using Magnets on your plants

[supermanlives]

wont let me edit. way back when the net got started i was called dumb and what i was doing wouldnt work. heres a few. no holes in pot, no ph of water and ferts, no dry cycle, no bubbling ej and the list goes on . while i doubt your magnets are gonna do anything i applaud your effort and willingness to experiment. rock on bro

 

[Stonefree69]

wont let me edit. way back when the net got started i was called dumb and what i was doing wouldnt work. heres a few. no holes in pot, no ph of water and ferts, no dry cycle, no bubbling ej and the list goes on . while i doubt your magnets are gonna do anything i applaud your effort and willingness to experiment. rock on bro

Back in the the day I grew in my walk-in closet with no fans venting (just recirc) and using real hard 750 ppm tap water in hydro, just opening door now and then to check on and vent. My nutes might have been Miracle Gro but can't quite remember that. There was an attic access trap door in there I guess I kept open. It was roadkill skunk back in 1984 and my 4 plants grew like trees. Was under 1,000 watts, I don't think I even used a reflector. Was a sauna in there, looked like a UFO from under the door that lit up my bedroom. I had CO2 and no meters whatsoever, just flood and drain 2-4x/day in hydroton. I just didn't touch them till harvest.

All the things you aren't supposed to do and they did just fine. The plants grew like crazy w/o talking to them or rocking them in a baby carriage. I just made sure they weren't complaining and let them be.

 

[DrFever]

wont let me edit. way back when the net got started i was called dumb and what i was doing wouldnt work. heres a few. no holes in pot, no ph of water and ferts, no dry cycle, no bubbling ej and the list goes on . while i doubt your magnets are gonna do anything i applaud your effort and willingness to experiment. rock on bro

But what i find ironic is that i do see a difference in height and growth i will post pics of them this week end your going to be shocked also i am finding the the plant with magnets going west and east the plant is really taking off today is feed day for them so we will know

 

[dank.frank]

Paramagnetism is different than ferromagnetism...

Just saying...

If you want to say otherwise...cool....but, in soil, you want para....

Again....just saying...



dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

...and they did just fine.

I guess there lies the difference....I've never been okay with or settled for "fine"

Give me the BEST, please.



dank.Frank

 

[Stonefree69]

I guess there lies the difference....I've never been okay with or settled for "fine"

Give me the BEST, please.



dank.Frank

Yeeeup, these days I want the best too. Lighting, water, nutes, climate and strains (guess add timing in there too). Back in the day, that's why I grew chronic and skunk, considered myself lucky to get them.

Not sure what paramagnetism is, but those neodymium magnets are supposed to be the world's most powerful that I linked on last page. And he showed impressive results right on video. He doesn't sell them himself and seems a straight up guy just into health. I did a google search: using magnets to grow plants WOW, there are lots of good results out there w/different crops.

 

[Avinash.miles]

not sure if i got an answer or not fever, u got some plants w no magnets as constants in the experiment?

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Paramagnetism is different than ferromagnetism...

Just saying...

If you want to say otherwise...cool....but, in soil, you want para....

Again....just saying...



dank.Frank

Frank I have to say that Para is an expression of the behaviour of certain materials with free electrons and are actually only magnetic while under the influence of magnetic flux from a different source. He already has and indeed will require ferro magnets for his experiment

 

[dank.frank]

Acres magazine quoted circa 2000:

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/Paragmagnetism-Effects-on-Plant-Growth_vq127.htm

Those free electrons are used to hold organic matter in the medium, prevent leaching, and thus reduce "fertlizer" quantities necessary to achieve the same results...

All pertains too a mediums CEC - cation exchange capacity...





dank.Frank

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Acres magazine quoted circa 2000:

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/Paragmagnetism-Effects-on-Plant-Growth_vq127.htm




dank.Frank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramagnetism

Circa Now, however the quickest it is the closest to a scholarly article.

 

[dank.frank]

lol.....not going to argue a point you obviously fail to understand....lol

What I posted is accurate, factual information...not speculation.

More on CEC so you understand why those free electrons in paramagnetic soils can be valuable....

http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm

And wiki CANNOT be used as a cited source for scholarly research....so while it's great for internet forums - it is easily bested by say, actual scientific research documented by individuals in a lab with advanced degrees....vs say the blogger who cut and pasted information from a 101 text book for the wiki.

...read the links and attempt to learn something....



dank.Frank

 

[DrFever]

ok hell i figured i better post some pictures and show you the difference only few days make and how i think EAST and WEST is the answer still early first2 pictures are EAst and west there blowing others out of the water other one is north and south

 

[John.Hammond]

...read the links and attempt to learn something....

What a snide remark, get over yourself.

With that being said I applaud anyone testing their own theories. And CEC is very real and effects how quickly/efficiently nutrients can be absorbed. A lower CEC value will allow for quicker cation exchange which allows for more rapid and higher yields. The CEC of solid mediums like soil are higher which means they can "hold onto more nutrients". Low CEC mediums leave nutrients more readily available to the plant and allow for more rapid correction of problems and quicker flushes.

I am currently getting my Masters degree in soil sciences and hydrology and have the benefit of a scholarly article data base, searching over 500 known publications in the geoscience and agricultural fields. I am very intrigued by this idea and tried to find any research published to support this theory of bio-magnetism. I mean who wouldn't want to be able to put magnets in their pots and get better yields? However, I cant find anything proving or disproving the theory that magnets help CEC or nutrient absorption or realy anything dealing with the nutrients themselves.

However, there are many studies done with various plants that show their cells respond to magnetism. It appears the cells of the plant can run more efficiently under in the presence of a magnetic fields. There are many studies in which large magnets were placed in the bottom of pots or the South poles were applied to seeds, and the plants grow taller and the seeds sprout faster. In 1977 U.S.Pat.No. 4,020,590 was issued to Albert R. Davis for an apparatus and method of treating seeds with a magnetizer. Also, some theorize plants in the wild grow better due to the influence of earth geomagnetism.

My final thoughts are if it were this simple Hydrofarm or someone would sell magnet pots. Everyone would be using them even people growing flowers and veggies especially if it could be implemented so cheaply. I do not think magnets will directly effect the CEC of the soil, but it is reasonably well accepted that magnets do help plant growth. Could be because fertilizers and other contaminants will be more soluble in magnetized water, or could be due to a cellular response to the magnetic field.

My question is do you use one of those magnet bracelets that are supposed to improve your health? I sure don't, and I don't think my plants need one either. This may be one of those cases of seeing what you want to see, but who knows. I'm interested to say the least.

 

[DrFever]

and here are the others N S W E and scattered as you can clearly see The WEST and East magnet plant is kicking ass

 

[John.Hammond]

Some second thoughts:

Earths magnetic field lets plants know where to shoot their roots! the geomagnetic pull of earth ensures roots grow down and the plant shoots up regardless of the seeds orientation. this research was done by NASA.

I FOUND AN ARTICLE THATS SCHOLARLY!
An experiment conducted by the Israel Institute of Technology showed that magnets, when applied to plants, reduce the surface tension of water and create an optimal environment for root absorption. This "lighter" water is more soluble and magnets not only allow a plant to get more water but also free up clogs in the pores in the roots. This stimulates not only water absorption but also mineral absorption, which helps the plant grow taller and stronger.


THE MAGNETIZER
They claim the process of magnetizing the seed and the environment in which it grows makes the seed more receptive to water and breaks down the soil, making nutrients more readily consumed by a sprouting plant. According to "MundiMex Inc." this leads to bigger, healthier and faster growing plants, whether you are planting corn, tomatoes or flowers.

That's from their site, but who doesn't say their product makes your plants bigger and healthier.

Final Thoughts again:

There is a sever lack of repeatable scientific evidence. Many aspects of magnetism are inadequately described by science. It may be that the most relevant effect magnets will have on plant growth is psychosomatic and indirect. Meaning a person moving magnets over the plant will pay more attention to the plant, making him more aware of the plant's needs as it develops.

Botom line IDK. Take it or leave it, it wont hurt anything, but no one really understands the entire influence magnets have on plants. Many think it helps, and many don't. Keep us posted.

 

[dank.frank]

Get over myself??? WTF ever....lol.

Not like I wrote the information in the links....funny how you felt a need to explain what the link posted already explained, except in much greater depth.

I didn't come thumping my wall plaques to add credibility...lmao.

Nope....just provided links for relevant factual information and suggestef the be read for a better understanding of why MAGNETIC FIELDS have an effect...

Rather than relying on mystic perhaps maybe psuedo blah blah..... Again, where are the control plants to compare to....

I never ONCE discouraged the fun being had - only presented facts. What a pompous dick am I.... lol.

Whatever....anyway - scientifically documented data exists for paramagnetism - it could lend useful insight to be aware if it.

I'm done here. Doltsville is not my kind of town...



dank.Frank

 

[Stonefree69]

ok hell i figured i better post some pictures and show you the difference only few days make and how i think EAST and WEST is the answer still early first2 pictures are EAst and west there blowing others out of the water other one is north and south

Looks good so far, but you need a control group (without magnets) and I'd say at least a half to a dozen or so in each group.

Mythbusters already has shown noise also enhances plant growth. They used a bunch of greenhouses and the control group lagged behind all others. Didn't matter if you talked nice or mean. I think they really liked rock music. It's in another thread somewhere here.

Ah found it: MythBusters - Talking to plants - part1 and Jamie: I think I'm going to get checked out by the police for growing pot

 

[eurasian_farmer]

If magnets can increase growth in RDWC the results would be incredible!!

 

[Avinash.miles]

Get over myself??? WTF ever....lol.

Not like I wrote the information in the links....funny how you felt a need to explain what the link posted already explained, except in much greater depth.

I didn't come thumping my wall plaques to add credibility...lmao.

Nope....just provided links for relevant factual information and suggestef the be read for a better understanding of why MAGNETIC FIELDS have an effect...

Rather than relying on mystic perhaps maybe psuedo blah blah..... Again, where are the control plants to compare to....

I never ONCE discouraged the fun being had - only presented facts. What a pompous dick am I.... lol.

Whatever....anyway - scientifically documented data exists for paramagnetism - it could lend useful insight to be aware if it.

I'm done here. Doltsville is not my kind of town...



dank.Frank

have to say franks right (kinda a trend....)
im particularly interested, no constants... plants w no magnets?
always fun to experiment so we will see when the run is over what buds look like.

just curious:
how would one set up an experiment for paramagnetism vs setting up and experiment for ferromagnetism on plants?

 

[dank.frank]

Paramagnetic rock dust is sold as a soil amendment.....

Most "rock dust" contains some degree of paramagnetism. ...the link posted to the Acres magazine articles discuss several experiments and thier correlating results. I googled the Dr. names in the article to read the various studies in more depth...

Most were done the same way this is being done here....planted in the soil...

I'm not sold on it - results from recorded data showed benefits - but these experiments were done to give rational to naturally occuring phenomenon in soils with high paramagnetic fields ....not necrssarily to say magnets make plants grow better.

Without a control - and daily recorded data in various areas - growth, water uptake, root density / health, etc.... this thread is just anecdotal observations....

Makes it no less interesting, but much less convincing.



dank.Frank