Some motherf*ckin' LED's

[Phychotron]

Just showing off, but input is always welcome.

Side shot of the grow area. 4'x8' but flowering in a 4x6 area.
from left to right Lemon Ice, grape god & afgoo behind it, ggod clones behind chemdog scrog. Ignore those plants on the right of the scrog. They were some testers that I've been seriously neglecting.

Showing all the lights. Four Blackstar-240UV with the 400w Diamond series from Advanced LED between them. Next is a cheap fixture my bro gave me then half the lights went out (not the PS). It still works well for veg. I added it today to put next to the 180w Extreme Flower from Advanced LED.

I added the broken light so that the 180 would cover the grape god that just went into flower and it would cover the chemdog scrog experiment for now. 3 gallon rootpots all coco and I just set up Blumats for them. I think I am going to end up with 5 gallon pots and use two blumats and have ~6 topped/trained plants to take up all the area. instead of the 3 gal.

The ggod mother from the single seed I ordered. It has great vigor; fast and beefy.

Close up of the grape god with the flash. Day 21 of flower. it was planted right before a heat wave in August and I thought it was a goner for sure. It slowly came back to life and as soon as I put it in the 5 gallon of all coco it started growing like crazy.

I'm using Canna Coco A/B + all other additives and my plants have never been healthier. I want to get 2 more 400w DS's and ditch the blackstars. They just don't have the intensity that the DS does. Without the broken fixture (that runs about 150w if i recall) the lights draw 1064w.

 

[siftedunity]

im interested in leds but you rarely get unbiased reviews online. how much do you normally yield off them compeared to hps?

 

[vukman]

nothing wrong with showing off Phychotron..........especially if you've got that kind of action going on with LED's..

 

[Phychotron]

I skipped over HID. It's really hard to say because I haven't been able to do a single uniform grow. Its been perpetual-ish with lots of light changes at different phases. The last time I had the 1064w all together though it did ~.8gpw @ 29oz, but the plants were in different stages and lighting and size. I cropped early and could have got a few more oz had I let them fill out. On top of that I had a blackstar-500 that crapped out on me and I had to wait a few weeks for Gotham to get the replacement to me. I opted for two 240's to lessen the heat load since it has no heat sink, just a thin sheet of metal. I put the t5 4x4 up in its absence.

The Grapegod is going to be my only plant and I'll have the setup stabilized in the future. I don't want a bunch of plants in different phase and size. Nice and uniform. Plus this Grapegod is a fast one so its pk week is off and would have to mix separate tanks for different speed plants. I have a Northern Lights seed that is suppose to be same height and flower period that I plan on introducing in the future, but for now just the Grapegod.

 

[siftedunity]

.8g per watt is pretty much the same as most peoples average with hid. so pretty good going. definately interested in the leds for the furture. thanks for showing man

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

First off, nice to see someone rockin the advanced led lights, second maybe you can answer a couple q's i got. How is the humidity from only runnin leds? How are your temps? I am going
to run the extreme flower 180w model next week an if it proves to be good get another 2 next cycle.

 

[Phychotron]

Humidity is between 40-60%, I keep a fan on low continuously, and when the lights come on I open the tent and/or crank up the fan so it wont overheat. I'm waiting to buy a temp/humidity controller for it. The lights can heat the air quickly if its sealed off for a few minutes, but it really depends on the weather right now. Now that its cooler in my apartment it takes longer for that to happen.

They can hold the bedroom temperature at ~80º but the tent can get in the 90's if its sealed and the fan on low. One of the reasons I want to get rid of the Blackstars is because the heat:light ratio is not as good as Advanced. There is more stretching and smaller buds in comparison. I hate not having more 400DS's because when I shuffle the plants around they get uneven light amounts throughout flower.

That tent is my primary heat source, but it will soon be too cold outside for them to heat my apartment. The last few days have required less and less venting. It is 8pm and the lights came on with the temp at 69º. I have my thermostat set to the low 60's and my heater should kick on any day now.

I have the fan blow into my 4x4 veg tent thats right next to it, and then it has a temperature/ fan speed control that blows air into my living room when it becomes too hot in there. Without a humidity controller I need airflow in both tents and thats the best way with the equipment I have. If I had the flower tent blowing directly into my living room it would stay much cooler since the air it draws is from the room would be much cooler. I plan on doing that when i get my controller.

 

[siftedunity]

the thing is i run 600 or 1000w hps i wouldnt even know where to start with what kind of led id need to replace those. are they cheaper to run compeared to hps? (with the same growth/yield)

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

so the temps get into the 90's with the tent closed....thats not really a great deal of lower heat temps. whats the deal with the"virtually no heat" mumbo jumbo....i have a 4x8 hydrohut too an eventually want.to fill it with 3 panels that cover 3x3. How.warm do the advanced leds feel with your hand under them?

 

[FunkBomb]

That is a very nice LED tent you've got running. Keep up the good work.

-Funk

 

[rives]

so the temps get into the 90's with the tent closed....thats not really a great deal of lower heat temps. whats the deal with the"virtually no heat" mumbo jumbo....

Here is a link discussing that very thing. People have a hard time understanding the amount of heat that comes off of LEDs because it is so different than HIDs.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=247330

It looks like you have a magenta jungle going, Phycotron!

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Guess I will have to see for myself, as my temps.where I live are.gettin very cold.an I got.tons of ventilation runnin....thanx for the info rives

 

[oneshot]

so the temps get into the 90's with the tent closed....thats not really a great deal of lower heat temps. whats the deal with the"virtually no heat" mumbo jumbo....i have a 4x8 hydrohut too an eventually want.to fill it with 3 panels that cover 3x3. How.warm do the advanced leds feel with your hand under them?

He is running 7 lights in one small-ish tent and it's only 90....

I'd say that's pretty good.

 

[Phychotron]

When i was in the 4x4 I've seen it get to 103 when the exhaust fan was unplugged. mid 90's was not uncommon if left unchecked. But like it was mentioned earlier, LED heat is different heat.

Its just not getting cold outside and inside. Last night I had only turned the fan up a little and unzipped the lower part of a door for airflow and it stayed at 80 almost all night, the bedroom at 70. it went up a little by the end of their day to ~82. I cant wait to get the humidity/temp control so the fan will only run when needed.

 

[medmaker420]

looks great man!

One thing that I focus on while doing my led testing is to not listen to the "hps vs. led" bullshit because it really doesn't solve anything. Everyone, as in ALL GROWERS who tend to complain about leds tend to not even hit .75 gpw WITH hps yet hold all led grows to a 2+ gpw and if they can't hit it then its a waste of money and time.

Here is my opinion as a GROWER not a talker....

hps gives me headaches, I hate working in a tent, cab or room with hps in it. Can it yield more than leds? so far YES as I haven't gotten to my harvest yet HOWEVER I haven't had a single headache working with the leds and to me that is important. I am not a cash cropper and props to those who are HOWEVER most bitching are comparing apples to oranges and right now apples give me headaches as a patient, as a grower and in general I am BORED of hps grows, replacing $100 bulbs etc.

As far as temps, I have ran multiple 1k hps bulbs and that is HOT as in needing an ac else you don't get a crop. With the 5+ led panels that I am working with in flower, the temps ARE night and day and no one could ever convince me otherwise as my opinion is based on my real world experience currently.

90 degrees under led is NOT like 90 degrees under hps ( as if you could ever get an hps bulb to register that low ), touch a hps bulb of any wattage then touch a led panel of the same wattage and tell me your opinion on temps. I know they are different as I have burns to prove hps are fuckin hot LOL

Keep up the great grow and no matter what hps growers who know nothing other than a hps 1k, keep growing under those leds and kill it brother.

As far as temps, I can touch any of the led panels I currently grow under with my hand. Its warm indeed but compared to hps or hell just regular light bulbs it is not a comparison in the least.

end of rant.

 

[vukman]

looks great man!

One thing that I focus on while doing my led testing is to not listen to the "hps vs. led" bullshit because it really doesn't solve anything. Everyone, as in ALL GROWERS who tend to complain about leds tend to not even hit .75 gpw WITH hps yet hold all led grows to a 2+ gpw and if they can't hit it then its a waste of money and time.

Here is my opinion as a GROWER not a talker....

hps gives me headaches, I hate working in a tent, cab or room with hps in it. Can it yield more than leds? so far YES as I haven't gotten to my harvest yet HOWEVER I haven't had a single headache working with the leds and to me that is important. I am not a cash cropper and props to those who are HOWEVER most bitching are comparing apples to oranges and right now apples give me headaches as a patient, as a grower and in general I am BORED of hps grows, replacing $100 bulbs etc.

As far as temps, I have ran multiple 1k hps bulbs and that is HOT as in needing an ac else you don't get a crop. With the 5+ led panels that I am working with in flower, the temps ARE night and day and no one could ever convince me otherwise as my opinion is based on my real world experience currently.

90 degrees under led is NOT like 90 degrees under hps ( as if you could ever get an hps bulb to register that low ), touch a hps bulb of any wattage then touch a led panel of the same wattage and tell me your opinion on temps. I know they are different as I have burns to prove hps are fuckin hot LOL

Keep up the great grow and no matter what hps growers who know nothing other than a hps 1k, keep growing under those leds and kill it brother.

As far as temps, I can touch any of the led panels I currently grow under with my hand. Its warm indeed but compared to hps or hell just regular light bulbs it is not a comparison in the least.

end of rant.

Rant away brother....we've got big shoulders...we can take it..

 

[Phychotron]

Grapegod day 26 of flower.

clones day 10. I dropped a box fan on them from five feet up when I was hooking the blumats up. Good to see they didn't take too much damage, just a few scraped leaves. These are under the 180 Extreme flower.

This is the fastest plant I've ever grown by far. Here is what the roots looked like on the 8th day in the aerocloner.

Scraped a few lines of skin off with an x-acto and a half a capful of superthrive, since I read that it has IBA, the rooting hormone.

 

[Baino]

it looks good.. and very fine roots you got going there.

 

[vukman]

looks good there phycho...real good.....

 

[Phychotron]

Some updates

grapegod day 30 of flower

about as close up as i can get with this camera

Far back is a row of Lemon Ice @ almost 10 weeks, but they didnt go into flower right away due to a light leak. The left center is afgoo, to the right of that is the grapegod. Then the bottom left is the chemdog. The last three are all on the same flower period, but the grapegod is smoking them. Its a 7-8wk plant vs 10-12 on the others.