SOG 600 or 1000 watt flower

[The_Core]

If you root some clones and put them immediately under 12/12, Is there any real difference on the finished product if i flower with 600 watt or 1000 watt? I know light penetration to the plants lower canopy is why 1000 watts are important but since the plants stay so short with a SOG, does the extra electricity justify itself with the SOG?

 

[The_Core]

Any ideas anyone? I just don't think the extra 400 watts would make a big difference on a SOG setup, But i could be wrong.......

 

[Penguin59]

Hi mate,

If you position your lights to give the plants maximum lumen penetration with either bulb then it should make a fairly noticeable difference between 600w and 1000w.

Depends on how many plants you have going in the SOG and the space that the bulb has to illuminate. Sometimes the 600w will be a lot more effective as you can lower it a lot closer to the canopy than a 1000w.

Penguin

 

[The_Core]

Hi mate,

If you position your lights to give the plants maximum lumen penetration with either bulb then it should make a fairly noticeable difference between 600w and 1000w.

Depends on how many plants you have going in the SOG and the space that the bulb has to illuminate. Sometimes the 600w will be a lot more effective as you can lower it a lot closer to the canopy than a 1000w.

Penguin

Thanks Penguin! So the 1000 watt is more powerful and is capable of producing greater results than the 600, but the 600 watt can be moved closer and therefore may produce results in par with the 1000 watt? So the best route is to run a grow where the conditions are exactly the same except run the 600 watt and 1000 watt and compare results then?

 

[blackone]

If you have enough clones for an optimal 1000W no veg grow then it will definitely yield more than a 600W. If not then you will not be able to realize the full potential of the 1000W but might still yield more than with the 600W, unless the 600W is enough to give optimal light to the clones.

 

[Penguin59]

Exactly brother, a 600w used more efficiently can achieve as good results for you at a cheaper electricity rate too.

What's the size of your grow room?

If you have the luxury of doing a comparative grow then go for it for sure!

Penguin

 

[The_Core]

I have a Secret Jardin DR II 150, 5X5 area. I am all about headstash, I don't sell. So I guess there really is no point for me to doing a SOG unless i was trying to go commercial with my grows. Each harvest with a 1000 watt is more than I would ever smoke before the next harvest hits. That being said i understand SOG is mainly used to improve harvest time and yields for the grow space, since I am not as worried about the turnover of plants in the shortest amount of time I really don't have to worry about SOG. What do you think?

 

[Penguin59]

You're right and generally speaking, when people go with a SOG setup they don't have a concern about # of plants. They don't worry about side branching either and just make the heads "lollipop" to turn over yield quickly and to control height. One single cola makes harvest a hell of a lot easier too.

If you have the time, I would recommend going scrog with a smaller number of plants with a 600w. Less plants means they're easier to take care of and pose less legal risk. LST is your best friend here for maximising yield.

Penguin

 

[The_Core]

Ok I will look more into LST before SOG. Thanks Penguin!

 

[supermanlives]

i preferr 600s for sog myself. heres 2

 

[The_Core]

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=40256&pictureid=953103&thumb=1]View Image[/url] i preferr 600s for sog myself. heres 2

Nice set up Superman! Tell me more about how you run your SOG's, or If you want you could hit me with a link and I can read up on one of your SOG grows. Thanks!

 

[Keep goin]

Yeah, Core...

If you're not looking to go commercial...there is really no reason to go 1000w over 600w. You will not be able to consume that much either!!

SOG, SCROG, etc. all becomes a question of how much cloning you want to be dealing with. Superman's set up does look SWEET...but you'll be cloning a lot to fill that area!!

Personally, I enjoy 4 to 9 plants under my 600w. Actually 9 is my fav...bloom em at around 6-9". Drop a garden trellis wrapped around a pvc frame on them around week 2 or 3 of bloom for support. I think quite a bit easier logistically than some of the ideas you have.

Not looking to sell, and therefore maximize output, lets you go a mellower route.

Just run perpetual. Set up a small clone and veg spot...with a simple 4' florescent "shop light". Clone off the group you are putting into bloom...clones root, veg em out, by the time you are harvesting you will have some hearty ladies to drop right in to replace them. No down time.

Plenty for your head...less plants. I don't know, seems easier to me!?

Good Luck

 

[The_Core]

Hey Keep Goin, I like your response, Sounds like a pretty good idea. I have a 2 foot 8 bulb
for clone and veg, I am sure that will work great to grow out some decent clones, and then pop them right into flower under the 600 watt. Can you please explain what the garden trellis on PVC pipe does?

 

[ItsTopShelf]

its kinda like stakes .. it allows u to train the plants and to use the entire area of light. its worth it.. but it sucks wen u need to move plants.. or if something hermis.. u cannot go and find it as easily.

 

[The_Core]

Thanks TopShelf! I could imagine once the plants grow through that netting, its nearly impossible to move them without damaging the plant. Still worth it though! Does it make watering the plant more complicated as well?

 

[Hash Patty]

The_Core : I have done SOG and SCROG with 600s. I personally like the sog better because I need no veg time and it is way easier to trim. I did scrog last year with 2 600s over a 4x8 table with chicken wire stretched over top. I used 8 3 gal hempy buckets but it was a major PITA to water... Getting under and around the screen and getting rid of excess water because they were set in catch trays. It could have been easier if I had made individual screens for each plant. I also didn't get consistent plants and have since used sog and organic soil and have been much happier !

 

[The_Core]

Hash Patty thanks for that info. I was thinking watering plants in a screen would be hard, especially if your watering by hand and its one of the plants in the middle of the group. I would think irrigation lines would make it easier. I think I will just grow them out normally and do SOG. SCROG would be best for only a couple containers to help with watering I would think

 

[Keep goin]

Can you please explain what the garden trellis on PVC pipe does?

Sure, the trellis acts as a support system for the plants. Once they grow through it, it is not possible to move them though. And I'm not having to get in and water and move plants around.

I grow hydro, one res under a 3x3 table. So my "access" point is just the edge of the res...I don't move anything once it's flowering. All clones, no hermi's or anything like that...so that might not work for ya. I grow 6 or 9 plants in that space and just drop net pots through foam board with holes cut in...they grow roots down into the table and stay in one spot the rest of the time.

That's why the trellis works for me. Locks em in place but lot's of opportunity for support. I can tie them down to the trellis, they grow through it, etc.

Got sick of moving plants around and watering...

Good Luck.