Government WILL Ban Guns Soon....

[iampolluted]

had the suspect had a gun, he would have killed her. i'm glad, for her sake, someone came to her rescue. that doesn't necessarily mean the gun used to subdue the suspect was legal. in this case, even if the gun wasn't legal it's doubtful the bystander would be charged, although they could be. the part a majority here seem to forget is not all of us are allowed to carry weapons.....at all. funny thing is, everyone advocates self defense, but what about those of us who are legally unable to or financially unable to own a gun? how can we be expected to deal with the same force as those trying to attack us? i guess the "losers" of society are dealt a death sentence should the shit hit the fan. bringing a bat to a gun fight is just plain stupid, but since we're the scum of society we deserve to die....needless to say i don't give a fuck if they ban guns or not. i'm screwed either way.

i'm with ya on the fuck the gov't....they've been a pain in my ass since i was 18 and continue to be one. they always will be, imo. they are a "legal" racketeering ring.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGWLsn0iM&feature=related

 

[GetUpStandUp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmGWLsn0iM&feature=related

Funny there is a cap on how happy you can be, hence the thread, the site. Limitation is being done on all levels, even education, and truths. Truth being infinate, not our own understanding.

 

[iampolluted]

<~~~~~~~misarchist.

 

[Elsweeto]

Why'd this get moved to the good ol' USofA forum. Us Eurtopians talking too much sense for some mods?



If it's because it's a political debate can you not just set up a forum for those of us who enjoy talking about politics/philosophy I know they all piss themselves when this stuff hits the den so why not just give us a forum to discuss it. There are thousands of bullshit threads here which could be deleted to make room.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Americans are more apt to equate gun controls with a wholesale ban on guns.

 

[supermanlives]

take the guns its gonna get ugly. anyone can make black powder . gun cotten can be made too and you can play with mercury. guns are here to stay and i dont loose any sleep . america is all about war. never be a shortage of stuff to kill folks. we are always at war somewhere. better to be the top dog then the bitch.

 

[demasoni]

Some of this thread has been a gun control debate. On that topic we don't need heavier regulation. We don't need assault weapons ban. true criminals will have them regardless. There's too many out there to reverse and we'll keep making them. Firearms education is best you can do.


Regarding "guns will be banned", some have already said "its not happening" and "its gonna get ugly"
There are other things to worry about before guns would be banned.
Reality is it may get ugly without taking the guns away.

Executive orders during a state of emergency is where it will "get ugly".
Bentom posted them in another thread (along with other pertinent material).
These exec orders establish that all it takes is one little 'event' for declaration of martial law.
It is the closest scenario to physical confiscation of civilian arms but more probable, and goes way beyond taking the guns.

Forget the knock on the door for your guns because it gets really ugly in the event military forces are used to seize property, control of resources, and relocate citizens (as outlined in the executive orders). Its not "red dawn" as pablos stated.
Its not the soviets vs afghans either. Soviets did not have the technology or battle field knowledge our forces have today and it wasn't their home turf.
We aren't afghans either, we have not endured consistent combat on our own turf for centuries much less this century.
There are millions of americans owning firearms including entire caches and "collections", some belonging to individuals with combat experience. What about organization?
No matter how large, ragtag groups of civis and individuals may inflict casualties, but consider this:
Militias are likely compromised. At least a nasty level of counter intel already obtained against them.
Worst case scenario could be the full force of every branch used to suppress any resistance against execution of the executive orders. Even a small portion of the forces is sufficient. Bases everywhere, superior ground forces, air dominance, communications. An Infrastructure dedicated solely to all elements of combat. I doubt anyone is "scared" to try physical confiscation when state of emergency is all thats necessary, because any small arms resistance would be met with superior firepower just on the ground. Consider the technology utilized, the majority of which citizens have no access to or the organization to employ. Consider that the more of a threat you are or fight you put up, the more resources will be turned on your location.
someone already said it, "you probably wouldn't even see the person who kills you"
Think about who we are specifically referring to and how extensively trained and equipped that individual and his small team is. Good luck there, I know I wouldn't want to face that. Need a lot of luck.
I'm not saying there aren't prepared valiant or patriotic individuals out there willing to defend their constitutional rights. I'm not saying theres no hope. I'm not saying if worst comes to worst that some aren't capable of making a dent. Certain groups could hold out for a while, but after the first encounter it would only get hotter. Many have the rifle, few have the mind. Even then it sure would help to have the same toys as what your up against.

I'm just saying step back and look at what could actually happen thanks to certain exec orders. It goes way beyond physical confiscation of arms. In that scenario we better hope large intact groups of mil do the right thing and protect more than their families. Food, water, and air especially are guaranteed scarce in worst case scenario (think whats most likely to set all this in motion ) that would be ugly. Even financial collapse could flip the switch. Its the most probable and that scenario provides the least excuse for abuse of force, so if that happens hopefully we'd see responsible/minimal use of forces.
I'd hate to see any of that happen.

If none of that occurs we'd probably just see increased price in ammo and some further lame ass restrictions.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

Good words Demasoni, I wish I could write that when I think, it dont come out as fluent like you did, this why this site, and subjects in threads are way important, we all grow mutually if one uses logic to make there minds up from word spoken. I agree what you said a whole lot more than the thought of physical taking of arms. I feel the arms issue is just a back seat issue in comparison to other facts that will be addressed before govt makes that choice. We cant really think our military or govt will do something they have never done before, and never under the guise of how they actually disarm ppl we see when they do take over.

All I can say is that Ruby ridge is exactlly how ppl on this thread think, they wanted to leave society because the govt, they wanted to practice the 2nd amendment, and they were buried to set the tone for others who felt the same. That was years ago, Waco happened the same way, so can anyone use these case to expond why this would not happen again? I mean New Orleans is currently under exectutive orders with curfew, yeah because of the storm, but ppl fail to see govt using these orders daily. Do we recall the Helicopters snipping looters during Katrina? And they were not armed, matter of fact one guy was mentally retarded, and they gunned his ass down, now gun owners put yourself in that mans shoes, and your sain, but with a gun, how will your doom be met?

 

[Hank Hemp]

I'm walking down the road with my wife and dog. I spy 2 guys getting into a pickem-up truck and tell them that they are dragging their trailer plug and they have no backup lights. They pickup the plug and thank me and we continue our walk. All of a sudden a suv pulls up with a load mouth driving. He thinks I've had words with these boys. He wants to know what was said. Look y'll you talk to me it's private ok. Load mouth tells me they are drug dealer ect ect. Then this nut flashes a 9mm and a .223 assault rifle. No this nut does not did to be riding up and down the public road locked and loaded and looking for trouble. Sorry

 

[THE PABLOS]

Some of this thread has been a gun control debate. On that topic we don't need heavier regulation. We don't need assault weapons ban. true criminals will have them regardless. There's too many out there to reverse and we'll keep making them. Firearms education is best you can do.


Regarding "guns will be banned", some have already said "its not happening" and "its gonna get ugly"
There are other things to worry about before guns would be banned.
Reality is it may get ugly without taking the guns away.

Executive orders during a state of emergency is where it will "get ugly".
Bentom posted them in another thread (along with other pertinent material).
These exec orders establish that all it takes is one little 'event' for declaration of martial law.
It is the closest scenario to physical confiscation of civilian arms but more probable, and goes way beyond taking the guns.

Forget the knock on the door for your guns because it gets really ugly in the event military forces are used to seize property, control of resources, and relocate citizens (as outlined in the executive orders). Its not "red dawn" as pablos stated.
Its not the soviets vs afghans either. Soviets did not have the technology or battle field knowledge our forces have today and it wasn't their home turf.
We aren't afghans either, we have not endured consistent combat on our own turf for centuries much less this century.
There are millions of americans owning firearms including entire caches and "collections", some belonging to individuals with combat experience. What about organization?
No matter how large, ragtag groups of civis and individuals may inflict casualties, but consider this:
Militias are likely compromised. At least a nasty level of counter intel already obtained against them.
Worst case scenario could be the full force of every branch used to suppress any resistance against execution of the executive orders. Even a small portion of the forces is sufficient. Bases everywhere, superior ground forces, air dominance, communications. An Infrastructure dedicated solely to all elements of combat. I doubt anyone is "scared" to try physical confiscation when state of emergency is all thats necessary, because any small arms resistance would be met with superior firepower just on the ground. Consider the technology utilized, the majority of which citizens have no access to or the organization to employ. Consider that the more of a threat you are or fight you put up, the more resources will be turned on your location.
someone already said it, "you probably wouldn't even see the person who kills you"
Think about who we are specifically referring to and how extensively trained and equipped that individual and his small team is. Good luck there, I know I wouldn't want to face that. Need a lot of luck.
I'm not saying there aren't prepared valiant or patriotic individuals out there willing to defend their constitutional rights. I'm not saying theres no hope. I'm not saying if worst comes to worst that some aren't capable of making a dent. Certain groups could hold out for a while, but after the first encounter it would only get hotter. Many have the rifle, few have the mind. Even then it sure would help to have the same toys as what your up against.

I'm just saying step back and look at what could actually happen thanks to certain exec orders. It goes way beyond physical confiscation of arms. In that scenario we better hope large intact groups of mil do the right thing and protect more than their families. Food, water, and air especially are guaranteed scarce in worst case scenario (think whats most likely to set all this in motion ) that would be ugly. Even financial collapse could flip the switch. Its the most probable and that scenario provides the least excuse for abuse of force, so if that happens hopefully we'd see responsible/minimal use of forces.
I'd hate to see any of that happen.

If none of that occurs we'd probably just see increased price in ammo and some further lame ass restrictions.

Hello. Realism. I'd rather own food and water supplies than firearms...any day of the week.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Funny, I don't remember much of an uproar when they took guns in NO after katrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Confiscation of firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, National Guard troops, and US Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[77][78] Even National Guard troops, armed with assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[79]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[77]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[77] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[80]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
Hurricane Katrina Door to Door Firearms Confiscation

 

[gaiusmarius]

that's what was going through my mind when i read how they will never do it, New Orleans during Katrina. villas in high and dry areas were broken into and had their guns cabinets broken into by national guards. as well as going from house to house collecting weapons in poor areas.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Load mouth tells me they are drug dealer ect ect. Then this nut flashes a 9mm and a .223 assault rifle. No this nut does not did to be riding up and down the public road locked and loaded and looking for trouble. Sorry

This has nothing to do with guns. Your issue with that person has everything to do with how a diseased society creates nut-jobs like that. Sorry.

They could just as easily have flashed a baseball bat with lead toe-weighting. Perhaps a homemade pipe-bomb? (Much easier to get these days)

Stay Safe!

 

[StellarP]

Guerilla warfare......Soviets vs. Afghans....U.S. vs. N.Vietnam............an army cannot defeat a non existent enemy. Those who help you during the day will assassinate you at night............As mentioned, technology has benefited the military, but has also contributed to the unlikely possibility of a U.S. gun ban.
The State governments are the concern when it comes gun legislation............easier to chip away 1/50th at a time!

Cheers
StellarP

 

[demasoni]

As I made my post NewOrleans during Katrina crossed my mind as well. New Orleans is the testing grounds. FEMA is the key to it all.
I strongly urge everyone to read the article provided by madbuddhaabuser.

Funny, I don't remember much of an uproar when they took guns in NO after katrina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo
Hurricane Katrina Door to Door Firearms Confiscation

One important thing the article fails to mention (courtesy of censorship I'm sure) is the involvement of private military company BlackWater to "curtail looting". There has been extensive effort to cover this up, I suggest looking into it. That's right, mercenaries patrolling streets in the united states.

that's what was going through my mind when i read how they will never do it, New Orleans during Katrina. villas in high and dry areas were broken into and had their guns cabinets broken into by national guards. as well as going from house to house collecting weapons in poor areas.

Exactly.
Citizens were forced to relocate even if they were physically safe and had the means to sustain themselves. They also had the means to defend their property against looters until their arms were confiscated and bodies relocated. Few know what happened to their provisions and property. (There's your glimpse at the possible future).
FEMA knowingly stalled and turned away all sorts of relief efforts (and this is fema in its infancy).
Some citizens were perfectly prepared to ride it out and even provide assistance, instead their constitutional rights were violated in the name of "safety" through federal management.
Properties on high ground, bone dry, still residents FORCED to leave (or had already left) and their gun cabinets were raided by the guard.
Katrina has been used as an "example" and excuse to give FEMA further totalitarian authority in the event of an emergency. The agencies size and scope has grown immensely since.
To date it has even more power and authority coupled with homeland sec.
They act under the guise of relief only to impede the communities ability to respond. New Orleans in no way accurately measures the need for an agency like FEMA. States and Cities do just fine without a fed emergency management agency.
NewOrleans would have done better if the agency hadn't turned away all the external help and impeded local efforts. Man is inherently capable, FEMA strips this away.
The agencies name itself promises infringement on state sovereignty and individuals constitutional rights.

All I can say is that Ruby ridge is exactlly how ppl on this thread think, they wanted to leave society because the govt, they wanted to practice the 2nd amendment, and they were buried to set the tone for others who felt the same. That was years ago, Waco happened the same way, so can anyone use these case to expond why this would not happen again? I mean New Orleans is currently under exectutive orders with curfew, yeah because of the storm, but ppl fail to see govt using these orders daily. Do we recall the Helicopters snipping looters during Katrina? And they were not armed, matter of fact one guy was mentally retarded, and they gunned his ass down

Yes, look at New orleans again today.
Someone mentioned regional stores stripped their stock of firearms/ammo as the current hurricane rolled in. There's no arguing there's a curfew.
A few months ago the mayor requested the guard patrol the streets and implement martial law to quell "violence". He substantiated this by citing a shooting where a child was killed when some guy shot at another guy and hit the kid on accident.
This happens all over the US frequently yet its censored. It happens in New Orleans and they try to call in the gaurd and initiate curfews etc. labeling it "a war zone". laughable.
By that means sections of NY, Chicago, Atl, Detroit, Dallas, LA, are all "war zones". How many kids in the US have been blown apart by an air strike? Exactly, Soon as that happens they can call it a war zone.
New Orleans has been and still is test grounds for martial law in the US, plain and simple.

The point is, disaster strikes, FEMA comes to save the day, prepared citizens are then stripped of arms by the guard, guard is dispatched to stop looting and forcibly relocate people. Its great practice for a nation wide scenario. Difference is, we now have "special places" to "relocate people" in such scenario. We now have
New military MOS and homeland sec job openings like internment/relocation specialist.

Here's where things really come together:
Read the above article and see how much Gov Blanco fucked things up. (one of the ways to shift blame away from FEMA onto local gov)
To quote Gov Bitch Blanco:
"These troops are fresh back from Iraq, well trained, experienced, battle tested and under my orders to restore order in the streets. ... They have M-16s and they are locked and loaded (no shit????). These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will." And they did, including innocents.
This is also your answer to WHY THE FUCK was the guard sent to Iraq in the first place? To prepare them in a combat environment that will instill a "more than willing to kill" mentality for homeland scenarios like New Orleans, duh.
To circumvent the whole reason we have a "guard" instead of only AF, Army, Navy, Marines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The guards deployment overseas and new focus in training is a sneaky circumvention of Posse Comitatus Act and Insurrection act by essentially turning the guard into another Army/weak marine corps in their combat capacity ( branches otherwise restricted by Posse Comitatus Act or dod). Now we have "soldiers" trained for combat carrying out law enforcement, ( instead of the guard in its original capacity) at the request of state Gov. If state Gov doesn't ask for it, the President via NDAA sec1076 will assure it in national emergency.
You can do a quick search and find the guard has intensified training and shifted to a combat role focused on "civil disturbance and disobedience".
This is instead of training in the traditional natural disaster relief role-
Such as extinguishing forest fires, like the one they started and failed to contain while training on 50 cal machine guns when told its too dry on the range.

Our other branches were, and still are, the first line of defense against external threats. Our infrastructure prior to patriot act, dhs, fema, was sufficient for combating internal threats.
Despite that, the new training emphasis for guard is a combat role against "internal threats", aka civil disobedience.
Its flat out combat infantry training. Objective- to instill in the guard the "KILL" mentality of the Marine. Objective- to kill using toys like mounted 50cal, m203 grenade launcher etc. They need to be prepared in case you refuse to give up your guns and choose to protect your self and property as afforded by the constitution.

Do we even need to broach drones in domestic air space? Just know they are flown all over, plenty of data collected, surveillance, actually tracking civilian vehicles etc.. "training" for "future purposes". Tip of the iceberg.

Again, guns are only part of it.
It all points in one direction, potential for the worst case scenario; seizure all assets, removal of all constitutional rights, forced relocation, all in one fell swoop known as martial law. Total control of your life as you know it unless your are the mega elite or one of the protected classes serving high enough in critical infrastructure, the perfect mechanism to revamp society with the flip of a switch.

 

[GetUpStandUp]

A+ reporting right there, brings tangible facts to the table for others to grow in knowledge. Anyone who is inlisted, or has been inlisted knows your ass is not yours anymore, 6 weeks of bootcamp means 6 weeks of a boot up your ass to kill any individual thought, action for as long as you allow it. Our country is contradictory in everything it does, it lies so much, and so blattenly who knows up from down, unless you research, and gain knowledge, the book of Probverbs says wisdom is the tree of life, and you cannot get wisdom without knowledge, and that it is more precious than anything, even GOLD.

People think troops will not obey orders, but anyone who watches sports, like football know what it means to be on team, there aint no I in team. That is instilled from pee wee football, then right after high school most kids get into the military with big pushes from family, and society, what is a young man to do? He has been tramatized in a extream fasion by some really evil leaders, killing any child, or woman is not honorable, and that begins the down hill spiral in ones ability to see straight.

The fact no one has gone thru the senerio like martial law, and having to actually shoot, makes all speculation of what one will do during a event ignorant, so all ppl on mind mode to kill any looter, can make the assumption a black family with kids, and wife, are coming to loot on you, open fire protect mine, all the while they just want to get to safty. Even if someone wanted your THINGS, give them it, you may lose things that can be replaced, but you will never get your mind back if you truly take a life.

Why I feel this goes deeper than all is being discussed on reasons why things are the way they are, its all timing on their parts, we can see stradigy being played out, but why? ppl say this, and that, very good things to ponder, I will add again that we all know they lie, now think if they all knew something bigger, like mass earthquakes, flooding, storms, volcanos, tsunamis, and all the now more than obvious signs the planet is not acting right, and that is what they show you on news from them, but look behind the news, and you find that there is a lot of things not being reported, for example, the only reason I follow, is I got a friend from manila, and for 2 weeks now they been under water ten times worse than katrina, and then just had a 7.6 quake, and I have yet to see any news footage of that. WHY?

They known our weather is changing, and I feel they know exactly why, this reason is in some way relayed to the troops, which gives them even more power to do whats asked of them, cuz we are fools, we dont know, they do so you listen or you get shot. What ever it is its big, and world wide, maybe the main reason for the push from so long ago for one world system, having a world wide event can do that, and ppl will go crazy during such a event, which makes shooting someone more logical reasoning to do so.

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

This would certainly support why the gov't is demonizing constitutionalists, libertarians, and military veterans. They're the ones that will provide the most opposition.

http://www.infowars.com/marine-kidnapped-over-facebook-posts-i-am-scared-for-my-country/
http://www.infowars.com/us-veterans...-in-mental-hospitals-is-indefinite-detention/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi-att...e-poster-children-for-domestic-extremism.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=3tbp1hERZjI Notice the first answer he gives: "Marines obey orders." Then when further prompted, "what if the order goes against the constitution?" he clarifies that marines can disobey unlawful orders.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

this thread sux

 

[dagnabit]

Yet you post...
What does that say about your level of suckitude?