Which AdvancedLedLight to choose?

[Arthritis_sucks]

I want the best coverage but dont want to miss out on the new technology. I got a $550 budget and im looking at the 180w extreme flower model, diamond series 200w model, or the diamond xml series model.

Im flowering in a 4x8 tent an im just gonna stick it in one side an hang some panda film to create a 3x4 area. So which light should i choose.

 

[Socrates]

3x4 seems like a pretty big area for any of those lights, TBH.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

thats just the area im sectioning off and whatever would fill it the most is what im lookin for.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

maybe i can spend a few more bucks an get 2 diamond series 100's. Do they give any discounts for us or is there a coupon code?

 

[Socrates]

I'm not sure. Have you thought about eShine? They manufacture the advancedled lights, are cheaper, and you can customize the spectrum.

 

[vukman]

I'm not sure. Have you thought about eShine? They manufacture the advancedled lights, are cheaper, and you can customize the spectrum.

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what he said...............

 

[Phychotron]

They give discounts on multiple fixtures, but you can usually get a few bucks off or free shipping if you ask. Call them and they'll tell you which is better for your area.

as for going through eshine, although some of those lights look the same on the outside, the internal components that make up the lights may be completely different. Even the photo's they show have two different designs, one more toward the Advanced look, the other looks like the lenses/led's are typical cheap Chinese. I don't like dealing with the Chinese directly, they are more likely to rip you off as an individual.

I went looking for eshine grow reports and found this warning from Advanced that came out last week.

from http://blog.advancedledlights.com/uncategorized/eshine-systems-led-buyer-beware/

Here is the Truth about Eshine Systems:

1. Eshine Systems does not make, manufacture or supply any products to Advanced LED. (We tested their lights and found Eshine to be far inferior from what they claim.)

2. Eshine Systems LEDs are cheap low quality lights that will fail at a high rate (tested). Common Problems Include: Power supply failure, lenses falling out, dented/scratched lights, LED failure, switch failure and LEDs remaining lit in the dark period! We get calls on a daily basis about eShine and the problems people have with their lights.

3. Eshine Systems LED does not honor their warranty! They require that customers ship the lights back to them in China(expensive), pay to have them fixed and then pay for shipping again. NOTE: If they tell you they pay for these things it is only to sell you!

4. Eshine Systems LEDs are not the same as the Diamond Series LEDs. Even though they look the similar, the Diamond Series is very different. Here are a few differences:

We are a USA based company with a 24 hour warranty guarantee and full time AMERICAN staff to help all our customers. Call us! 1-800-401-6307
The Diamond Series have been Tested (real grow tests), Proven (see YouTube) and Approved (see our reviews) by growers world-wide and are backed by a 90 day guarantee and a warranty that costs you nothing.
Higher quality parts! We use top quality fans, heat sinks and top BIN LEDs from the best brands for each color we use. Our manufacturing process is much more accurate and able to wire and test lights that have a very low rate of part failure. (less than 1%)
The Diamond Series Lens! We tested over 40 different TIR lenses and hand selected the DS LED lens as the best choice. We are always testing new lenses and the DS lens remains the winner. Although the Eshine Lens looks the similar, it is not the same lens. In fact many companies simply put a TIR optic or a Collimated (dome shaped) lens over their LEDs and tell you it is a Diamond Series. Each lens operates completely different from others and the Diamond Series Lens is perfect for growing.

 

[Socrates]

Fair enough, I don't have a horse in this race, and can't comment about the truth of that blog post (when I tried to go to it I got a malware warning). Just wanted arthritis_sucks to be aware of all the options. Advanced users seem to be happy with their products, which is what matters. Arthritis_sucks was just worrying about covering more space on a budget, so I thought I'd mention the options. The eShine version of the DS200 is $255 plus shipping. So, he/she could almost get two of them for his budget, which is something he/she might at least want to consider. http://www.eshinesystems.com/grow/3g-100x3w-led-grow-light.html

This one would probably also be in the $550 or under range, though it's not Advanced-style: http://www.bsled.com/led-grow-light/h161d-280w.html

To answer your original question, Arthritis_sucks, if you do want to go with Advanced, I'd imagine the DS200 would be your best bet in terms of coverage.

 

[medmaker420]

Whatever you decide, I would focus on spectrum along with manufacturer because without the right ones growth can be affected no matter the make/model. Now which spectrum works for you might vary different because so far it seems everyone is testing out a ton of different spectrum options especially in the DIY section of grow forums ( specifically here ).

The spread can be dealt with by led angle as well btw.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

thanks everyone for the input. eshine just doesnt seem like a company that i want to go through. i pretty much narrowed down the company i want to use because of their 11+ spectrum mix and the quality an customer service of their products. Im just tryin to pick the best outta those three and decided to pick neither and go with 2x ds100's which will cover the most space for my budget, while still stayin with the new technology (besides the xml model which are just too expensive for the coverage they offer.)

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

I'm not sure. Have you thought about eShine? They manufacture the advancedled lights, are cheaper, and you can customize the spectrum.

im not too sure about that one as they visually look way different from eachother and eshine just looks like all the "others".

 

[Socrates]

Not sure how they're visually way different, but in any case, the two DS100s sounds like a good solution. Looking forward to seeing how it works out for you!

 

[vukman]

not that I care but how do you explain this:

 

[Socrates]

Thanks for that Vukman. That shows that the AdvancedLED spectra are different from the stock eShine, which are 450/470/630/660/730nm + 6500k, I believe.

 

[vukman]

anything to help people save money and grow a better product

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

just doesnt add up, why would eshine throw a buyer under the bus? Secondly.why would ad ancedledlights bash their supply? Third advancedledlights look a lil rounded on the edges compared to eshines. China is notorious for copying others an trying to say its the real deal. Forth and most important you would not be able to get a price sheet for advancedledlights IF they were actually uying from them. I just dont buy it, thanks for the info though an helpin me choose. Im gonna call advanced tomorrow and see what they say about them buying from eshine an more than likely get my 2 ds100's next weekend.

 

[vukman]

better yet...ask to see pictures of their 'manufacturing site...

<edit added info>..........http://www.bbb.org/arkansas/busines...smart-in-bentonville-ar-90002789#reasonrating BBB report of Market Smart..>parent company of Advanced<<

Just saying that anything and everything on the internet must be taking with a grain of salt..............Caveat Emptor.............<<<ALWAYS

I will not be saying another thing about this topic........

 

[Phychotron]

the case of the eshine is different in most pictures (they show a few different similar looking models, but variations in corners and fan grills.) and by owning a real diamond series its easier to tell that the eshine is not quite the same case. As well as all the spectrum is obviously their 6 band in all the photo's. Even the one imitating advanced on amazon is clearly not a real diamond series. Almost everyone has that traditional style case that the blackstar/extreme flower uses, but not made all at the same location.

That link i posted earlier isn't malware, http://blog.advancedledlights.com, goes on to say "We will be updating this post with quotes from Eshine stating they do not make the Diamond Series LEDs and other proof of the low quality and warranty problems with Eshine Systems LEDs."

Their Better Business Bureau rating is actually pretty good I'd say. I couldn't find the one for eshine. I cant tell if your trying to say that because they have a parent company that you shouldn't trust them? 9 bad ratings in the last three years, for both their LED and pet supply business. quite amazing actually.

I think that because they are part of a larger business that they are more stable and more likely to honor warranty issues. the markup is normal for U.S, it does cost money to pay employee's and ensure that their is enough profit to keep the business afloat. In addition, they actually keep stock on hand instead of just drop shipping--a sign that they are not just your stand alone-anyone can build a website-led dealer.

My stand is that right now it is essential to deal with a company that handles the business end with China. They keep tabs on quality, as well as improving on known designs. The Chinese may say its the 'same' but they would say that about Chevy and Ford, its a different concept to them altogether; and an LED light is an LED light--3w and all.

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

better yet...ask to see pictures of their 'manufacturing site...

<edit added info>..........http://www.bbb.org/arkansas/busines...smart-in-bentonville-ar-90002789#reasonrating BBB report of Market Smart..>parent company of Advanced<<

Just saying that anything and everything on the internet must be taking with a grain of salt..............Caveat Emptor.............<<<ALWAYS

I will not be saying another thing about this topic........

better yet i shall search for someone in Arkansas an get them to go an ask for a tour.

It doesnt bother me at all Vukman we can keep on this subject, after all thats why were here right. To weed out the imposters and leed heads in the right direction...tis why i started this thread.....lets detecti e this ish up lol....but must keep it sweet. Keep it green am stanky bro......to be cont.......

 

[Keep goin]

Hey AS...when you get the ds100's up and running please update with "actual" footprint of lights. I find that this is one of the biggest BS realities of the led industry. Overblown ideas of how much area you can cover.

From my experience led's don't throw more than a couple of inches away from the units edge...6" at best...

I have a Lumigrow ES330 and was sorely disappointed in the coverage area. Simply looking to cover a 3x3' tray. It didn't even come close...!!?

I'm interested in smaller units like these to complete the coverage of my canopy with multiple sources of light.