, it would have been documented and published.

blessss

 

[G.O. Joe]

as stated in the original article, i guess them guys sent in the samples in baggies which were used for cathinone storage before...

What original article, where is that said?

RaNgEr RiCk's 3.4% isn't residue, anywhere in the process. I don't know what extraction process they use for samples presumed to be only cannabis, but a basing step would be required to convert cathinone hydrochloride to machine-detectable cathinone. But cathinone base is notably unstable, and on something taken to most labs not expecting it, the analysis process would at least partially change it to a dimer or norephedrine and norpseudoephedrine. Contamination with cathinone base rather than its salts would surely show these other things, probably as the major peaks instead of cathinone.

I don't think anything with the same formula as cathinone is known to be in Cannabis - there aren't many there with nitrogen on it to start with. Hordenine has about the same formula (extra CH4), and is in some strains.

Maybe the lab personnel should try chewing it, since they were called, and said the plants ARE producing cathinone. The levels of cathinone are ten times higher than in the finest Yemeni khat.

 

[RulaTone]

G.O. Joe myth bust everything

 

[pezmasterelite]

Yeah, the results I have are questionable as people around my parts seem to not trust these guys anymore after a number of other questionable results. I found that out shortly after posting above, so that is the reason for a lack of pictures.

Anyways, here is what I have to fuel the argument a little.

Ninja Turtle:
This is the strain which has an extremely up head buzz and they say has much cathinone.

White Northern:
This is an indica hybrid my friend grew at the same time, they said also has cathinone. It should be noted that this strain does not have an up heady buzz, mostly down indica type.

pez

 

[G.O. Joe]

"Small percentages of nutes in the Cathinone."
.

When people first started posting results with that design from that place, I thought it was obvious that no reputable company would print such rubbish, and no one would want testing from them.

Are there plants that naturally produce 6.6% alkaloids after drying? Maybe the best peyote could come close, but it loses a lot more water.

It's easy to extract the nonvolatile bases and see if there is 6 or .0006% alkaloids, with a standard acid-base extraction. A more polar solvent than hexane or cold butane would be best for cathinone, starting fluid would be perfect but ONLY if it leaves NO residue on evaporation.

Wet the weed with 5% NaOH or KOH, and extract with heptane-diethyl ether. (Or: shake or stir the solvent and weed really hard with more alkali, then separate and discard alkali layer.) Filter, shake with a 5% solution of most any acid, separate the layers, then wash the solvent layer with water and evaporate for THC. Neutralize the acid layer with 5% of some alkali and extract with fresh starting fluid. Wash with water and dry with baked epsom salts. Filter, evaporate the solvent for the base fraction.

 

[m314]

There is no way that cathinone is in cannabis....As the person above me stated, it would be all over the news and shit if it was, espically with all these news reports of "bath salts" (mephedrone) making people act crazy and eat people and stuff....It is only found in the khat plant which is native to western Africa I believe.. The khat plant is a natural stimulant because of the prescense of cathinone in it. Have you ever got a cocaine like stiumlant effect from smoking weed or eating edibles? NOPE. They have been testing all the chemicals in weed for such a long time and there has never been a report on the presence of shitty ass cathinone in marijuana....

The news reports about mephedrone users eating people were all bullshit. It's like the new Reefer Madness. Cathinones are addictive and unhealthy, but they're not the evil shit they make them out to be in the news media.

I agree about cathinone being an unlikely component of weed. I've tried cathinone, methcathinone, mephedrone, and lots of others. I'm done with that, but I know what they're like. I've tried dozens of strains of weed over the years too. I've never tried weed that had the stimulant high / stimulant crash / cravings for more that happen with cathinones.

I'd love to try that Ninja Turtle sometime. "Up" highs are my favorites. I'm growing my favorite strain right now, Cinderella 99.

 

[MrSterling]

If we're getting on that cannibal who was on "bath salts" the only drug he tested positive for after the attack was cannabis, I think the guy was just off his rocker.

 

[highonmt]

Cathinone in cannabis? seems dubious. at 6.6% this would have been noticed befor. I would guess they are just using gc retention time based on the graph and it is virtually impossible to tell what is really eluting. If they used ms they would have to see m/z [M+H] + 150 the mass fragment which corrosponds to cathinone. I would venture that using nmr guided fractionation of the sample they would see 0 cathinone. This is one of the dangers of gc as an analytical tool. If you have standards of cathinone and something elutes from the column under that peak you can not say it is the same analyte without further chemical investigation.

 

[mukuku]

I know there is DMT, ketamine and PCP in cannabis but cathinone !!! I'm dreaming !

 

[pothead66]

there`s so much bullshit in this thread (from news sites and other crap) . No one will put mcat or other shit like that on weed. It sells for more $s than weed, it`s stronger (in the sense that it makes you feel like jesus) and the synthesis for it is very very cheap. Trust me I know. And the stuff won`t melt when you burn it in a regular joint/bong etc. Vaporising will work maybe... but it will not make a diff...
sorry for my english and reviving an old thread but I`m pissed when seeing bad information being spread