Online CDN stores to by LED lights?

[Megas]

Any good online CDN stores to by LED lights?

 

[vukman]

Hiya...you can check out the LED lights subsection in the growing lights forum. As for a Canadian place, please do yourself a favour and do some research. I can attest to the fact that 99% of the LED's come from China. The only difference is that you'll pay through the nose if you buy them from a retailer who will fill your head full of useless crap.
I've gotten a ton of info from alibaba dot com. If you're really interested, PM me and I'll send ya info that way....

Good Luck

 

[Pro Grow Canada]

If you live in Ontario you should look up craigslist and kijiji. I buy my leds there from a guy in stoneycreek named paul. been buying them for 5 years now. dual, tri, quad, 1w or 3w etc. warranty and bill or you can pay cash discreetly. Anyways like Vukman said, do your homework.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

Hiya...you can check out the LED lights subsection in the growing lights forum. As for a Canadian place, please do yourself a favour and do some research. I can attest to the fact that 99% of the LED's come from China. The only difference is that you'll pay through the nose if you buy them from a retailer who will fill your head full of useless crap.
I've gotten a ton of info from alibaba dot com. If you're really interested, PM me and I'll send ya info that way....

Good Luck

This guy speaks the truth.

There is no shortage of mid 20's pot nerds with some medical grow money in their pockets trying to sell LED's claiming there is magical new advances that make them better than HPS lights.

Pretty much ANY led fixture you find being sold as amazing technology, will be on alibaba.com being sold for 1/10th the price by the same factory.

 

[growshopfrank]

This guy speaks the truth.

There is no shortage of mid 20's pot nerds with some medical grow money in their pockets trying to sell LED's claiming there is magical new advances that make them better than HPS lights.

Pretty much ANY led fixture you find being sold as amazing technology, will be on alibaba.com being sold for 1/10th the price by the same factory.

Rube speaks the truth also

not many brick and mortar stores want to be bothered with cheap chinese LED's these kind of products are best sold over the net as when the inevitable problems arise its easier to ignore the customer from afar
look for a kijiji "sales team" in your area and good luck

 

[vukman]

Rube speaks the truth also

not many brick and mortar stores want to be bothered with cheap chinese LED's these kind of products are best sold over the net as when the inevitable problems arise its easier to ignore the customer from afar
look for a kijiji "sales team" in your area and good luck

First off...Rube..thank you....
now..this is why I usually keep comments to myself about Chinese tech.
Honestly there growshopfrank.....what makes you think that it's inevitable that there will be problems?? Long gone are the days that we used to laugh about things being 'Made in China". I don't see the clothes falling off our backs.. The shoes we wear ripping apart. The "insert item here" breaking/ripping/tearing.....etc..etc.. that was made in China today.
Sure, the dinky dollar store crap...you get what you pay for..but honestly..Where do you think that HGL, advancedled, BCled. etc..etc.. get their LED lights from? You really think they are 'Made in America"....seriously?? come on........Hey, I'm not Chinese. I'm Canadian. Born, bred and raised but I have to face facts and they are that we have no one to blame but ourselves that everything and anything is made in China today.
Also, with that same train of thought, you think they haven't learned anything? Do you think they are the manufacturer of the world due to poor quality?? I think it's more like decent quality at a more than fair price. A price, due to the political regime in that country that the currency is unfairly kept low due to it not being traded on the open market.
Politics aside, today's China is not the same China we grew up laughing at. Let's be honest and play fair, shall we. We sit here and complain about how unfair the laws are to us because we cannot have free access to our meds but yet in the same breathe, we are more than willing to be prejudice pricks.......

Flame me if you have to or if I said anything above that isn't the truth

vukman

 

[growshopfrank]

vuk sure there is good LED's available but the for every good LED system sold probably 50 to 100 low quality poorly crafted POS are sold with unrealistic and untrue performance claims
good LED systems are expensive enough to cause sticker shock for most buyers and cheap ones tend to suck so ether way a retailer is better off stocking other products if they want to be a success

 

[chief bigsmoke]

look up E-Shine on Alibaba.. they are legit and very helpful

 

[Pro Grow Canada]

Without getting into the details of my own personal identity I used to be involved in international imports and exports within one of the top 3 North American cities. I'd bring in pharmaceuticals one day, tank turrets the next, northrop drones, animals for live testing, even old vintage korean sneakers. My point is that the lights are as vukman says. It is stabilized items that have had the kinks worked out. I have been using leds for the past 5 years. At first exclusively, then as a compliment, but at no time did i ever experience any problems. I will gladly post pics of 5 year old leds bought off the internet via ebay and craigslist/kijiji.

It is true that you need to do your homework but that is true with anything. Caveat emptor and that is why you come to a site like this and expect someone to give you an informed opinion. Saying that leds are cheap and will break is like saying a strain is crap when you grow it under a couple 23w cfls.

So, I've explained what I used to do, and what I've been doing now. Where's your proof ?

 

[Pro Grow Canada]

This is an add for the local guy I use in Canada, he ships internationally. His Add is below:

http://hamilton.en.craigslist.ca/hsh/3169840370.html


Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 19:01:57 -0400
Subject: Re: please quote leds
From: (EDITED)
To: (EDITED)
Hi there
I got 120W, 40 x 3W led config units at 5 band leds. If you order 10 to 12 units I can sell them for $140 per unit. Let me know

Thanks
(NAME EDITED)



On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:36 PM, (INFORMATION EDITED) wrote:


Hi (NAME EDITED),

I am looking at the possibility of purchasing a large quantity of LED's to retrofit an existing horticultural facility. Are you still in business and can you advise as to your website can bulk pricing? we are expecting to get something in the market of 10-12 led panels of around 120wattage with triband spectrum, or comparable/ recommended.

Thanks,

(NAME EDITED)

 

[Pro Grow Canada]

And this is the exact same business and owner who sold me my first one five years ago and some other equipment since.

 

[vukman]

Pro Grow Canada

VERY RIGHTEOUS BROTHER.

Caveat emptor certainly does fit in this case...Hell, in most cases. Was it not the American car industry which almost went tits up? American made.....hmm......didn't have a good quality and/or service record.

Look, I'm not trying to knock anyone or anything growshopfrank. Honestly, I wish that we could buy anything and everything produced here in North America like we once used to but those days are gone......

I fully agree and know that items produced here are enough to give you a heart attack when you see their price. Also, I know that a lot of electronics made here are the best in the world.!

Unfortunately, we or at least I, live in a world where my lifestyle is directly affected by my finances and I have to live within my means. Try to thrive within them as well so I have no choice but to make an informed decision. I feel as though I got a good product for a good price.

Pro Grow Canada, thank you for that link. Also, those prices are extremely affordable compared to what other 'retailers' are asking. We're talking around a dollar a watt. I'd love to see advanced or HGL offer the same type of pricing.

In closing this post, just want to say I came here seeking knowledge and like minded people with whom I can have an exchange of information and ideas. I am glad I chose wisely..........

Wishing you all the best.........always
vukman

 

[Megas]

which models did you guys order off alibaba?

 

[RubeGoldberg]

which models did you guys order off alibaba?

most of us didn't.. in all honesty, LEDs just aren't able to match an HPS light in performance yet.

The point being made was, most LEDs being sold as the next innovation in growing are just chinese crap.

But our industry being what it is, a lot of people are able to call themselves experts and get away with it unchallenged.

 

[vukman]

most of us didn't.. in all honesty, LEDs just aren't able to match an HPS light in performance yet.

The point being made was, most LEDs being sold as the next innovation in growing are just chinese crap.

But our industry being what it is, a lot of people are able to call themselves experts and get away with it unchallenged.

Rube, you're right....to a point my friend and I have to say why...The point and fact that most of us didn't and will never buy LED's is absolutely spot on. I, on the other hand, am willing to experiment only because of the little grow tent I have here for my personal, I can experiment with. The grow that I am partnered up with a few other people, once again, all legal, licensed and legit, we still have yet to see empirical evidence to support LED's being better.

Now, about them all being Chinese crap, I do have do disagree. I am more than well aware that the 200+ pages that come up when you search for 'LED grow lights' cannot all be manufacturers!! I know they supply the world with everything but damn!!!! Still!! LOL

So, yes, there are a lot of companies, wholesalers and especially retailers who make wild claims about what LED's can do and yes, most of it is wildly exaggerated but.... I have news for you..

The day will come when they will outperform HID's and that day can very easily be today except for one thing. The prohibitive cost factor of the stronger hi-powered LED chips. I have been doing a great deal of research into this field. More than I care to admit or even think about.. I really need a damn life! ...With that said, the 5W and 10W LED chips are out there in any wavelength and spectrum you want. The cost of a 10W chip starts at around $20 each for a coloured spectrum. Some of the spectrum colours are not even available in a 10W chip. That is the reason behind the LED's not being able to compete with HID's.......yet. Not because they are crap made in China. There is a reason that China is the world manufacturer. The days of when we used to laugh at something 'Made in China' are long gone. Sure, there is crap out there, you get what you pay for. Same as anything but if you do your research, you won't get burned and you'll get very damn close to HID quantity even with today's LEDs.

Rube, by no means is this meant to be an attack nor assault nor anything of that nature on you. Please understand that.......You've supported me and I respect you and your opinions. I just wanted to make a few points known but as always....debate, refute, rebut, flame, criticise..etc..etc.. I'm a big boy with big shoulders.. I can handle it..

 

[vukman]

which models did you guys order off alibaba?

I first borrowed a light from a friend who was not using it any longer but me being the type who doesn't really like to borrow stuff, I was instantly bitten by the bug..

I bought 2-500W "Blackstar" units which draw between 294-298W each. So I have a total wattage draw of around 600W. I didn't subtract anything for the fans so obviously the LED output is less.

I paid a total of $660 for both and another $40 for import/duty fees so a total of $700 for both delivered to my door in around 5 days time! They got shipped on a Saturday and I got them around mid-week so there ya go.. DHL was used.

I am pretty damn happy with the results which can be viewed in my album. I do post either here or more frequently to the LED sub-forum every few days with the progress.

I will not endorse any one company but I will say that Bysen, Eshine, Vanqled and I believe Fobsun manufacture their own products. I know the first 3 do but am not 100% sure about the last one.

This information above I discovered only after I purchased my LED's. I am still happy with my buy though but a little more patience on my part would have yielded me a better product.. Oh well.......live and learn or C'est la Vie as the French say.

Medmaker420 is doing an exhaustive and inclusive test run as we speak for a new retailer forming in the US I believe. They really are sparing no expense in the amount if units and spectrum they are testing so it will be very interesting to see the results.....

 

[Big Sky]

Pro Grow Canada

VERY RIGHTEOUS BROTHER.

Caveat emptor certainly does fit in this case...Hell, in most cases. Was it not the American car industry which almost went tits up? American made.....hmm......didn't have a good quality and/or service record.

Look, I'm not trying to knock anyone or anything growshopfrank. Honestly, I wish that we could buy anything and everything produced here in North America like we once used to but those days are gone......

I fully agree and know that items produced here are enough to give you a heart attack when you see their price. Also, I know that a lot of electronics made here are the best in the world.!

Unfortunately, we or at least I, live in a world where my lifestyle is directly affected by my finances and I have to live within my means. Try to thrive within them as well so I have no choice but to make an informed decision. I feel as though I got a good product for a good price.

Pro Grow Canada, thank you for that link. Also, those prices are extremely affordable compared to what other 'retailers' are asking. We're talking around a dollar a watt. I'd love to see advanced or HGL offer the same type of pricing.

In closing this post, just want to say I came here seeking knowledge and like minded people with whom I can have an exchange of information and ideas. I am glad I chose wisely..........

Wishing you all the best.........always
vukman

as an upstanding American and patriot-
Id have to actually- AGREE with you! lol
sux dont it!? bwahaha-

your example of cars is spot on-
only one domestic car sold today is worth buying-
a jeep-
over 60 years of research and development- but even the brand new ones- suck- lol
my jap rice burners have all not only went extremely fast but put up with more abuse then any car should see-
ive had turbo supras, tiburon 6 speeds, datsun and nissan Z's, rx7-
blew one up after 270+ k and 10 years of drifting it on and off rd like a rally car-
ive blown up every domestic ive ever owned-
about 4 total-
in under 200k-
i once exploded an entire egr valve setup - how do you do that!?

"I wish that we could buy anything and everything produced here in North America like we once used to but those days are gone......"

sad but true-
it really is cold truth-

for folks who dont want to believe it..
our land has been outsourced like crazy- call your CC company one time , when you get "peggy" then you will understand-