Northern Lights. Impressive.

[Marquis de Sod]

from moondawg: " NL not only produces smoke thats just as p otent as those stains, but it produces twice as much smoke in 1/2 the time as they do, which keeps it on top of the cannabis world. " this part seems to fit my plants, but....

now i am thoroughly confused, because mine looks for all the world like a pure sativa, except for where it's budding, which to me looks like indica buds. but i was given 20 plants of these, so i don't know the lineage. no idea what kind of cross. but i am getting branching out all over, very few leafs and the ones it gets are totally sative looking, long fingers. oh well, my next main question is this

i have them under 24 hrs of light and i am getting blooming on my lower branches.l is this unusual or what? looks to be way more than just pre flowering. your pics all look way different than mine, yours look straight up indica.

 

[Bud_Man10]

Any pics you can post?

BM

 

[the 45 king]

from moondawg: " NL not only produces smoke thats just as p otent as those stains, but it produces twice as much smoke in 1/2 the time as they do, which keeps it on top of the cannabis world. " this part seems to fit my plants, but....

now i am thoroughly confused, because mine looks for all the world like a pure sativa, except for where it's budding, which to me looks like indica buds. but i was given 20 plants of these, so i don't know the lineage. no idea what kind of cross. but i am getting branching out all over, very few leafs and the ones it gets are totally sative looking, long fingers. oh well, my next main question is this

i have them under 24 hrs of light and i am getting blooming on my lower branches.l is this unusual or what? looks to be way more than just pre flowering. your pics all look way different than mine, yours look straight up indica.

It suppose to have a little thai in it

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

It suppose to have a little thai in it

Not the original NL seedlines. Those were 100% Afghan Indicas.

 

[yesum]

Classics Seeds says the NL #1 is 90% indica, got it from the original source. No big deal either way to me I guess.

 

[John Deere]

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

Classics Seeds says the NL #1 is 90% indica, got it from the original source. No big deal either way to me I guess.

That won't be the first time nor the last time a breeder tries to rewrite history.

What matters most is if you like the individual plant(s) you grow. Hope you enjoy, friend.

 

[redneck shogun]

What is the history of it? From what I can decipher from forum posts Classic claims Neville never got the west coast cut because Indian Jim had already been burned by seed companies and a University. So there may potentially be a Dutch history of NL and an American one.

Supposedly Neville got the #1 cut that was not the original and then crossed it out to make the later other versions.

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

What is the history of it? From what I can decipher from forum posts Classic claims Neville never got the west coast cut because Indian Jim had already been burned by seed companies and a University. So there is potentially a Dutch history of NL and an American one.

I don't remember all the details, but Neville told the full story while he was a moderator at the Mr Nice site's forum. I'm too lazy to search, but I'm pretty sure the posts are still up. I do, however, explicitly remember he mentioned several times that the original Northern Lights lines did not contain any Sativa... and of course, Shantibaba credits NL as a pure Afghani Indica on his site as well.

 

[Bud_Man10]

I don't remember all the details, but Neville told the full story while he was a moderator at the Mr Nice site's forum. I'm too lazy to search, but I'm pretty sure the posts are still up. I do, however, explicitly remember he mentioned several times that the original Northern Lights lines did not contain any Sativa... and of course, Shantibaba credits NL as a pure Afghani Indica on his site as well.

Got Neville's NL story right here:

When I first got the Northern Lights varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8. They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the U.S. NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilized into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds. The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure. There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had (there was Sam's Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way). The NL2 was a Kush. I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well ,try 50%. The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good! I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.

I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analyzing the NL lines, in particular the NL5. I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and U.S. NL5 female. I guessed that NL5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).

Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
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The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5.

BM

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[Highsenburg831]

So, what seeds that are available today most closely resemble old school NL?

 

[shmalphy]

My first grow ever was dr atomic NL... taste like grape bubblegum... looking back that plant was a prolific producer... might have to revisit her

 

[ElfstoneStrider]

Got Neville's NL story right here:

When I first got the Northern Lights varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8. They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the U.S. NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilized into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
NL1 was a full blood Afghan indica. One thick main stem, dark green leaves, modest yield with nuggety buds, a little coarse with good resin production, which when ripe went golden. The high was narcotic. The seeds ranged from tiny to massive. I used to love the big ones. Large fat heavily and darkly mottled seeds. Selecting for these seeds made this Afghan even coarser. It was fun to show people these seeds. The best line of NL1 actually came from the smaller seeded types, better high and bud structure. There weren't many pure indica lines around in those days. Big Bud, Hash Plant and G13 were pure indicas in my estimation, but were cuttings. NL1 was the only good pure Afghani male line I had (there was Sam's Afghani#1, but that was toxic in a bad way). The NL2 was a Kush. I put the NL1 out there as a pure strain. I wasn't popular. People would tell me, "give me the pure strains", but if it cost them 10% of their yield they would complain, well ,try 50%. The pure indica hybrids were more popular. NL1 x HP and NL1 x G13 were the best. At least people could use the word pure (very popular). But they were good! I expect that a lot of people holding what they believe to be pure indicas today, would find, if the truth be known, that the sire line traces back to NL1.

I did go to the States later and pick up the original U.S. NL5 mother and it was as it was described to me, part Thai. But my NL5 didn't seem to have any Thai influence. I spent a lot of time analyzing the NL lines, in particular the NL5. I only saw evidence of two indica male lines in the NL series and that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and U.S. NL5 female. I guessed that NL5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL).

Northern Lights changed the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker), but it was mostly through NL5. You've got to marvel at fate for dropping that one extreme plant into the lap of a budding seed breeder.
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The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5.

BM

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Thanks for digging that up! There are a few other similar posts, too. So the NL #1-8 were seedlines, as I remembered, with #1 being a pure Afghan and # 2 being a pure Kush, and the rest hybrids of pure Indica origin. The confusion about the Thai came later when Nevil picked up a #5 cut and was told there was Thai in it, but as he stated above he did not accept this as fact. In any case, NL originated as 8 Pure (hybridized) Indica seedlines.

Fascinating history for such a legendary line!

 

[Bud_Man10]

First time I ran Atomic NL I was highly optimistic, however, ended up 'majorly' disappointed. Popped 10, 6 females, all grew very well, but neither was very good. Maybe I was expecting too much, hoping to find a 'gem' close to my SSSC NL. I've got 20 more beans that I've been meaning to 'sift through', but haven't gotten around to yet (since I acquired the SSSC genetics, it has become very low priority...but someday...). I did however find his Thai Lights and NL x Blueberry pretty good.

Yeah, a pal of mine has a real "Nice" Ortega.

BM

 

[Phillthy]

have 1 dr atomic nl in flower now with 7 more to go in.

 

[Bud_Man10]

Hope you find a 'great' one in there somewhere Phillthy. How far along is the one in flower?

BM

 

[Phillthy]

about 4 weeks if i remember correct. starting to put on weight now.

 

[Bud_Man10]

Yeah, once they kick into gear they pack it on pretty fast. She should yield fairly well, all the ones I grew out were pretty good weight wise. Here's a pic of the last one I grew out a few years back.

BM