Help with amending

[Hydropimp]

Hey guys I need help amending 2 bags of ffof 3.0 cubic feet.

I have the following items.

alfalfa meal
cottonseed meal
fish meal
fish bone meal
kelp meal
soft rock phos
humisolve
great white
dolomite line powder
bone meal
blood meal
perlite


And in the liquid department i have fish hydro, super tea mix (the guano company), Grandmas blk strap molasses

Also I have a 5gl bucket tea brewer with a pvc diffuser. need help here too. only used it once.

No ewc at the moment but would like to top dress later. and add it to the aact

I would like to add the dry amendments in the soil so I can transplant for 2gl into 5gl.

But I will only be veging till roots fill the bucket then flip to flower.

this will be in a 4x4 tent with 16 girls vert 2 tier stadium with a 600

thanks fellas.

 

[Dkgrower]

I am not familiar with those Foxfarm soil but have read that they allready pimped with amendments

I would go light on all the stuff and just add some alfalfa 5%, Fishbone meal 5% and perlite 50% if u are going with some automated water system.

Some xtra dolomit but if the pH is allready in check i would not add more lime

Soft rock phos is in my opion not to be used in organic growing

Regarding the Tee i would tailor them as the grow progress so higher N i veg and add some high P and K when u are in midflower

 

[BlueJayWay]

2 bags of ocean forest, I would add per bag, see below in bold

Hey guys I need help amending 2 bags of ffof 3.0 cubic feet.

I have the following items.

alfalfa meal 1cup
cottonseed meal no cups, or 1/4 cup (pesticide residues etc)
fish meal 1cup
fish bone meal 1cup
kelp meal1 to 2 cups
soft rock phos 1/2 cup
humisolve 1/4 cup tops, assuming this is Leonardite
great white use at transplants @ root zone
dolomite line powder 1 cup
bone meal 1/2cup, or exclude since fish bone meal used
blood meal 1cup (but i wouldn't use blood myself)
perlite 1/2cuF to 1cuF per bag


And in the liquid department i have fish hydro, super tea mix (the guano company), Grandmas blk strap molasses

Also I have a 5gl bucket tea brewer with a pvc diffuser. need help here too. only used it once.

No ewc at the moment but would like to top dress later. and add it to the aact

I would like to add the dry amendments in the soil so I can transplant for 2gl into 5gl.

But I will only be veging till roots fill the bucket then flip to flower.

this will be in a 4x4 tent with 16 girls vert 2 tier stadium with a 600

thanks fellas.

Then have at it with teas, make some teas with your alfala & kelp too IF you can get EWC in time, add a bunch of that to the soil mix also!

 

[Scrappy4]

Hydropimp, although i have never used ffof, I have read of complaints from users plenty of times. Ussually it is the grower used ffof then fed too heavy and burned the plants, the other complaint is bugs in the soil. Like Dkgrower said ffof is amended already. I would not add anything for amendments, with one exception ewc @20%, and after observing the plants feed lightly with teas.....scrappy

 

[BlueJayWay]

It really isn't that "hot" of a bagged soil and plants eat up what's in it in a few weeks, it has some EWC, guano, fish/crap meal, some compost, and mostly peat moss/perlite - I've used it plenty and amended it heavily - amendeding it as suggested, with what you have available, you will only need to start with straight water and light teas, then work your way up as your plants respond. Don't amend it and your plants will respond well to heavier teas/feedings, that's about it

Fungus gnats often hitch a ride in their bags.

 

[Hydropimp]

Thanks for everyones input.

@Dk i don't know how much will 5% brake down into cups but bluejay made it clear

@Jay thanks for the numbers on each item. I plan to just feed water and teas only at apporpriate time. when ever that is i don't know will need help with that too. I will try to find ewc locally but if i have to order it it will take a week.

@scrappy help a brother out in the tea department only use the brewer twice and the first time it came out good scond did not.

Not worried about the fungus gnats shit happens and plus all the stuff I listed I already have. I would like to make soil from scratch later. the girls just need to be transplanted already. They are going from 2gl to 5gl fill the bucket with roots then flower. I have a nice roots system already. smalles girl is about 24" biggest is about 35". I would like to mix this up to night. so i can flower in about three weeks I need to get clones off the girl before they go into flower.

This grow will be water and tea only. And I am running out of head room need to transplant give her a day or two to recover then clone, top, then flower.

keep it coming guys.

I can post pics but later need a cord for the cam

 

[187020]

Help with amending?

Help with amending?

But I thought u was the Hydropimp homie ?? Very peace

 

[soursmoker]

But I thought u was the Hydropimp homie ?? Very peace

LOL!

 

[Scrappy4]

@scrappy help a brother out in the tea department only use the brewer twice and the first time it came out good scond did not.

OK, the simple compost tea is for establishing microbes in your soil. I use about two cups of ewc or compost, about 4-5 tbs of molasses in a five gallon bucket of water. Brew this for 24-36 hours depending on temps, warmer temps equal shorter brews. And make sure you have a decent pump putting out a lot of air.

For veg thru early flower I like to make a alfalfa meal tea. I use about a cup or two of alfalfa meal ($12 for 50lb at the farm store) in a five gallon bucket with water. I brew this 24 hours. I drench feed this or dilute and use in a foliar feed for a plant tonic. I use this style tea at any time in a cycle with dry botanicals like comfrey, yarrow, borage, kelp for drench feeding. I don't mix these for the most part it is one at a time, and for strength I want the tea to be colored like drinking tea is.

A couple times per cycle I use fermented plant extracts as well. I like dandelion (both whole plants and roots and flowers only) alfalfa meal, and comfrey. For these I just cover the plant material with water, cover and let sit for a month or more.

I just mix up what I feed and concentrate on healthy soil.
And I got all my info from stickied threads.....scrappy

 

[707CGE]

I would say to make some killer teas out of your amendments and just buy some basment mix from royal gold coco it comes pre jucied and inoculated. With compost tea .

 

[Hydropimp]

@ craven still pimpin but on another level. Can't do the dro right now.

@scrappy Air pump is a eco 3 or 5 if I am right got rid of the box it was about $70 i think.
I am going out now to look for some ewc(pvc diffuser). where do you source the comfrey, yarrow, and borage?

 

[Scrappy4]

@scrappy Air pump is a eco 3 or 5 if I am right got rid of the box it was about $70 i think.
I am going out now to look for some ewc(pvc diffuser). where do you source the comfrey, yarrow, and borage?

The best source is to grow your own. You get started here.
http://www.horizonherbs.com/
If you have to order some this is a good resource.
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/

 

[Granger2]

For anything you add to the FFOF soil, add an equal amount or more of perlite. -granger

 

[nukklehead]

It really isn't that "hot" of a bagged soil and plants eat up what's in it in a few weeks, it has some EWC, guano, fish/crap meal, some compost, and mostly peat moss/perlite - I've used it plenty and amended it heavily - amendeding it as suggested, with what you have available, you will only need to start with straight water and light teas, then work your way up as your plants respond. Don't amend it and your plants will respond well to heavier teas/feedings, that's about it

Fungus gnats often hitch a ride in their bags.

tu shay along with grangers quote of cutting with perlite in the early stages... its a WEED..... dont make it any more difficult then that

 

[Hydropimp]

Jay if I add all the ingredents do i have to let it cook?

Still haven't mixed up the soil. Trying to find the ewc.

 

[BlueJayWay]

Wuddup Hydro, with it being a new batch, meaning you haven't grown plants in the exact mix, then I would definitely let it sit and "cook" for at least a couple weeks, after a day or two it should feel nice and warm a few inches down and if you are storing it in a big rubbermaid tub, put the lid on to keep it moist (barely moist, not soggy), water it down with an EWC tea or kelp tea or alfalfa tea or all three to help kickstart the process and innoculate with the benefits of the castings or kelp or whatever.

Whatever amount of EWC you add, put equal amount of your perlite, how big is the bag you got? I would almost say go ahead and add a bag of castings per bag of FFOF with equal amounts, or even a tad more, of perlite.

I have transplanted into heavily amended mixes within a day of mixing it, not recomending this for a mix you've never used though, not by any means. I just want to point out that "cooking" for months, as some might suggest, is not necessary, especially if you know what your plants can handle. Let it sit for a week or two, as long as you can wait so the little buggers have time to get to work and establish their little colonies and start breaking down all the goodies you may or may not be adding.

Make sure they are good and healthy well established plants when you transplant and give them a nice kelp tea if you can @ transplant to help establish roots, EWC tea good at that time too.

Give plain waterings too and see how well they grow with what you have in your soil, increase/decrease teas or strength of teas if you notice your plants are getting plenty or not enough nutes from the soil, you might find that its hard to overfeed with teas, some use teas every feeding, i like to alternate with plain water at least to get a feel for what the plants are getting/not getting from the soil - ya feel me?

Good Luck and have fun!

 

[Hydropimp]

Jay I don't have too much time to wait I have to transplant asap.

What about cutting the ingredients in half. And planting right in?

I know I should let the soil cook but need to transplant.

I am going to fire up the brewer with

4.5gl of water
1 cup ewc
5tbs molasses
1 tbs kelp
pinch of soft rock phos
1oz of fish hydro

 

[BlueJayWay]

use (total) 1 cup of alfalfa, 1 to 2 cups of kelp, 1 cup fish bone meal, 1 cup lime, your ewc, perlite, mix that shit up and get planting! sprinkle some great white in there right where you're going to transplant, so the roots have direct contact and mycorhizae start growin' asap.

too much more inputs and you may be asking for trouble planting right in there, top dress with a little of whatever you want as you go


skip the rock phos in the tea, use 4tbsp kelp instead and you're good to go. at least that's what i would do

 

[Hydropimp]

@jay I added 1/2 of a cup of all the ingredients you Put a cup to
I watered with molasses and root excel.

I can always add but not remove.went with less and planted right. Let see how this turns out.

Oh I see you run bogs gear I have 5 sweet cindy. How that sour bubble?

 

[BlueJayWay]

Nice, sounds good, yeah that sour bubble is killer,, not a huge yielder but every other dept. AAA+ Sweet Cindy should yield real well!