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noyd666
just a bit of nonsence to add, george reeves old superman, lol, jumped from tallest building,beleaving he could fly, found out earth was not his friend,thumpp.
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Two false beliefs that cause the majority of our suffering
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just a bit of nonsence to add, george reeves old superman, lol, jumped from tallest building,beleaving he could fly, found out earth was not his friend,thumpp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Reeves
seems he died in his home
I've been living for awhile under the assumption that suffering is a result of desire, and that your self is little more than the personal connections you have sewn. Your genetics may hold memories from millenniums ago...
yeah maybe in this large ocean (Consciousness) - genetics - which are basically information, can carry memories (also information)
this is something that can be contemplated in one's Consciousness, because where else are we going to look for the truth than in our own awareness and experience?
You do that well, I clearly understand what you write. I was saying that you sneaked in your post as joke, since I noticed the next day.
rules have their place, and of course the SELF loves the rules that help it get what it wants
this approach eliminates a lot of unnecessary confusion and suffering
true...the self-principle is not simple at all...and I'm doing the best I can.
I think the self is attached and identifies itself with many concepts, it's just some of them we are aware of, and most are part of what can be called UNCOGNIZED mind...beliefs and assumptions we are NOT aware of.
My main point is that before the FIRST perception is made there is what I'm calling Being, which is what we are originally and authentically are.
Since ALL perceptions are secondary, everything that happens after the first perception is nothing but a snowball rolling downhill - collecting a bunch of concepts and then by attaching and identifying with these concepts a conceptual SELF is formed.
As I said above, some of these we remember and are aware of, but the majority are uncognized beliefs and assumptions that we are un-aware of.
The problem with the uncognized beliefs is that the self-mind uses them to interpret and provide meaning to what we perceive, so we are never seeing what is actually there, but only our hidden beliefs and assumptions.
you mean if a human grew up all by himself with no other people?
Yes, he would, but it would be different from the conceptual "self" that we carry around like a 300 pound back-pack.
Day to day experiences are mostly perceptions based on the past.
In the link below I have a thread where I explain in detail why we never perceive anything directly as it IS, that all we ever are doing is SURVIVING (physically and socially).
you do realize that we as humans have no organs of perception that can perceive what IS there as-it-is and NOT in relation to our "self" ???
Taking this into account, as a "self" we are living in our mind, and this is always in the past, since perception is a SECONDARY process.
We can't see what is PRIMARY, what I'm calling Consciousness, all we are doing is observing distinctions made inside of Consciousness.
Memories that are painful can lead to depression, but as I wrote memories that are pleasurable can also eventually lead to pain, especially if they are remembered in relation to a present moment that is currently NOT-SO pleasant.
For "self" survival we need both pain and desire to keep us running on the wheel. There is no escaping this, no matter how hard you try while the "self-mind" is what is running the show. If you let go of the "self" then it is possible...but not until.
Beliefs and assumptions is all we have to go on, there are no facts in this virtual reality that we are living in.
It is all information that is perceived by the self-mind.
All we have is direct experience to give us feedback if some belief is true or not. And it can change with time. What works today might not work tomorrow, and vice-versa.
It is just like this page you are currently perceiving, if you click the right mouse button and press "view page source" you will see a bunch of information (data) and your browser takes this data and interprets it based on the rule-set made up by the programmers.
This is JUST like our reality. Our self-minds are simply perceiving and interpreting and providing meaning to all these interpretations, and this is WHY we see what we see.
But, still, even this information is indirect. It is still all conceptual, and thus not is what IS actually there.
It is not a conscious choice...it is the SURVIVAL drive of the self-mind, it needs to divide everything into good and bad in relation to all the circumstances it perceives so that it knows what to do.
This doing is all about survival and ONLY about survival.
Physical 1% and social 99% are the two domains of survival the self-mind focuses on.
There is actually NOTHING outside of culture. We ARE culture and culture IS us.
Everything the self-made man does is in RELATION to the culture he lives in, and there can be no other way.
I'm actually trying to say that the chocolate might not be chocolate, but something else that we have confused with chocolate.
That the "self" we believe we ARE is simply a snowball of concepts the self-mind uses to keep us running like rats in the wheel.
Yeah...but there are folks that actually like reading this information. Isn't that enough for it to exist?
You said it. People are wrong about what the self is. This confusion is what I'm writing about mostly. So, it seems that you are aware that your "self" is not an egoic-false-conceptual-self, but something of a different nature?
I think we all can directly experience the true nature of our "self" in our moment to moment experiences, and become aware that we are NOT a bunch of concepts spinning inside a sick-self-mind.
Since all our perceptions are in relation to our "self" - and are all secondary, meaning we never directly perceive the truth, or what is actually there, this alone is enough to show that self-survival is all we got going on.
The person watching the show and deciding how it makes him feel is the self-mind interpreting everything in relation to itself and providing this interpretation with meaning based on its beliefs and assumptions.
Once the meaning is clear, there is an emotional charge to let us know how to relate to any circumstance in our experience.
The self-mind creates a charged-field divided into positive and negative emotional charges to allow it to navigate and move through and experience that is basically ALWAYS un-known.
The self-mind believes it knows what this reality is, but it does not, It only believes and assumes.
When this point is reached this information will not be interesting to the folks that are currently giving me positive feedback, and I will stop writing it.
There are not that many of them, but enough for me to want to keep writing these crazy concepts.
Obviously we fundamentally disagree on alot of the points your making as well as the meaning of alot of the terminology your using. Therefore it seems pointless to keep making these huge posts that disect paragraphs into what amounts to you saying, yes what I said is the truth and me saying no it is not.
lmao....
isn't that what happened in that thread about reality?
Either way, it's always an honor to have you clearly communicate your interpretations of what I write. Many of the points you made have showed me where my writing is not clear.
At the end of the day, all that we write is conceptual, and thus secondary, so while I like writing and do have opinions about stuff, I'm not going to defend these opinions at all costs.
For me it is simply a pleasure looking below the surface
So
and hopefully in other threads you will continue to post your thoughts on whatever topic the thread will be about.
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dark horse
Bro, you sound like this guy I know who converted to Buddhism. Is that what this is all about, or is it pure psychology you are espousing?
No, this thread is about how FALSE beliefs and assumptions lead to suffering.
I think so but I can't remember for sure.
