Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[Greyskull]

i can;t find my pictures of my last out door 130 plant 54 pounds dry yield unfoilated pisses me off Either way i am not going to bother with it i will make my 10 pound 9 - 12 plant indoor grows just like i always Have Cheers

I was just asking of the quality genes you were using to achieve such fantastic yeilds homie.

54lbs of good looking outdoor big bud is still big bud, same as is 10lbs of indoor big bud... you know what i mean?

Im not saying 'pics or it didnt happen' or 'i call bullshit' either...

What are you working with? IT LOOKS GOOD.

Thanks for understanding

 

[DrFever]

I was just asking of the quality genes you were using to achieve such fantastic yeilds homie.

54lbs of good looking outdoor big bud is still big bud, same as is 10lbs of indoor big bud... you know what i mean?

Im not saying 'pics or it didnt happen' or 'i call bullshit' either...

What are you working with? IT LOOKS GOOD.

Thanks for understanding

My strain i use is Pure power plant my out door i grew

 

[catman]

transpiration does not cool plants down. plants dont have any mechanism for cooling down. and cannabis doesnt grow in the rainforest. in fact everything you have said shows how little you actually know. i run a plant nursery and its my living. ive also got a few qualifications in biology which i wont go into for anonimity reasons. i cant be bothered to argue with you any longer so il agree to disagree with you. you can always post up some pics of your heavy yielding grows so you can show me up completely..

Transpiration does cool plants down through a physical phenomenon known as evaporative cooling. Grey Skull destroyed you and your petty rain forest argument. I've humbly shared my very first harvest on ICMAG and I will continue to do so as it shows what one can learn from others here. Maybe I'm an insecure asshole like you and I grow stealth because I run a whore house with real bitches who each have two SKSs strapped a crossed their fuckin beautiful chests. Maybe I'm just pulling shit out of my ass because you got me backed agaisnt a wall, lol. I've never claimed to have had any heavy yielding grows, but believe me bro, I never struggled to supply myself. You said you weren't interested in a pissing contest, but ya dun got pissed off and been pissed on Anyway, I care about understanding this plant and contributing to the community... there are plenty of places elsewhere on the internet for you to

 

[Greyskull]

Thanks DrFever for the 411
Ive had powerplant many times
Always enjoyed it
Its no big bud thank gawd!!!!!

Even though we maybe on opposite sides of the defol thing, i do like your style.

Aloha

 

[St3ve]

i here all this if its done properly but still waiting to see pictures of lower buds looking like a top Bud,
I also messaged some friends Heath , and jorge C hopefully they will come in here and clarify things a little better for you to under stand plant biology

WTF is wrong with your brain? How is insight from these guys any different than your science information? Do you think that if they say the right things to us, that our yields will go down from using this technique?

I bet if you did bring them in here, they would probably be fascinated by this technique. So bring it dude..

Still though Doc, you never answered my question. Why are you still trying your damnest to knock the legs out from this thread? I'm sorry you could not make this technique work for your grow. That gives you no right to come in here and try to preach that its against science and this and that when there are many many ppl who CAN and DO use this to increase yields.

I mean seriously.. what if I told you that there was no way to increase yields with LST? You'd laugh and say "I do it all the time" right? Yea well thats exactly how you look chicken stomping around this thread in front of all of us.

 

[St3ve]

Again as you can see the buds are not fully joined up so in other words after trimmed and chopped you got small crap ??? Right cutting stems in between Also looks like you sure burnt them up must of bin hard to trim

WTF are you talking about small crap? Who cares how joined or big or small the buds are. Its not a fashion show.. I grow for quality and weight. Are you saying you only use/sell donkey dick colas? What do you do with YOUR smaller nugs?

I mean, I have some plants that never produce colas.. but they put out consistently super dense golf balls, great weight, and the greatest buzz of any of my "donkey dick" strains. In fact, my number one requested bud, never has a cola ever. Hell, I just harvested and from 3 plants of that strain I got a dried weight of 10oz. (that is in 1 gallon pots with 10 plants per light)

 

[Bassy59]

I'm obviously doing it wrong too. Defoliated in veg and flower, 3 weeks to harvest still:

 

[phanni man1]

I'm obviously doing it wrong too. Defoliated in veg and flower, 3 weeks to harvest still:

I see nothing wrong there bro. I like the way you're using the rope too. Is this more effective than a scrog?

 

[DrFever]

MJ lives like any other thing on earth to carry on there GENE you don't think for a minute after millions of years of evolution a plant wouldn't change itself to produce more remember in reality a fruiting plant is trying to seed as much as it can
lets talk about the bad points of opening a wound on plants

Pathogens exploit every possible pathway to enter their host, although individual species of pathogen tend to have a preferred method. Fungal pathogens often use direct penetration of the plant surface to enter the host. This requires adhesion to the plant surface, followed by the application of pressure and then enzymatic degradation of the cuticle and cell wall, in order to overcome the physical barriers presented by the plant's surface. During the degradation of the cuticle and wall, a succession of genes are switched on and off in the pathogen, so that cutinase, followed by cellulase, then pectinase and protease are produced, attacking the cuticle, cell wall, and middle lamella in the order that they are encountered. The pressure needed for the hypha to penetrate the cell wall is achieved by first firmly attaching the appressorium to the plant surface with a proteinaceous glue. The cell wall of the apressorium then becomes impregnated with melanin, making it watertight, and capable of containing the high turgor pressure that builds up within the appressorium. The point of the appresorium that is in contact with the cuticle is called the penetration pore, and the wall is thinnest at this point. The increasing turgor pressure causes the pore to herniate, forming a penetration peg, which applies huge pressure to the host cuticle and cell wall.
The alternative pathway for pathogen entry is via a pre-existing opening in the plant surface. This can be a natural opening or a wound. Pathogenic bacteria and nematodes often enter through stomatal pores when there is a film of moisture on the leaf surface. Fungi can also penetrate open stomata without the formation of any specialised structures. Some fungi form a swollen appressorium over the stomatal aperture and a fine penetration hypha enters the airspace inside the leaf, where it forms a sub-stomatal vesicle, from which infection hyphae emerge and form haustoria in surrounding cells. Also vulnerable to pathogen invasion are hydathodes, pores at the leaf margin that are continuous with the xylem. Under particularly humid conditions, droplets of xylem fluid (guttation droplets) can emerge at the surface of the leaf where they can be exposed to pathogenic bacteria, which then enter the plant when the droplet retreats back into the hydathode as the humidity decreases. Lenticels are raised pores that allow gas exchange across the bark of woody plants. They exclude most pathogens, but some are able to enter the plant via this route. Some specialised pathogens can also use more unusual openings, such as nectaries, styles and ectodesmata. Entry through a wound does not require the formation of specialised structures, and many of the pathogens that utilise wounds to enter the plant are unable to penetrate the plant surface otherwise. Most plant viruses entrer through wounds, such as those made by their insect vectors.

 

[Greyskull]

They do enter thru wounds
Good point

I was taught that if you sliced your arm off with a sword, itd be a 'clean' cut that would bleed like a mofo and potentially kill you from bacterial infections entering the very open wound

But if the arm got crushed/pressed/pinched off, there would be less loss of blood, and there'd be much less opportunity for the blood to escape because the ends had been crushed/pressed/pinched - the vessels have been sort of capped off and the wound would not be so 'open'.

So i like to use the fingertip & fingernail on my index finger with/against my thumbtip and nail together to pinch the growth off/keep the wound opening minimal.

Its a way of trying to minimize negative results. I use this method for pruning, defol, and (in fact its the similiar action to what tou do to the growth sights while fimming)

 

[medicalmj]

WTF are you talking about small crap? Who cares how joined or big or small the buds are. Its not a fashion show.. I grow for quality and weight. Are you saying you only use/sell donkey dick colas? What do you do with YOUR smaller nugs?

I mean, I have some plants that never produce colas.. but they put out consistently super dense golf balls, great weight, and the greatest buzz of any of my "donkey dick" strains. In fact, my number one requested bud, never has a cola ever. Hell, I just harvested and from 3 plants of that strain I got a dried weight of 10oz. (that is in 1 gallon pots with 10 plants per light)

I am glad to see that I'm not the only one w a plant that wont grow donkey dicks. Had one that grew 3 foot colas and ya couldnt see the stem tha whole way but she took tooooo long and everyone would rather have this super skunky/cheesy heartpounding bud that never really gets bigger than a golf ball. Mostly the size of a quarter but very heavy and dense with trichomes a burstin.

 

[medicalmj]

Anyway, since there is such a big debate around this I went ahead and started the experiement w my lil girls in veg. too see how it affects budsite development. I don't know if I'll continue w the proceedure in flwr however. I agrre wth Dr Fever cause experience tells me that those leaves help produce bigger buds, but I could be wrong. My goal is to have a fat nug occupying 3"x3" space since the strain doesnt produce donkey dicks. So that'd be 16 tops per sq/ft. Once I get that table top canopy we'll see what needs to be done.

 

[St3ve]

MJ lives like any other thing on earth to carry on there GENE you don't think for a minute after millions of years of evolution a plant wouldn't change itself to produce more remember in reality a fruiting plant is trying to seed as much as it can
lets talk about the bad points of opening a wound on plants

Pathogens exploit every possible pathway to enter their host, although individual species of pathogen tend to have a preferred method. Fungal pathogens often use direct penetration of the plant surface to enter the host. This requires adhesion to the plant surface, followed by the application of pressure and then enzymatic degradation of the cuticle and cell wall, in order to overcome the physical barriers presented by the plant's surface. During the degradation of the cuticle and wall, a succession of genes are switched on and off in the pathogen, so that cutinase, followed by cellulase, then pectinase and protease are produced, attacking the cuticle, cell wall, and middle lamella in the order that they are encountered. The pressure needed for the hypha to penetrate the cell wall is achieved by first firmly attaching the appressorium to the plant surface with a proteinaceous glue. The cell wall of the apressorium then becomes impregnated with melanin, making it watertight, and capable of containing the high turgor pressure that builds up within the appressorium. The point of the appresorium that is in contact with the cuticle is called the penetration pore, and the wall is thinnest at this point. The increasing turgor pressure causes the pore to herniate, forming a penetration peg, which applies huge pressure to the host cuticle and cell wall.
The alternative pathway for pathogen entry is via a pre-existing opening in the plant surface. This can be a natural opening or a wound. Pathogenic bacteria and nematodes often enter through stomatal pores when there is a film of moisture on the leaf surface. Fungi can also penetrate open stomata without the formation of any specialised structures. Some fungi form a swollen appressorium over the stomatal aperture and a fine penetration hypha enters the airspace inside the leaf, where it forms a sub-stomatal vesicle, from which infection hyphae emerge and form haustoria in surrounding cells. Also vulnerable to pathogen invasion are hydathodes, pores at the leaf margin that are continuous with the xylem. Under particularly humid conditions, droplets of xylem fluid (guttation droplets) can emerge at the surface of the leaf where they can be exposed to pathogenic bacteria, which then enter the plant when the droplet retreats back into the hydathode as the humidity decreases. Lenticels are raised pores that allow gas exchange across the bark of woody plants. They exclude most pathogens, but some are able to enter the plant via this route. Some specialised pathogens can also use more unusual openings, such as nectaries, styles and ectodesmata. Entry through a wound does not require the formation of specialised structures, and many of the pathogens that utilise wounds to enter the plant are unable to penetrate the plant surface otherwise. Most plant viruses entrer through wounds, such as those made by their insect vectors.

I like how you refuse to answer any of my questions directly. What do you do instead? Try and win us over with more science. WTF does your paragraph have to do with this thread? Do you read this paragraph to yourself when you top or fim your plants while your busy creating an open wound that will probably kill your plant, all its neighbors, you and your family? Yes I'm being silly now now but come on.. do you honestly think if this caused the plants to get diseased that they would put out more weight? You may not know this (sarcasm) but sick or unhealthy plants don't produce quality or quantity. Do the plants in all of the pics in this thread look sick to you? Do you really think we are all here saying that this methods works to increase yield just to mess with you?

You are grasping on to whatever you can to try and win over this argument. Just let it go man and walk away.. please?

 

[St3ve]

Anyway, since there is such a big debate around this I went ahead and started the experiement w my lil girls in veg. too see how it affects budsite development. I don't know if I'll continue w the proceedure in flwr however. I agrre wth Dr Fever cause experience tells me that those leaves help produce bigger buds, but I could be wrong. My goal is to have a fat nug occupying 3"x3" space since the strain doesnt produce donkey dicks. So that'd be 16 tops per sq/ft. Once I get that table top canopy we'll see what needs to be done.

That sounds like a plan. And if done properly in veg, you won't need to take near as many leaves in flower. Mostly just the oversized fan leaves that bust out during the stretch.

 

[St3ve]

I am glad to see that I'm not the only one w a plant that wont grow donkey dicks. Had one that grew 3 foot colas and ya couldnt see the stem tha whole way but she took tooooo long and everyone would rather have this super skunky/cheesy heartpounding bud that never really gets bigger than a golf ball. Mostly the size of a quarter but very heavy and dense with trichomes a burstin.

Yea the strain I'm talking about is the Soma Seeds Diesel. It can always out produce any other strain of mine but never once has put up colas. I'm guessing because it always stretches like a mofo.

 

[siftedunity]

I've seen cannabis plant growing and flowering in the rainforests in Haiku. North shore maui.

I know they grow cannabis on the east side of Maui - Hana ... That is rainforest area too.

What do you mean you cant grow cannabis in a rainforest?

YOU CAN. Happens all the time.

Waiting for scientific answer....

*dont post bullshit dumbass blanket statements you know nothing about. Especially after you post about how you are a biology qualifications holder and a bunch of shit about running a nursery... that just makes you look more retarded when you fuck up.

Thats like folks saying you cant grow og or chem or indicas in Hawaii... STUPID. Because i do it year round, homie.

You can grow cannabis in rainforests.
FACT.
GET YOU SHIT STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU START SPOUTING OFF THIS THAT AND THE OTHER BECAUSE YOUR INACCURACIES WILL DETRACT FROM WHATEVER ACCURACY YOU CLAIM.

perhaps i should hae been more clear with my rainforest answer. but a rainforst by definition is a heavily treed area with a heavy rainfall. you can get a wide range of rainforests from very cold to hot so i should have been clearer in what i ment.

cannabis grows in some not all. i could pick a few rainforest that your cannabis would never grow in if you want me to prove me point or are you still sticking by your statement that canna can grow in any rain forest?

 

[siftedunity]

Transpiration does cool plants down through a physical phenomenon known as evaporative cooling.
how can they do that when you chop all the leaves off?

I've never claimed to have had any heavy yielding grows, but believe me bro, I never struggled to supply myself.

lol you said it yourself bro.. on the other hand all my grows are big yielding bar the very first grow i ever did which was still pretty good lmao.
plenty of places elsewhere on the internet for you to are you gay?

now please stop engaging in conversation with me. your a proll who skins his plants. do i give a fuck? no!

 

[siftedunity]

I like how you refuse to answer any of my questions directly. What do you do instead? Try and win us over with more science. WTF does your paragraph have to do with this thread? Do you read this paragraph to yourself when you top or fim your plants while your busy creating an open wound that will probably kill your plant, all its neighbors, you and your family? Yes I'm being silly now now but come on.. do you honestly think if this caused the plants to get diseased that they would put out more weight? You may not know this (sarcasm) but sick or unhealthy plants don't produce quality or quantity. Do the plants in all of the pics in this thread look sick to you? Do you really think we are all here saying that this methods works to increase yield just to mess with you?

You are grasping on to whatever you can to try and win over this argument. Just let it go man and walk away.. please?

tbh man everyone has there own points and opinions. but you wont post pics or anything and theres plenty of people who dont post pics because their grows are shit.

im wondering to all you defoiliators here, do you hit a gram per watt (or more) using your technique? (just asking)

 

[Greyskull]

perhaps i should hae been more clear with my rainforest answer.

perhaps yeah hahahaha

what things are supposed to do, and what things do, are sometimes not the same. i dont think theres a scientific explanation for it either
crazy randomness

 

[St3ve]

tbh man everyone has there own points and opinions. but you wont post pics or anything and theres plenty of people who dont post pics because their grows are shit.

im wondering to all you defoiliators here, do you hit a gram per watt (or more) using your technique? (just asking)

lol you're right, my grows could be shit. I won't post for my own piece of mind since I am in a non-legal state. (hopefully for not too much longer) So yes, you have no way of seeing pictures of my own grow, so you never can tell.

It doesn't matter about me though, this isn't my thread. The OP posted pictures and discussed the method in detail. Many more beyond that have posted failures, and successes. The problem is, the OP refuses to post up in this thread because of ppl like the good Dr here and many many more who want to say that this tech doesn't work because THEY failed at it. Well I didn't really get good at it at first either, but I kept at it until I got a feel for it and now I know that it works... for me, in my garden.

Posting GPW doesn't mean anything. There are people who grow .4 up to 2 using the same systems. I could easily say I hit 1.5gpw but even if I did the nay sayers would call bullshit. There is no way to prove or disprove anything on an online forum such as this. Its a place for ppl to share their own success and failure with others. Thats why it gets under my skin when ppl try and preach about things they haven't experienced for them self, its ludicrous really. If you don't think something will work, then don't try it, but don't say something doesn't work just because YOU can't make it work.

But to answer your question, I'm at a point now where I hover around .9 gpw. However, if I monocropped my biggest producer I have no doubt that I would get pretty far past 1. But I like a variety..