SolarOasis LED

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Anyone up on the SolarOasis LED?

They look very similar to the EVO brand used famously by Mr. X. The big difference, they are available in the US, and don't have the power system issues (maybe).

My concerns: seem VERY low in power draw!??

I'm thinking about getting a few to check them out...worst case scenario I will use them for cloning and early veg.

Would love to hear if anyone here has used them?

I've looked through the retailers list but don't see them.

Thanks all

 

[rives]

7.2 or 9.6 watts??? I bet that they could make a 15 watt HID look sick by comparison.

Sorry, but I just can't imagine them working well for what we do. Maybe for growing ferns indoors?

 

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Yeah rives,

Didn't think it looked that good (from a wattage front)...but in terms of MANY points of light, and lining the area with sources of light it looked interesting. As you know from my recent posts I'm pretty pissed off at the "big" panel concept. Feel like I wasted 1300 bucks on the ES330. Which for my needs effectively covers an 18 gal rubbermaid bin.

Thinking maybe low wattage spread throughout the space is the move....although I also think you are right...these are TOO low wattage. I see them growing orchids but not much else. Oh well!!

Lumigrow is officially not offering the 165 anymore and their "new" Pro line looks like it would only be more of a disappointment than the ES330!! Small footprint with MORE wattage...wow, that's useful!!?

Think I'm gonna have to go with another company...oh well, the search continues...

Thanks for the quick response, I enjoy your input.

 

[vukman]

This is the type of shit that just fucking steams my onions!!!!!!!! People go out and spend their hard earned money and then they get shafted by greedy retailers who think of nothing and no one except themselves and how to line their pockets.

Those type of business practices is what gives LEDs a bad name. That and the unfounded wild claims which abound all the time....The usual:

"This 90W LED is better than a 100W HID".............shit such as that is all over the place.
I recently said to someone that all things being equal, a 1kW LED (with proper ratio and spectra) will smoke a 1kW HID. We are at the point where we can actually say that the ratio is close to being on a 1:2 scale and by that I mean a 500W LED is equal to a 1000W HID for production. Once again....proper wave lengths and ratio are vital as I found out when I bought my first LEDs and wasn't too happy with the results.

My first attempt with the LEDs was a whopping 0.3gr/W although I have to admit that there were other issues like a nasty infestation of cooties (Thrips). None the less, I did not give up on LEDs but rather read and read and learned everything I could and now I feel as though I have a better handle on what is needed and am expecting much better results with this next grow.

I have to say that I am happy to see that people are willing to continue to try LEDs even though a piece of crap retailer left a bad taste in their mouth..

BRAVO!!!!!!!

Good Luck

 

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Hey vukman...yeah, I'm definitely pretty far along in the "education" part of led...I have a crap 1w panel that I use for veg plus the supposed Cadillac Lumigrow ES330.

I actually think it's a lot closer to 1 to 1 than you might think.!!?

I've heard that from some experienced LED growers.

I have the Lumigrow which the manufacturer (and some growers on here) claim could replace a 600w HPS. There is NO WAY that the single unit could possibly replace the throw of my Adjust-a-wing reflector and 600 watter!! So to go with Lumigrow my only option is to hang another one...well now I'm up to 660 watts!! AND 2600 bucks!!

Hence my actual question posed here...if you read up on SolarOasis...they have some BIG claims of LED science behind their product. And is close to looking like the EVO units...which I like the appearance of..because of my experience with LED and the distribution of the light source points. Spread throughout the canopy. I was thinking of buying the 8 pack and completely covering the space...which is the way I think you have to go with ANY LED!!

I really think it's important to spread out the points of light throughout the canopy! I don't think the way to go is BIG panel with BIG wattage from one source point! I think LEDs are the way to go for a number of reasons. But I think too many people think in that HID mind set of one big light..the problem is there is NO throw from LED so your panel size is pretty much your spread!!! (a little more obviously, but not much...you get the idea)

And I agree with you that too many people get involved and ripped off..then pissed off...game over!

After looking at the SolarOasis site I was just wondering if anyone had any direct knowledge...that's all.

Thanks for responding...I just want to help others to make the right choice. And make the right choice myself. Definitely more LEDs in my future.

 

[PetFlora]

Check out www/astirgrow.com

22 watt panels, but lots of them

 

[habeeb]

keep goin,

you make some good points

people also need to keep in mind, I don't think were locked on spectrum for a while. as we can see with a couple good blues you can achieve better then what a MH can do...

also, we are the ones willing to push the technology, so sour grapes are to be expected.. just push on, and know when people later down the road are using LED, you pushed it use..

third, as you mentioned, and I think it's critical for everyone, is to buy your panels depending on spacing size.. if you have a big area, you get multiple panels...



I've used the lumigrow.. through the ringer, no one grow.. it was ok, the most complaint I have was the noise on it, second is the use of to much blue I think.

using the evo led's, besides my fiasco....... they were ok, looking back on it, they were a little low wattage, but good for someone wanting a small setup.. as they produced fairly well considering I was moving at the time, so didn't optimally grow them, and went on a trip.... if I got them again I would double the watts..... my suggestion is don't go over a foot with the plants, and if going over, trim all lower branches..



I am on to using the HGL now.. and I must say I like them, all stories and drama aside, I wanted a LED that seemed better built then the average panel. I feel I have found that with this panel, and the option of switching out led clusters will make this panel alot longer lived then anything you can find currently..

I do know HGL is coming out with a model that can switch power modes in the same shell they have... then I hear they are coming out with something right now called, SOL . that's all I know on them.. also you can get them much cheaper if you get a panel someone returned to get a different size...


the best quality built led goes to kessil, and at the same time worse led goes to kessil.. they have some money backing them, but obviously not the brightest brains in that facility



these are some thoughts on LED, sorry if off topic

 

[hempfield]

Check out www/astirgrow.com

22 watt panels, but lots of them

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[vukman]

it's with an "S" on the end...

http://astirgrows.com/

Good Luck

 

[hempfield]

it's with an "S" on the end...

http://astirgrows.com/

Good Luck

Thanks brother !

To high to spell !

 

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Hey Habeeb...

No need to apologize...topics sometimes evolve...

What's the word on the Kessil..??

Funny that you should mention them. I have just recently been looking at them with great interst. I am definitely thinking that 4 of them surrounding my ES330...ya know out in the corners. Would allow me to completely cover a 40"x40" canopy over a 3'x3' tray.

Not sure what you have heard good & bad...please elaborate...

Great to hear that you are having good luck with HGL...I couldn't see getting from them.

After the big claims of the benefit of 1w chips clustered rather than higher watt chips...then switching to 3w chips...oh boy that was the straw for me...along with all the drama and nonsense surrounding the company/owner!??! I also saw their unit taken apart, horrible heat management. But glad you are getting results. I've said before results are results.!!

Hopefully you can elaborate on the Kessils (or someone can) I am going to need something to take up the edges of my canopy. And I would like to do it with LED rather than T5's or some other option.

Thanks

 

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Hey PetFlora..

Went to check out that site...not up with info yet "under construction".

But yeah...LOTS of led I think IS the move. What I have seen from using them you need to cover the area with light sources...rather than the HID mindset of a big single source of light.
If you want a canopy there...you better have a light source over it..!!!

I just don't want to go TOO small and regret it...hence the origin of this tread. That company (solarO) doesn't seem to be "heavy in the game"...but prob because they are better suited to growing basil, salad, or orchids. And are for real. (for those applications)
They are not saying use our lights and 90w will replace your 600w HID.

Too many companies today are just out to rip people off...that's why I like being able to hash out real info from people in the know who have actually used items for the same thing I plan on using them for.

 

[PetFlora]

The other thing that multi small panels achieve is the ability to angle them. The more angled panels, the better the coverage.

In my set up my ufo 90 lights from the top while the vanity light bar is ~ 12" lower and has 45* Ys which allows me to run 2 more low watt screw bulb leds at different angles.

I plan to replace the 4 bulb vanity light bar (seen in photo 1) with 3, or more smaller ones set in a triangle around the plant(s). Until I do that I simply move the vanity around the plant each day

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[hempfield]

Don't you think that all this changes on the light composition, intensity and orientation will stress the lady ? Cose it's seems to me that she is preparing to flower (or it's just an optical ilusion?) ...

 

[BrownThumb]

I was thinking of buying the 8 pack and completely covering the space...which is the way I think you have to go with ANY LED!!

Precisely why I went with the LG-G011B @ <$600. It is huge compared to most other LED's of similar wattage meaning the footprint just about perfectly covers my 2.2' space. It's hotter than I would like, but it covers pretty well and could likely do slightly more space.

Sorry to hear you feel burnt, I may be joining you in the pissed dept. if this crop comes out scraggly and airy, but it's looking so far like that will not be the case. To be honest, I am cheating a little and have a BS 180 as a cross light at the base of the left side of the plants and 1 68 watt cfl in the middle of the bottom.

BTW, Petflora, great idea on the vanity bar...about 16 for the bar and maybe 10 on bulbs? Smart!

 

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Yeah, "burnt" might be a bit harsh...late night posting ya know.

I mean I did get 7 zips off 4 mediocre "extra" clones with some impressive NOT fluffy nugs.

Actually better quality than my HPS right next to it...just more of a "centered" or "core" coverage as they call it than expected!? I think if I put 4x approx 100w units around my ES in the corners I'll be fine!

Either the Kessils, or Cali Lightworks makes a small 100w unit with 5w chips that looks like it might be a perfect fit. It's the surrounding of the ES I need to worry about. Directly under the unit it definitely works great!!

And yeah Petflora angling the lights is definitely a good approach as well with lower wattage units.

 

[agios antonios]

Thanks brother !

To high to spell !

www.astirgrows.com

Started selling online!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jcmjrt]

the best quality built led goes to kessil, and at the same time worse led goes to kessil.. they have some money backing them, but obviously not the brightest brains in that facility

What's the word on the Kessil..??

Hopefully you can elaborate on the Kessils (or someone can) I am going to need something to take up the edges of my canopy. And I would like to do it with LED rather than T5's or some other option.

Thanks

I agree with Habeeb on many of his points including Kessil being a quality build but I had an excellent grow with my Kessils. I did use fluorescent side lighting (but then that's what I usually do as I don't like low larf). Some have speculated that the white light from the fluorescents filled in the Kessils spectrum. I haven't grown without side lighting and probably won't;I can't see why I should reduce my yield just to prove a useless point to me.

I can say that I started off with one, went to two and now own four Kessils H350s and a spectral spinner. I have also diy'd four more small fixtures to add to that spinner - all dimmable - white fix, royal blue, and two 660 nm red fixtures. I figure I'll change the spectrum as time goes along in the grow. In addition, I have two strip white LED strip panel lights which are going to provide side lighting and replace the fluorescent lighting.

Since you already have the lumigrow get a light mover to provide you with coverage and Kessils or hans panel or maybe astirgrow or better yet diy'd fixtures to fill in any light holes/provide side lighting/enhance spectrum. You can pretty much project where your holes are going to be with a scale drawing and remembering that LED grows best what is directly under and maybe 2 - 6 inches to the side.