Best Beneficial Bacteria product, to replace Voodoo Juice, in Hydroponic system

[FreedomFightr]

So what u develop better roots using These products (ZHO,Great white, Pirahana) etc. Or would using like a Roots Excelerator or regen a root Etc...? be better?
Right now Im really at a cross road, I keep going back and forth between Botanicare and Dyna.

 

[Avinash.miles]

granulars (plant success great wite orca subcultures M & B tarantula, etc) even if water soluble work great for direct to root aplications during transplant,
liquids like voodoo juice, liquid karma, and my fav floralicious plus (GH) are prolly better for recirculating systems

roots excelutator from H&G is a tonic for root repair and growth not a beneficial (sumone already clarified that 4u tho) altho it works well in my experience, so does asprin for healthy roots

 

[HUGE]

Those are labeled as the root drench and soil/potted plants application rates. Thats to be used once every 2-3 weeks.

thanks. i was way off.

 

[ender87i]

The great white is perfectly fine to mix with a recirc system, it has hydro application on the back of the jar - and like someone mentioned, its like 2-3 scoops (tsp) for a 50 gal res.. It will last me an entire grow at that rate, so even though it was 'somewhat' spendy (like 35 bucks which is nothing compared to voodoo juice etc.) i got a good top shelf product that will last my entire grow.. As for roots excelurator, it was extremely expensive, but aside from the cost, you have to admit its an amazing product - and thats why i bought it. I need to 'renew' my roots and get them to thrive. So i personally think these 2 products will be great together, and im not sure why you guys are so hesitant to agree with me on that..?

 

[HUGE]

The great white is perfectly fine to mix with a recirc system, it has hydro application on the back of the jar - and like someone mentioned, its like 2-3 scoops (tsp) for a 50 gal res.. It will last me an entire grow at that rate, so even though it was 'somewhat' spendy (like 35 bucks which is nothing compared to voodoo juice etc.) i got a good top shelf product that will last my entire grow.. As for roots excelurator, it was extremely expensive, but aside from the cost, you have to admit its an amazing product - and thats why i bought it. I need to 'renew' my roots and get them to thrive. So i personally think these 2 products will be great together, and im not sure why you guys are so hesitant to agree with me on that..?

Great white is great. I just bought some today. But they make orca. Why did you choose great white over orca? Roots is also great. The only treason I'm skeptical is I just got done with many years of an ebb and gro and I'm trying to help you save money.

 

[ender87i]

Simply put, i didnt see Orca at the shop.. And since Great White has such a good reputation, i figured i couldnt go wrong. Plus the Roots Excel and bang! nice white roots with lots of love. Or at least thats what i was aiming for. lol.. But anyway, the Great White wasnt all that expensive, but dear lord the roots excel was. Whew, now thats a pretty penny. But we'll see if it holds up to its rep. I think it'll do good things.

 

[Jbonez]

Caps Bennies.. If you dont know yet... inform yourself, google is an innovative tool..

 

[ItsGrowTime]

You don't need root zone benes if your water temps in hydro are the proper 67F. Get a chiller and forget about dumping extra stuff into your res. Extra stuff usually means extra headaches. Keep it simple. RO and UV sterilize all water that contacts your roots, run a chiller and forget the bottles of benes. They "fix" a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place. I wish someone told me that a long time ago. It would have saved me a lot of headaches during earlier grows.

 

[soursmoker]

Caps Bennies.. If you dont know yet... inform yourself, google is an innovative tool..

i have been trying to tell them for the last 5 pages! thank god someone is with me!

 

[Jbonez]

i have been trying to tell them for the last 5 pages! thank god someone is with me!

You cant make the blind see bro, in fact, lets keep it on the low man, Im bout to stock up on the kilo's and I dont need every asshole and his brother buying buddy out of stock...

Besides, this shit aint for the rookies, they are still figuring out how to calculate nutrients and ph their shit right, all while running a half ass environment.. No, Id say let them buy great white.. more for us.

like my man DHF says... Baby shit..

 

[Shafto]

My favourite bennies are the ones that I don't have to pay for; the type that naturally occur when you create the right environment in your rhizosphere.

 

[Jbonez]

My favourite bennies are the ones that I don't have to pay for; the type that naturally occur when you create the right environment in your rhizosphere.

+rep

Could you let me in on the secret? What "naturally" occurring bennies are you referring to, if I may?

Now I see that your roots are free of any desease, pretty clean and otherwise healthy to the max, but Im a little confused on the whole naturally occurring bennies you are referring to..

Rez water at 70f will keep your roots clean man, thats easy shit..
What I am referring to is what the bennies are doing to improve your yield, facilitating max growth capability (transpiration at 100%)

Again, you have a healthy root system in that picture, and you may be wondering how you could possibly benefit from adding anything, but actually you are the grower I would target first before the newbs, afterall, if your enviro is that dialed, you are ready to move on to far more advanced grow processes...

what is your opinion?

 

[Shafto]

+rep

Could you let me in on the secret? What "naturally" occurring bennies are you referring to, if I may?

Now I see that your roots are free of any desease, pretty clean and otherwise healthy to the max, but Im a little confused on the whole naturally occurring bennies you are referring to..

Rez water at 70f will keep your roots clean man, thats easy shit..
What I am referring to is what the bennies are doing to improve your yield, facilitating max growth capability (transpiration at 100%)

Again, you have a healthy root system in that picture, and you may be wondering how you could possibly benefit from adding anything, but actually you are the grower I would target first before the newbs, afterall, if your enviro is that dialed, you are ready to move on to far more advanced grow processes...

what is your opinion?

No secrets. I honestly have no idea why so many people have trouble. Keep the water at 19-20C and keep it moving, add nutrients only, no sterilizing, no zymes, just nutes. If there's some solid science behind Capulator's bennies improving yield I'd be willing to try it out, but I'm also extremely sceptical of it making any positive difference at all, and I'm in fact a little nervous that it would unbalance and throw off my rhizosphere, possibly causing problems.

 

[Jbonez]

No secrets. I honestly have no idea why so many people have trouble. Keep the water at 19-20C and keep it moving, add nutrients only, no sterilizing, no zymes, just nutes. If there's some solid science behind Capulator's bennies improving yield I'd be willing to try it out, but I'm also extremely sceptical of it making any difference at all, and I'm in fact a little nervous that it would unbalance and throw off my rhizosphere, possibly causing problems.

Possibly causing problems in the rhizosphere? The rhizosphere is exactly what we are targeting.. Id say in a perfectly neutral, steril environment, that you would certainly see a benefit, namely in growth, vigor and over all yield.. Dont get me wrong, Ive been on caps stuff for a short amount of time, I like extreme gardenings stuff, but what I have now is more effective, and for the price, you cannot beat it!!

Im technically a hydro guy, I only fuck with coco these days, but I hand water or put em on drip emitters.. Coco is an underrated medium, organic, yet inert..

Adding thriving colonies of beneficial bacteria and fungi can never hurt my friend.. Its like saying Im skeptical about this particular vaccine that has never caused a single person to have a negative reaction, but then again, based on the pic, youre of the mindset that "if it aint broke" and I can totally see why you would be apprehensive..

good stuff man, just read up on the benefits, not just the problems it fixes..

 

[Shafto]

Possibly causing problems in the rhizosphere? The rhizosphere is exactly what we are targeting.. Id say in a perfectly neutral, steril environment, that you would certainly see a benefit, namely in growth, vigor and over all yield.. Dont get me wrong, Ive been on caps stuff for a short amount of time, I like extreme gardenings stuff, but what I have now is more effective, and for the price, you cannot beat it!!

Im technically a hydro guy, I only fuck with coco these days, but I hand water or put em on drip emitters.. Coco is an underrated medium, organic, yet inert..

Adding thriving colonies of beneficial bacteria and fungi can never hurt my friend.. Its like saying Im skeptical about this particular vaccine that has never caused a single person to have a negative reaction, but then again, based on the pic, youre of the mindset that "if it aint broke" and I can totally see why you would be apprehensive..

good stuff man, just read up on the benefits, not just the problems it fixes..

I'm fairly certain problems could arise from too much beneficial bacteria. Everything has a balance to it. Too much and the bacteria will compete with the plant for food, the excrement from the bacteria may build up high levels of certain things in excess if there are an excessive amount of them.

Maybe after artificially adding beneficial bacteria, they will compete with and wipe out the naturally existing bacteria in the rhizosphere already, causing me to have to keep artificially adding beneficial bacteria to combat the naturally occurring bad anaerobic bacteria.

I don't want to end up with a situation like you have after using bleach, or H202, once you kill all the bacteria the bad ones come back with a vengeance. By nature they reproduce in a boom-bust kind of way. As soon as there is an opening, as in all the bacteria has been killed off and the root ball is unpopulated, the anaerobic stuff will multiply like crazy and take over before the aerobic bacteria can build up enough of a population to fight them.

 

[shmalphy]

I collect my own

http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/20040401/Hamilton

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/BIO-9.pdf