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Decriminalise drug use, say experts after six-year study

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/15/decriminalise-drug-use-say-experts?fb=optOut

Advisors say no serious rise in consumption is likely if possession of small amounts of controlled drugs is allowed

A six-year study of Britain's drug laws by leading scientists, police officers, academics and experts has concluded it is time to introduce decriminalisation.
The report by the UK Drug Policy Commission (UKDPC), an independent advisory body, says possession of small amounts of controlled drugs should no longer be a criminal offence and concludes the move will not lead to a significant increase in use.
The experts say the criminal sanctions imposed on the 42,000 people sentenced each year for possession of all drugs – and the 160,000 given cannabis warnings – should be replaced with simple civil penalties such as a fine, attendance at a drug awareness session or a referral to a drug treatment programme.
They also say that imposing minimal or no sanctions on those growing cannabis for personal use could go some way to undermining the burgeoning illicit cannabis factories controlled by organised crime.
But their report rejects any more radical move to legalisation, saying that allowing the legal sale of drugs such as heroin or cocaine could cause more damage than the existing drugs trade.
The commission is chaired by Dame Ruth Runciman with a membership that includes the former head of the British Medical Research Council, Prof Colin Blakemore, and the former chief inspector of constabulary, David Blakey.
The report says their analysis of the evidence shows that existing drugs policies struggle to make an impact and, in some cases, may make the problem worse.
The work of the commission is the first major independent report on drugs policy since the influential Police Foundation report 12 years ago called for an end to the jailing of those possessing cannabis.
The UKDPC's membership also includes Prof John Strang, head of the National Addictions Centre, Prof Alan Maynard, a specialist in health economics, and Lady Ilora Finlay, a past president of the Royal Society of Medicine.
The report says that although levels of illicit drug use in Britain have declined in recent years, they are still much higher than in many other countries. The UK has 2,000 drug-related deaths each year and more than 380,000 problem drug users.
The 173-page report concludes: "Taking drugs does not always cause problems, but this is rarely acknowledged by policymakers. In fact most users do not experience significant problems, and there is some evidence that drug use can have benefits in some circumstances."
The commission's radical critique says the current UK approach is simplistic in seeing all drug use as problematic, fails to recognise that entrenched drug problems are linked to inequality and social exclusion, and that separating drugs from alcohol and tobacco use makes it more difficult to tackle the full range of an individual's substance use.
It says the £3bn a year spent tackling illegal drugs is not based on any evidence of what works, with much of the money wasted on policies that are not cost-effective.
It argues that even large-scale seizures by the police often have little or no sustained impact on the supply of drugs; that Just Say No campaigns in schools sometimes actually lead to more young people using drugs; and that pushing some users to become abstinent too quickly can lead to a greater chance of relapse or overdose and death.
The commission argues a fresh approach based on the available evidence should be tested. Its main proposals include:
• Changing drug laws so that possession of small amounts of drugs for personal use would be a civil rather than criminal offence. This would start with cannabis and, if an evaluation showed no substantial negative impacts, move on to other drugs. The experience of Portugal and the Czech Republic shows that drug use would not increase and resources can be directed to treating addiction and tackling organised crime.
• Reviewing sentencing practice so that those caught growing below a specified low volume of cannabis plants faced no, or only minimal, sanctions. But the production and supply of most drugs should remain illegal.
• Reviewing the level of penalties applied against those involved in production and supply, as there is little evidence to show that the clear upward drift in the length of prison sentences in recent years has proved a deterrent or had any long-term impact on drug supply in Britain.
• Reviewing the 1971 Misuse of Drugs Act so that technical decisions about the classification of individual drugs are no longer taken by the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) or politicians but instead by an independent body with parliamentary oversight.
• Setting up a cross-party forum including the three main political party leaders to forge the political consensus needed to push through such a radical change in approach.
Blakemore said: "Medicine has moved past the age when we treated disease on the basis of hunches and received wisdom. The overwhelming consensus now is that it is unethical, inefficient and dangerous to use untested and unvalidated methods of treatment and prevention. It is time that policy on illicit drug use starts taking evidence seriously as well."
Blakey, who is also a former president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said the current approach of police taking action against people using drugs was expensive and did not appear to bring much benefit. "When other countries have reduced sanctions for low-level drug users, they have found it possible to keep a lid on drug use while helping people with drug problems to get into treatment," the former chief constable said. "But at the same time, we need to continue to bear down on those producing and supplying illicit drugs. This is particularly important for those spreading misery in local communities."
Runciman said government programmes had done much to reduce the damage caused by the drug problem over the past 30 years, with needle exchanges reducing HIV among injecting drug users and treatment programmes which had helped many to rebuild their lives. The commission's chair said: "Those programmes are supported by evidence, but much of the rest of drug policy does not have an adequate evidence base. We spend billions of pounds every year without being sure of what difference much of it makes."
The home secretary, Theresa May, last month ruled out any moves towards decriminalisation, saying it would lead to further problems.
She told MPs she considered cannabis a gateway drug: "People can die as a result of taking drugs, and significant mental health problems can arise as a result of taking drugs."
 
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noyd666

:biggrin: i sorta agree about the gateway drug slant, after last nights toke ,i sorta :blowbubbles:run into the bloody gateeeee:dance013:
 
Alcohol and cigarettes are the gateway drugs most kids drink or smoke long before cannabis which doesn't have the addictive problems. Its bout time they accept cannabis is way better than hard drugs or legal drugs if it was legal the underground would be separated from pot like cigarets but actually good for people.
 

Hydro-Soil

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Cannabis shouldn't even be part of this conversation.

Cannabis should be in the butter, your Rx, medicinal salves and in the backyard for medicine and clothing (hemp). It used to be part of every day life as the useful plant it is.

Things need to return to that way of thinking about cannabis.

Stay Safe! :blowbubbles:
 

Happy_Cabbage

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"The home secretary, Theresa May, last month ruled out any moves towards decriminalisation, saying it would lead to further problems.
She told MPs she considered cannabis a gateway drug: "People can die as a result of taking drugs, and significant mental health problems can arise as a result of taking drugs."

Utter bullshit, she completely dismissed the evidence before her, instead she makes statements based on her own opinion.
 

Harry Gypsna

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"Decriminalise drug use" say experts after six-year study
"La la la, I can't hear you" Says government after coffee
 

Max Yields

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Decriminalize drug use & start criminalizing real criminals & overall asshats in power.
This goes for the entire world!
 

Harry Gypsna

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crack? ice? heroin? decriminalise some i reckon. not all
All should be legalized because the law doesn't prevent problems, it creates them. Most overdoses happen due to fluctuating purity in the black market. Violent crime only happens because of the artificially inflated price. If a crack addict could get all the crack they needed for a week for the same money as an alcoholic can get his weeks supply of white star for, they wouldn't be mugging anyone. Junkies don't want to be out committing crime--they want to be home on the sofa getting high.
Also, saying "decriminalize the drug I like, but not the others" is just the same hypocrisy we hear from alcohol users about Cannabis.
Legalizing Cannabis, but leaving the other drugs will do nothing at all to curb gang violence and the drug cartels. We need to take it all away. Anyone who thinks legalizing Cannabis alone will destroy gangs is deluded, or just thinks fuck the other drug users,"I don't like their drug so they deserve to be robbed or ripped off".
Most of the arguments for legal weed hold up for the other drugs, sure some them can kill you(so can sky diving), but most of the deaths come about because of prohibition, not in spite of it.
There would not be a large increase in the number of addicts--sure some ex addicts might go back if the major downsides were removed, but there would not be many extra new addicts--to prove this, ask yourself, "Is the law the only thing stopping me from shooting smack into my groin? Would I smoke crack tomorrow if it became legal?" All the people who want to take heavy drugs are already taking them, the law does nothing but make something potentially harmful into something definatley even more harmful.
Until 1971 in the UK, heroin was prescribed by doctors to addicts, and Heroin addicts numbered a few hundred then the Misuse of drugs act came in and criminalised smack and there was a massive explosion in numbers of addicts, now we have hundreds of thousands.
They call Illegal drugs "Controlled substances"----this is a joke
Legalize-Control.
 

8cyril8

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All should be legalized because the law doesn't prevent problems, it creates them. Most overdoses happen due to fluctuating purity in the black market. Violent crime only happens because of the artificially inflated price. If a crack addict could get all the crack they needed for a week for the same money as an alcoholic can get his weeks supply of white star for, they wouldn't be mugging anyone. Junkies don't want to be out committing crime--they want to be home on the sofa getting high.
Also, saying "decriminalize the drug I like, but not the others" is just the same hypocrisy we hear from alcohol users about Cannabis.
Legalizing Cannabis, but leaving the other drugs will do nothing at all to curb gang violence and the drug cartels. We need to take it all away. Anyone who thinks legalizing Cannabis alone will destroy gangs is deluded, or just thinks fuck the other drug users,"I don't like their drug so they deserve to be robbed or ripped off".
Most of the arguments for legal weed hold up for the other drugs, sure some them can kill you(so can sky diving), but most of the deaths come about because of prohibition, not in spite of it.
There would not be a large increase in the number of addicts--sure some ex addicts might go back if the major downsides were removed, but there would not be many extra new addicts--to prove this, ask yourself, "Is the law the only thing stopping me from shooting smack into my groin? Would I smoke crack tomorrow if it became legal?" All the people who want to take heavy drugs are already taking them, the law does nothing but make something potentially harmful into something definatley even more harmful.
Until 1971 in the UK, heroin was prescribed by doctors to addicts, and Heroin addicts numbered a few hundred then the Misuse of drugs act came in and criminalised smack and there was a massive explosion in numbers of addicts, now we have hundreds of thousands.
They call Illegal drugs "Controlled substances"----this is a joke
Legalize-Control.
So true
 

rasputin

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It's working pretty well for Portugal. But why should that matter? Logic and reason never factored into their decision making before. Why start now?
 
Regardless of all the advise.....
The home secretary, Theresa May, last month ruled out any moves towards decriminalisation, saying it would lead to further problems.
She told MPs she considered cannabis a gateway drug: "People can die as a result of taking drugs, and significant mental health problems can arise as a result of taking drugs."
Pathetic!

P.
 

siftedunity

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All should be legalized because the law doesn't prevent problems, it creates them. Most overdoses happen due to fluctuating purity in the black market. Violent crime only happens because of the artificially inflated price. If a crack addict could get all the crack they needed for a week for the same money as an alcoholic can get his weeks supply of white star for, they wouldn't be mugging anyone. Junkies don't want to be out committing crime--they want to be home on the sofa getting high.
Also, saying "decriminalize the drug I like, but not the others" is just the same hypocrisy we hear from alcohol users about Cannabis.
Legalizing Cannabis, but leaving the other drugs will do nothing at all to curb gang violence and the drug cartels. We need to take it all away. Anyone who thinks legalizing Cannabis alone will destroy gangs is deluded, or just thinks fuck the other drug users,"I don't like their drug so they deserve to be robbed or ripped off".
Most of the arguments for legal weed hold up for the other drugs, sure some them can kill you(so can sky diving), but most of the deaths come about because of prohibition, not in spite of it.
There would not be a large increase in the number of addicts--sure some ex addicts might go back if the major downsides were removed, but there would not be many extra new addicts--to prove this, ask yourself, "Is the law the only thing stopping me from shooting smack into my groin? Would I smoke crack tomorrow if it became legal?" All the people who want to take heavy drugs are already taking them, the law does nothing but make something potentially harmful into something definatley even more harmful.
Until 1971 in the UK, heroin was prescribed by doctors to addicts, and Heroin addicts numbered a few hundred then the Misuse of drugs act came in and criminalised smack and there was a massive explosion in numbers of addicts, now we have hundreds of thousands.
They call Illegal drugs "Controlled substances"----this is a joke
Legalize-Control.
people who chose to take hard drugs crack etc legal or not, will generally die younger not to mention not make great human beings to be around. ive worked in social care and kids lives are destroyed by druggy parents. and that would have happened legal or not.
 

mowood3479

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alot of things will make you die younger.. should we criminalize all those things? N yes hard drugs do generally turn you into a shitty person but in my opinion its a persons right to be a shitty person... im not into mandating morality...
drugs are here to stay... why fight a war we cannot win?
 

mr.brunch

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alot of things will make you die younger.. should we criminalize all those things? N yes hard drugs do generally turn you into a shitty person but in my opinion its a persons right to be a shitty person... im not into mandating morality...
drugs are here to stay... why fight a war we cannot win?

nice post.
also , a war on drugs is a war on ourselves.
they are called 'CIVIL SERVANTS' for a reason, gov was not brought into being so it could control our lives.
 
Portugal has gone full decriminalization on all drugs and deaths and HIV infections are less than a third on what they use to be along with use they offer counseling that can be refused without penalty. They put money into helping people instead of spending much more on prisons it seems like a well documented long running policy that is a great example for the world to follow. It's undisputed that this model reduces use and social problems.

This is a full government report at the bottom you can download it http://www.cato.org/publications/wh...essons-creating-fair-successful-drug-policies

news stories http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
 

Harry Gypsna

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people who chose to take hard drugs crack etc legal or not, will generally die younger not to mention not make great human beings to be around. ive worked in social care and kids lives are destroyed by druggy parents. and that would have happened legal or not.
Bad parents should have their kids taken away-simples.
I know someone who has been a junkie all the years I've known him. He runs a successful business, owns a 5 bedroom detached house in a well to do area, and a string of rental properties and has his kids at one of the best private schools in the North of England, one of whom is on track for Oxford, all paid for with legit business and hard work whilst still a Heroin addict.
Some people just are not meant to have kids.
Also, the worst aspects of "Junkiedom" are caused by the chaos prohibition brings.
You work with kids damaged by "druggie" parents,(btw-boozers and straight-heads think you are a druggie and would like to prevent you having/take way your kids! Cannabis users kids get taken all the time-my mate just had to show clean hair samples for several months to get custody of his kids from an abusive, non drug using Mother) but we live in a world where prohibition has held sway for the last century and has created many of the problems in the 1st place.
Most people drink alcohol which is highly addictive and can lead to being a homeless wino sitting on the street smelling of piss, yet most alcohol users raise their kids perfectly well. Alcohol is legal and cheap. Sure some people PREDISPOSED TO SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOUR fuck themselves and their kids up, but so do some totally anti-drug people (degenerate gamblers, people addicted to shopping, etc). Your anecdotal experience is not evidence of drug use by parents being inherently harmful to children in all cases.
A lot of the damage done to these children is through deprivation as the money goes to the drugs-Heroin for example costs thousands of times more on the street, than it does when hospitals use it (Diamorphine Hydrochoride-Heroin was just the brand name). And the contact with the criminal justice system brought about by aquisitive crime, in turn itself brought about by the artificial price hike does its damage also.
Of course I wouldn't say that some junkies are not incapable of raising children, that would be asinine, but currently the law makes even this situation worse than it needs to be.
I have known many heroin users( I used to be one) who had kids, and some sucked at parenting whilst others were better parents than many of the anti drug people I know. Not every junkie is a granny robber or prolific shoplifter, and being an addict does not mean you will immediately shoot smack in front of your kids and sell their Xbox.

There are plenty of heavy drug users who stay productive people, holds jobs, raise kids and live perfectly normal lives--but we never hear about these people precisely because they lead productive lives, keep their usage under control and don't get into trouble.
The reason you don't work with the kids of druggie parents who are not damaged by their parents drug use is because the kids don't need your services as their parents raised them perfectly well.

The matter of people dying younger, my answer to that is, and???? Their choice.

Drugs make SOME people not great to be around for you--so don't be around them.
The fact is, peanut butter will kill someone with an allergy, and yet I can go to the shop and buy a jar of Sun-Pat with enough allergen to kill every nut allergy sufferer in England right now.
Some parents beat their children with slippers and belts, but we don't remove indoor footwear and trouser-holder-uppers from all parents based on the negative actions of some.
 

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