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CBD: Expensive, Very Expensive- or Free?

headband 707

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CBD: Expensive, Very Expensive – or Free?
By David Malmo-Levine, Cannabis Culture - Friday, September 14 2012
Follow: cannabidiol CBD David Malmo-Levine GROWING Medical Marijuana Tikkun Olam

http://youtu.be/QoM8cQX1cj4
CANNABIS CULTURE - A company in Israel announced recently that it is the first to develop a strain of cannabis low in THC and high in cannabidiol (CBD) using the natural breeding process with no unnatural genetic modifications.

While this claim is misleading regarding the novelty of such a strain, I believe it was truthful regarding the process by which such a strain was created. But is the origin of high-CBD strains genetic, or is it a factor of the environment? Probably both.

The Announcement

From Public Radio International:

[A]n Israeli company claims it is the first to develop a strain of the cannabis plant that contains almost no THC at all. ... The new cannabis strain took about 3 years to develop through cross-breeding, according to Zach Klein of Tikkun Olam. There was no genetic engineering involved, he said. The new strain is all natural. "Avidekel" is the nickname for the CBD strain, Klein said."


I don't believe this company is the "first to develop a strain of the cannabis plant that contains almost no THC at all." This 2005 article from Cannabis Culture mentions GW Pharmaceutical growing "virtually mono-cannabinoidic plants that produce high percentages of these target cannabinoids: THC, CBD, THC-V, CBC, CBD-V, CBG or CBN."

This lab report indicates that "cannatonic #6" was high in CBD with hardly any THC, perhaps also indicating that the "cannatonic" strain is either unstable, genetically producing different cannabinoid results with each plant, or getting different results under different growing conditions.

17% of Harborside Healthcenter's tested cannabis rated at or above 1% CBD, with three strains in the 14 to 16% range of CBD.

Not to mention that nearly every single industrial hemp variety ever created contains almost no THC at all. For example, this paper written in 1996 lists many industrial hemp varieties with next to no THC and 4% to 5% CBD.

Though Tikkun Olam's claims of originality are false, I believe the company was correct in describing the breeding process as the method of designing high-CBD strains, but there is some debate as to whether the plant's characteristics are due to genetics or the environment. I think it is probably both.

Famous breeder David Watson (AKA "Sam Skunkman") said he doesn't "believe that soil or light or anything else will increase the CBD level. CBD is controlled by the genetics of the plant, period." Perhaps what he means to say is that the maximum levels of CBD are controlled by genetics, but according to Hillig and Mahlberg, the levels can dip when all kinds of factors are increased or decreased.

It's possible these factors are also at play during the selection process, and have subtle or not-so-subtle effects on the breeding process itself. I'm not a geneticist, but what I do know is that there's ample evidence of low-THC, high-CBD strains all over the place, some that have existed before the invention of genetic modification. That means, obviously, genetically modification is not required to produce these strains. It is as easy as grabbing some industrial hemp seeds, growing them out and selecting for high CBD.

Dr. Frankel

Dr. Allan Frankel, a Santa Monica MD who works with Green Bridge Medical, wrote a series of blogs blasting activists concerned about GM cannabis, as a response to a discussion (including myself, Dr. Frankel, and lawyer Letitia Pepper) on an email list:

http://www.greenbridgemed.com/2012/07/07/highless-marijuana-or-rich-cbd/
http://www.greenbridgemed.com/2012/07/08/there-is-no-gmo-cannabis/
http://www.greenbridgemed.com/2012/07/08/highless-and-gmo-marijuana-nope...
http://www.greenbridgemed.com/2012/07/08/please-get-our-facts-straight-t...

In his posts, Dr. Frankel argues that there "is no GMO cannabis", and seems to confuse my opinion with Letitia Pepper's. As stated above, I believe you can get low-THC, high-CBD from normal, non-GMO breeding methods, or from most industrial hemp. I do not think these strains are a threat or a conspiracy, or ineffective medicinally, and I don't have a problem with what's going on in Israel.

Though I don't believe that GMO cannabis currently exists (as Letitia does), I believe there may be such a creation in the works, and that a ban on genetically modified cannabis would be a good thing.

Right now, there are projects ongoing to genetically modify all useful drug plants, and evidence that cannabis is a likely candidate – for proprietary reasons.

The first mention of the possibility of cannabis being genetically modified I could find was cited in a document leaked to Cannabis Culture back in 2000, which read, in part:

Cannabis seeds from Monsanto are almost definitely genetically engineered. Genetically engineered plants can be patented, and it is in Monsanto's best interest to hold a patent on any seed they sell. Seed patents ensure that companies like Monsanto can continue to profit from seeds from year to year, as farmers are legally bound to buy patented seeds from the patent holder rather than simply store them from the last year's crop.

In 2009, the University of Minnesota issued a news release suggesting that researchers were close to "engineering" a "recognizable, drug-free Cannabis plant":

In a first step toward engineering a drug-free Cannabis plant for hemp fiber and oil, University of Minnesota researchers have identified genes producing tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive substance in marijuana. Studying the genes could also lead to new and better drugs for pain, nausea and other conditions.

And in 2010, one of the USA's leading farming organizations "passed a bizarre new policy statement in support of industrial hemp farming, but only if it is genetically modified (GMO) and retains cannabis prohibition with very heavy law enforcement." The National Grange of the Order of Patron of Husbandry, known simply as "The Grange", stated:

The National Grange supports research, production, processing and marketing of industrial hemp as a viable agricultural activity. We do not in any way support or condone the growth or use of marijuana as a hallucinogen.

"We support strict enforcement of all laws that currently ban the production and sale of marijuana or that classify all species of cannabis as a Class 1 controlled substance in the US. We oppose amending these laws as the primary means of promoting industrial hemp production.
Instead we urge further research and application of existing biotechnology techniques to develop genetically modified industrial hemp that will be biologically incompatible with all other forms of cannabis or marijuana.

We further urge that genetically modified industrial hemp contain distinct chemical markers that will quickly and easily identify industrial hemp varieties using low cost and accurate on-site testing methods for the purpose of contract compliance, law enforcement and as evidence in court."

While none of this is proof that GM cannabis exists, the fact that other drug plants are routinely subjected to GM, that cannabis is a major – if not the major – cash crop on planet earth, and that GM cannabis is being discussed repeatedly, is evidence that GM cannabis is likely in the future.

What Does CBD Do?

What exactly does CBD do? According to this paper from the International Hemp Association:

CBD shows no psychotropic effects, but some clinically relevant effects have been found. Among them are anticonvulsant effects in epileptics (Cunha 1980) and antidystonic effects in movement disorder patients (Consroe 1986). Some properties resemble those of THC, e.g., some effects on the immune system (Watzl 1991), other properties differ from THC, e.g., the electrophysiological properties (Turkanis 1981), others show distinct contrary effects, e.g. some effects on the heart (Nahas 1985). Of interest in this context is the action of CBD on the psyche. There are sleep-inducing (Carlini 1981), anxiolytic and anti-psychotic effects, as well as an antagonism of the psychotropic effects of THC. High doses of THC can induce anxiety, panic reactions and functional psychotic states. Zuardi et al. (1997) found a significant reduction of anxiety in a model of speech simulation, with 300 mg CBD comparable to 10 mg of the sedative diazepam. The same working group treated a young schizophrenic man who was admitted to a hospital because of aggressive behavior, self-injury, incoherent thoughts and hallucinations, for four weeks with doses up to 1,500 mg CBD. All symptoms improved impressively with CBD, so that the improvement could not solely be attributed to an anxiolytic effect. ... In a study of Zuardi et al. (1982), eight volunteers received high oral doses of THC (0.5 mg THC per kg body weight, about 35 mg), or this dose plus twice the dose of CBD in a double-blind design. The study demonstrated that CBD blocked the anxiety produced by THC. This inhibition was extended to the marijuana-like effects and other alterations caused by THC.

There is also data showing CBD's effectiveness in helping those suffering from schizophrenia, though it may not be good for glaucoma patients.

Apparently CBD can be given in massive doses with no side effects and becomes very effective as an anti-psychotic when given in these doses.

Last, but certainly not least, CBD appears to shrink tumors.

It is of great value to have low-THC, high-CBD medicine, since many people don't want to get high (or don't want to get too high) but want to consume cannabinoids, so my hat is off to the Israelis of Tikkun Olam. Good job! Well done!

CBD in Industrial Hemp

According Tikkun Olam's website, they do not charge for those who cannot afford their cannabis. Unfortunately, those in Canada and the United States who wish to buy high-CBD cannabis products are faced with high prices for the dried herb or the seeds. One eighth of "Cannatonic" can run as high as $60 and the seeds can cost around $94 per 10 seeds ($157 for feminized seeds), if they're available at all.

Lucky for us Canadians, there is another option. Industrial hemp is growing all over Canada:

In 2003, over 2700 hectares (6700 acres) were grown across Canada , mostly concentrated on the Prairies. In 2010 it was estimated that 25,000 were grown. Hemp has been grown with success from coast–to–coast.

(See more here.)

And this hemp is all rich in CBD, according to every source I can find. Industrial hemp THC to CBD ratios are usually 1/20.

More here:

In industrial hemp, CBD is the predominant cannabinoid and often occurs in a CBD/THC ratio of more than 8:1.

And here:

Dr. Mahlberg went on to point out that an extraction from industrial hemp using a deceptive procedure found on the Internet will result in a sludge containing many noxious elements and very little THC. Of course the preponderant cannabinoid in this sludge will be CBD.

Canadian aren't forced to order any special "cannatonic" high-CBD seeds to get lots of CBD medicine, they just have to wander into any industrial hemp field in the fall before harvest with some ice and some buckets and some water and walk out with a ball of high CBD hash the size of your head. Illegal? Yes. But free. There are even fallow hemp fields from the year before that the farmer probably wouldn't mind (or wouldn't notice) you doing this with. It matters not that industrial hemp is only 6% CBD and these Israeli strains (or the California high-CBD strains) are 15% or 20% CBD. You can only grow a few of those "medicinal" plants but you can get access to acres of industrial hemp, so you end up getting much more CBD with industrial hemp over-all. Like I said before, industrial hemp CBD is a waste product which is being thrown-out by the tonne every year when it could be harvested for tumor-shrinking (in this post Fukushima world). That's the real story nobody is talking about, but everyone should be talking about.

If people wish to experiment with crossing their high THC varieties with viable high-CBD industrial hemp seeds, there are some available here for a very reasonable cost: $5 for what appears to be over 20 seeds.

This research paper says you can cross high-THC strains with high-CBD strains to get a mixture of both together.

Whatever you do, remember that even low-THC industrial hemp is illegal to grow in the US under almost all circumstances, and illegal to grow in Canada unless you have ten acres, no criminal record, and you fill out a whack of forms. If they catch you, the authorities will still treat you as if you were growing that nasty THC stuff.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2012/09/14/CBD-Expensive-Very-Expensive-or-Free
 

Olifant

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There's already a company Dixie which is selling OTC CBD supplements worldwide from non-GMO cannabis. They're quite expensive though if used in therapeutic doses. When I looked it was aroun $250 per gram of CBD not counting the alcohol and cinnamon oil they dissolve it in. I do see a potential problem with cheap OTC CBD however since it can be easily used as a precursor for THC.
 

Bi0hazard

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I thought CBGA was the precursor to THCA which then broke down into THC?

"“CBGA” = cannabigerol acid– CBGA is the primary cannabinoid from which all others derive. The plant first makes CBGA and then converts it, sometimes in several sequential steps, into the others. There are three major branches: (1) THCA and derivatives, (2) CBDA and derivatives, and (3) CBCA and derivatives. At certain stages of development, significant amounts of CBGA are observed in plant samples, but typically there is less than 2% at harvest. Like many of the acid forms of cannabinoids, it has been reported to have anti-inflammatory properties. A patent filed in 2006 also claimed analgesic properties and many others have also been reported."

“THCA” =9-THCA = ∆9-THCA A: ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol acid – This is the precursor to THC and is typically the most abundant cannabinoid produced in most plants grown at present. (Dried cannabis typically contains 15-25% THCA.) A large fraction (but not all ) of the THCA converts to THC upon strong heating (> 200°F). The amount converted depends on the details of the temperature and timing. THCA has been shown to have anti-spasmodic and anti-proliferative (anti-cancer) properties, as well as evidence of anti-inflammatory activity. (In fact, there are other acid forms of THC, but they are almost always present in only very small quantities. THCA A and THCA B differ only in the placement of the carboxylic acid group. THCA A is almost always the version referred to when no designation is made.) Reported effects: antiproliferative (anticancer), antispasmodic1

“THC"= “D9-THC” = ∆9-THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol – Thought to be the most psychoactive of the cannabinoids and largely attributed with many beneficial medical properties, such as pain relief, appetite stimulation, anti-spasmodic properties, anti-emetic properties and many more. Plants don’t produce this compound directly. (Dried plant material contains only a few percent THC.) It is produced from THCA (see previous entry) by heating or exposure to UV light. Not all THCA ends up as THC. Heating has been shown to convert at most about 70% of the THCA into THC. The “∆9” in the name indicates the specific location of a carbon-carbon double-bond in one of the rings. Analgesic, antioxidant, bronchodilatory, reduce symptoms of Alzheimers, beneficial for duodenal ulcers, muscle relaxant, antipruritic
 

yesum

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I might try the CBDCrew stuff next run. I use pot to try to cope with life mostly anyhow. If I could do it without being messed up, that might be better. I do like the feeling thc provides though.
 

headband 707

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Yeah this study is a bit funny when you think of hemp and they could have just hit that,, I wonder how much this cost the citizens of Isreal to find that one out.. If you have the machine that shows you the numbers there are many different types of buds that hit high CBD's always has been.. They grow hemp here in BC and many ppl can't help but run into a hemp field and pick the leaves thinking they will get high lol.. More like a headache... but high in CBD's and when the pollen starts to float it floats on other ppl's cannabis which ppl complain about a lot..
GMO who invited them to the party? wow that shit is scary to think about them in the genepool
"schizophrenia" I really wish they would just stop bring this one up it just pisses me off.. They are FULL OF SHIT!!!
This brings up an interesting question that should not be ignored. Is this why the drug companies have moved in and want everyone else out and our Gov will fall inline? I am happy they have this study great I already knew this info and they took THC out of cannabis and I can see how this could be helpful to some. So If I want THC in my cannabis what exactly does this mean to my Gov.? and how do they think they are going to control ME? and why do they think they need to?
My next and I think very important question is if the US funds/protects Isreal then is that not funding this cannabis research? So why is it that the US can fund and protect who and what they want when it suites them but if any other country tries then the US holds embargoes against them?This whole thing really stinks imvho headband 707
 

headband 707

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I thought CBGA was the precursor to THCA which then broke down into THC?

"“CBGA” = cannabigerol acid– CBGA is the primary cannabinoid from which all others derive. The plant first makes CBGA and then converts it, sometimes in several sequential steps, into the others. There are three major branches: (1) THCA and derivatives, (2) CBDA and derivatives, and (3) CBCA and derivatives. At certain stages of development, significant amounts of CBGA are observed in plant samples, but typically there is less than 2% at harvest. Like many of the acid forms of cannabinoids, it has been reported to have anti-inflammatory properties. A patent filed in 2006 also claimed analgesic properties and many others have also been reported."

“THCA” =9-THCA = ∆9-THCA A: ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol acid – This is the precursor to THC and is typically the most abundant cannabinoid produced in most plants grown at present. (Dried cannabis typically contains 15-25% THCA.) A large fraction (but not all ) of the THCA converts to THC upon strong heating (> 200°F). The amount converted depends on the details of the temperature and timing. THCA has been shown to have anti-spasmodic and anti-proliferative (anti-cancer) properties, as well as evidence of anti-inflammatory activity. (In fact, there are other acid forms of THC, but they are almost always present in only very small quantities. THCA A and THCA B differ only in the placement of the carboxylic acid group. THCA A is almost always the version referred to when no designation is made.) Reported effects: antiproliferative (anticancer), antispasmodic1

“THC"= “D9-THC” = ∆9-THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol – Thought to be the most psychoactive of the cannabinoids and largely attributed with many beneficial medical properties, such as pain relief, appetite stimulation, anti-spasmodic properties, anti-emetic properties and many more. Plants don’t produce this compound directly. (Dried plant material contains only a few percent THC.) It is produced from THCA (see previous entry) by heating or exposure to UV light. Not all THCA ends up as THC. Heating has been shown to convert at most about 70% of the THCA into THC. The “∆9” in the name indicates the specific location of a carbon-carbon double-bond in one of the rings. Analgesic, antioxidant, bronchodilatory, reduce symptoms of Alzheimers, beneficial for duodenal ulcers, muscle relaxant, antipruritic

LOL you always ask the toughest questions lol.. I'm still pondering this one. This question would be better put to Chimera/Sam this is a field they have been studying I think..Not knowing enough about this particular subject everything I say would be pure speculation. headband 707:)
 
I thought CBGA was the precursor to THCA which then broke down into THC?

"“CBGA” = cannabigerol acid– CBGA is the primary cannabinoid from which all others derive. The plant first makes CBGA and then converts it, sometimes in several sequential steps, into the others. There are three major branches: (1) THCA and derivatives, (2) CBDA and derivatives, and (3) CBCA and derivatives. At certain stages of development, significant amounts of CBGA are observed in plant samples, but typically there is less than 2% at harvest. Like many of the acid forms of cannabinoids, it has been reported to have anti-inflammatory properties. A patent filed in 2006 also claimed analgesic properties and many others have also been reported."

“THCA” =9-THCA = ∆9-THCA A: ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol acid – This is the precursor to THC and is typically the most abundant cannabinoid produced in most plants grown at present. (Dried cannabis typically contains 15-25% THCA.) A large fraction (but not all ) of the THCA converts to THC upon strong heating (> 200°F). The amount converted depends on the details of the temperature and timing. THCA has been shown to have anti-spasmodic and anti-proliferative (anti-cancer) properties, as well as evidence of anti-inflammatory activity. (In fact, there are other acid forms of THC, but they are almost always present in only very small quantities. THCA A and THCA B differ only in the placement of the carboxylic acid group. THCA A is almost always the version referred to when no designation is made.) Reported effects: antiproliferative (anticancer), antispasmodic1

“THC"= “D9-THC” = ∆9-THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol – Thought to be the most psychoactive of the cannabinoids and largely attributed with many beneficial medical properties, such as pain relief, appetite stimulation, anti-spasmodic properties, anti-emetic properties and many more. Plants don’t produce this compound directly. (Dried plant material contains only a few percent THC.) It is produced from THCA (see previous entry) by heating or exposure to UV light. Not all THCA ends up as THC. Heating has been shown to convert at most about 70% of the THCA into THC. The “∆9” in the name indicates the specific location of a carbon-carbon double-bond in one of the rings. Analgesic, antioxidant, bronchodilatory, reduce symptoms of Alzheimers, beneficial for duodenal ulcers, muscle relaxant, antipruritic

Yes this is correct. I can't believe people still get this one confused in the age of the internet!;)
 

headband 707

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Yes this is correct. I can't believe people still get this one confused in the age of the internet!;)

yeah were so stupid lol.. :biggrin:
The reason I don't understand this particular question is two fold. I don't have access to the labs so I have zero understanding of how they come to their conclusion. I have an idea but I would rather see for myself.The second would be my own speculations on the subject i.e. timing of harvests and when the specimin was taken and how they come to their own conclusions . I may believe one idea and not the other internet or not lol headband 707

Just a quick footnote here on the shit on the internet lol..I have had a person on this board challange me about not being able to find info and so it must not be true because it wasn't on the INTERNET seriously ? Do you really believe that if it's not on the internet it doesn't exist LOL now that shit is funny!!! Not trying to be a dick here but it doesn't have to be on the net to be true headband 707
 
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yeah were so stupid lol.. :biggrin:
The reason I don't understand this particular question is two fold. I don't have access to the labs so I have zero understanding of how they come to their conclusion. I have an idea but I would rather see for myself.The second would be my own speculations on the subject i.e. timing of harvests and when the specimin was taken and how they come to their own conclusions . I may believe one idea and not the other internet or not lol headband 707

Just a quick footnote here on the shit on the internet lol..I have had a person on this board challange me about not being able to find info and so it must not be true because it wasn't on the INTERNET seriously ? Do you really believe that if it's not on the internet it doesn't exist LOL now that shit is funny!!! Not trying to be a dick here but it doesn't have to be on the net to be true headband 707

Hey Headband-

I hope I didn't come across as insulting or implying anybody is dumb. I have researched the crap outta the whole CBD topic and so to my experience it seems like an old question, but I probably need to keep in mind that isn't the case for everyone:biggrin:

So I myself don't have access to a cannabis testing lab at the moment either. I have read many academic papers on the subject, and have watched videos and interviews from different labs in medical states etc. The basic stuff quoted from Biohazard's post is mostly well accepted and non-controversial. The ratio of THC and CBD is under genetic control, but interacts with environment. You have Bd gene which encodes for CBD synthase (enzyme that makes CBD) and the Bt gene encodes for THC synthase(makes THC). Of course I'm talking about the acid forms (THCA, CBDA). A plant gets two copies of the gene, one from each parent (similar to we humans). Plant can have two Bd, two Bt, or one of each. Two Bd means predominantly CBD chemotype. Two Bt = THC chemotype. One of each approx 1:1 ratio. Now the actual amounts vary because the 'catalytic efficiency' of the enzymes varies genetically. This is similar (to use a possibly helpful analogy) to human SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms). A SNP is where there is a single letter difference in the gene sequence for a given protein, changing its function. So lets look at the opiate receptor. Some people have one SNP for opiate receptor which binds very well with endorphins. These people need lower doses of opiate painkillers, have higher pain threshold, less likely to be opiate addicts. Another SNP for the same receptor means one is more likely to be the opposite of all those things. So back to cannabis- we have one plant with a certain SNP or 'variant' for the Bt gene and another plant variety with a different variant. One plant produces 3% THC (of course this means as a percent of dry weight I believe?), the other makes 10% THC. People selected through breeding plants which would have the more 'efficient' form of Bt variant, and also that has two copies of Bt. Both of those effects explain the genetic part. Studies doing gene 'knockouts' (where gene is taken away or blocked), genome sequencing and comparing with chemotype, etc ,etc have all supported the above model. I can give you the link to the scientific journal articles for these studies if anybody would like. They are on the internet and available for download free. This info is also posted on GW pharma's website in the science section.

Now environment also plays a role- So yes you can have two clones (i.e same genetics) but with different lights, nutrients etc and get different quantitative cannabinoid yields. Also harvest time may have effect as well- but based on simply one's subjective experience we can't be sure. Harvest time also affects terpene ratios/levels, and there is the breakdown of THC into CBN also happening.

As far as the internet is concerned- I don't think everything on the internet is true and not every accurate fact must be on the internet. However I would say that a huge percentage of factual information can be obtained on the internet, and the amount grows each day as people upload, scan, digitally archive things etc. The difference for me though, is I gather info from multiple sources to account for bias and errors. I also give much more credit to something I read in a Nature journal article (usually) vs on some random guy's blog, LOL.

So as far as hemp and CBD is concerned (I think I saw this mentioned earlier in thread) not all hemp varieties are 'high CBD'. Some of them produce CBG as the predominant cannabinoid. Some that produce CBD as primary cannabinoid still produce low amounts (like 3% CBD) which would be the CBD-equivalent of schwag I think haha! Also since hemp has been bred/selected for fiber production and whatnot, they likely have a different terpene profile from 'recreational' cannabis- but don't quote me on this as gospel yet;) I still have to find my references for this. But I have a paper looking at terpene profiles of hemp, and another looking at cannabinoid levels and ratios of various hemp varieties. I got all these while doing my own research for CBD-related stuff.

Now don't get me wrong, I still agree with your general sentiment that it is a shame to make illegal and charge outrageous prices for something that can be easily obtained. And yeah, the US is sometimes a hypocritical bully regarding foreign affairs. OK long post should now be winding down, whew! Let me know if my explanation of the topic was clear and/or helpful at all (or if it sucked and needs to be clarified). I will gladly provide the links to my sources too if anybody would like.

OK so below is a link to a very nice diagram that visually explains what I was talking about regarding the Bd and Bt genes and CBD/THC production. Enjoy!

http://www.gwpharma.com/cultivation.aspx
 
I posted in the Canadian forum but got little response. If hemp is illegal to grow in the US but hemp products are legal to purchase, is it legal to import raw hemp or hemp products? Those Dixie prices are really high but they must be getting the hemp from Canada to Colorado. Could a US citizen with no record lease or purchase land in Canada and grow hemp or purchase hemp from Canadian farmers to extract CBD?
 

Dilbert Do

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now folks with weakass weed got a market. its not weak its high in cbd man .

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mexcurandero420

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Try to get Chinese hemp seeds.China is the biggest exporter in hemp seeds and in Yunnan it is growing all over the place.

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Keep on growing :)
 
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Trippy picture there, mercurander. See two of the three sisters there? They've probably got some beans in there with the corn and squash and cannabis.
 
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