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Another Survelliance Court Loss

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Court OKs warrantless use of hidden surveillance cameras

In latest case to test how technological developments alter Americans' privacy, federal court sides with Justice Department on police use of concealed surveillance cameras on private property.

by Declan McCullagh
October 30, 2012 10:45 AM PDT



Police are allowed in some circumstances to install hidden surveillance cameras on private property without obtaining a search warrant, a federal judge said yesterday.


CNET has learned that U.S. District Judge William Griesbach ruled that it was reasonable for Drug Enforcement Administration agents to enter rural property without permission -- and without a warrant -- to install multiple "covert digital surveillance cameras" in hopes of uncovering evidence that 30 to 40 marijuana plants were being grown.


This is the latest case to highlight how advances in technology are causing the legal system to rethink how Americans' privacy rights are protected by law.



In January, the Supreme Court rejected warrantless GPS tracking after previously rejecting warrantless thermal imaging, but it has not yet ruled on warrantless cell phone tracking or warrantless use of surveillance cameras placed on private property without permission.


Yesterday Griesbach adopted a recommendation by U.S. Magistrate Judge William Callahan dated October 9. That recommendation said that the DEA's warrantless surveillance did not violate the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and requires that warrants describe the place that's being searched.


"The Supreme Court has upheld the use of technology as a substitute for ordinary police surveillance," Callahan wrote.


Two defendants in the case, Manuel Mendoza and Marco Magana of Green Bay, Wis., have been charged with federal drug crimes after DEA agent Steven Curran claimed to have discovered more than 1,000 marijuana plants grown on the property, and face possible life imprisonment and fines of up to $10 million. Mendoza and Magana asked Callahan to throw out the video evidence on Fourth Amendment grounds, noting that "No Trespassing" signs were posted throughout the heavily wooded, 22-acre property owned by Magana and that it also had a locked gate.
Callahan based his reasoning on a 1984 Supreme Court case called Oliver v. United States, in which a majority of the justices said that "open fields" could be searched without warrants because they're not covered by the Fourth Amendment. What lawyers call "curtilage," on the other hand, meaning the land immediately surrounding a residence, still has greater privacy protections.


"Placing a video camera in a location that allows law enforcement to record activities outside of a home and beyond protected curtilage does not violate the Fourth Amendment," Justice Department prosecutors James Santelle and William Lipscomb told Callahan.


As digital sensors become cheaper and wireless connections become more powerful, the Justice Department's argument would allow police to install cameras on private property without court oversight -- subject only to budgetary limits and political pressure.


About four days after the DEA's warrantless installation of surveillance cameras, a magistrate judge did subsequently grant a warrant. But attorneys for Mendoza and Magana noticed that the surveillance took place before the warrant was granted.


"That one's actions could be recorded on their own property, even if the property is not within the curtilage, is contrary to society's concept of privacy," wrote Brett Reetz, Magana's attorney, in a legal filing last month. "The owner and his guest... had reason to believe that their activities on the property were not subject to video surveillance as it would constitute a violation of privacy."


A jury trial has been scheduled for January 22.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...rrantless-use-of-hidden-surveillance-cameras/
 

Skinny Leaf

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What's the difference between putting cameras on your property or flying a drone with a camera over your property? To me they both seem to be illegal without a warrant. The cops aren't placing cameras on the property to have the next million hit video on you tube. No they are searching for evidence of illegal activities. Why wouldn't camera monitoring be any different then wiretapping? It sure seems like the rules are getting changed in the middle of the game.
 
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SeaMaiden

Wow. At least a jury trial is scheduled. Jesus God.

Let it happen to them someday, those who say it's just fine. Let it happen to them, or someone they love. The song will not remain the same, they'll start jumping like you stepped on their toes.
 
"curtilage," is indeed an important term of art, particularly if one has large property. best protection is to walk around naked and have sex in the area one wants to be considered curtilage, thereby making the area, by your intimate activities nature, to be protected curtilage!
 
626 F.3d 966

UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee,
v.
Donald W. SIMMS, II, Defendant-Appellant.

Nos. 10-1055, 10-1076.

United States Court of Appeals,
Seventh Circuit.

"The reason for these limitations on police searches is that people have a strong interest—call it privacy or rights of property—in keeping unwanted strangers, including law enforcement officers, out of their home, and the interest is deemed a reasonable one in our society. People have a similar interest in excluding strangers from the property that immediately surrounds their house. If they are sunbathing in the nude in their fenced yard they do not want the police entering the yard to search garbage carts. Not that that was a likely activity on a snowy day in December. But a homeowner's garbage carts can be unavoidably proximate to portions of his property used for private activities. Hence the concept of the "curtilage," a variant of the Old French word for a little court[yard]. It is not the entirety of a person's property; it is just the part used for private activities. United States v. Dunn, 480 U.S. 294, 301, 107 S.Ct. 1134, 94 L.Ed.2d 326 (1987); California v. Ciraolo, 476 U.S. 207, 212-13, 106 S.Ct. 1809, 90 L.Ed.2d 210 (1986); Oliver v. United States, 466 U.S. 170, 180, 104 S.Ct. 1735, 80 L.Ed.2d 214 (1984). As the emphasis in interpretation of the Fourth Amendment shifted (ahistorically) from the protection of property to the protection of privacy, Kyllo v. United States, 533 U.S. 27, 31-32, 121 S.Ct. 2038, 150 L.Ed.2d 94 (2001); Warden v. Hayden, 387 U.S. 294, 301-07, 87 S.Ct. 1642, 18 L.Ed.2d 782 (1967); Morgan Cloud, "Pragmatism, Positivism, and Principles in Fourth Amendment Theory," 41 UCLA L.Rev. 199, 221-22, 248-49 (1993), parts of one's property that don't play host to private activities lost much of their Fourth Amendment protection. Oliver v. United States, supra, 466 U.S. at 177-84, 104 S.Ct. 1735. But curtilage—the part of one's property, besides the house itself, in which private activities normally take place—remains protected."
 

Skinny Leaf

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Wow. At least a jury trial is scheduled. Jesus God.

Let it happen to them someday, those who say it's just fine. Let it happen to them, or someone they love. The song will not remain the same, they'll start jumping like you stepped on their toes.

The cops in our town are going to start wearing bodycams. They are all up in arms due to privacy concerns. Fuck the cops privacy.

Back to the curtilage. In the decision it said "open fields". Whats open about a fence and locked gate? Would that not construe private property where private activities take place? Is a fence not suppose to be a deterrent to some one trespassing on private property? I assume from the article a search warrant was issued after said surveillance. That should be enough to throw it out. It appears the DEA had evidence enough to issue an arrest warrant after getting video of the alleged crime. Add to the fact they are excluding the area from "curtilage" they didn't need a search warrant they could have just walked out to the crop and snapped some polaroids. Again I call bullshit. These two guys are getting the big shaft, for the weed anyway.
 

Skinny Leaf

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Doesn't it seem like the ones that hold the gavel are just making up the rules as we go along? For some reason I feel like someone is cheating.
 

dank.frank

ef.yu.se.ka.e.em
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You silly guys....lol....you actually THINK the constitution still matters to the mad hatters and crooks running the show...nahhhh...that is just arbitrary paper...


dank.Frank
 

Hammerhead

Disabled Farmer
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what state is this ?? I fear that if there in a none med state even with a trial they will be found guilty. Most of the public still has issues with cannabis. If there in a none med state it will even be worse with less cannabis educated people.

From now on you will need to search your property for surveillance devices.
 

Stranger

Member
Would love to know if I smash cameras that are not mine on my property, would I be charged with obstruction or destroying government property?

We are all renters...
 
i was thinkin bout the wireless. they may have used memory chips though. it was the dea, and they got the expensive toys. the feds will crawl up your ass if they want you! very dangerous adversary...uh-uh, don't like em.
 

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