Best Beneficial Bacteria product, to replace Voodoo Juice, in Hydroponic system

[ekomsi]

Brew your self some EWC TEA, look up heisenberg tea, worked great for my roots, I use ewc, zho, and great white, add a little molasses and brew for 30 hrs, its cheap and works great.

All the products used in the tea last awhile, bc you use such small amounts of zho and great white to make 1000s of organisms.

I should also note Im interested in trying Capulator's Bennies as well.

 

[ender87i]

So ive got 3 pages of posts to reply to, but ill shorten it up...

First, to the person saying additives are snakeoil, you my friend need to open up your mind (or a book) and realize that there ARE alot of benefits to using additives. They are not just snake oil. Although some of the additives on the market are useless, many of them are amazing. For example, Liquid Karma and Floralicious are both amazing products.. I personally use the full Botanicare line, so ill continue by saying Aquasheild is a great product, so is Silica blast, and the list goes on. These are all additives, and they all serve specific purposes and are certainly not snake oil.. Weather you use them or not you'll still grow just fine, so they arent necessary in that sense, but they DO help. Rather than being called "additives" maybe you should think of them as "optionals". They are simply just extras, that your plants will be fine without, but are helped along in different ways if you have them.

As far as weather beneficials are useful in a recirculating hydro system with hydroton, i agree that it may not be as useful as in soil or coco, but i still think its useful.. I personally use Rockwool to germinate or clone into, which then goes into my Hydroton. So the beneficials could actually colonize in the Rockwool at the very base of the roots. Correct? So i think beneficials could still be useful.

To the guy who had an A and B experiment with and without a sterile rez, i think you must have had a bad environment in the first place in the rez that got all nasty.. Maybe your water was too warm, or not being aerated or left sitting, etc.. I've never had a problem with my system, and ive never really kept it sterile. But i HAVE always made sure to keep a temperature that is less than 70, and always aerated. So there you go.

There are probably more things im forgetting to reply to, but anyway i ended up getting two products yesterday: Roots Excelurator, and Great White.

What do you guys think of these? specifically what do you guys think about the Roots Excel? its spendy!

 

[irobot sd]

Well RE is to be used with the H&G line IMO. I have gone through whole flower cycles using it and also choosing not to use it. Currently I am running it at about 1/2-1ml per gal. I use to run botanicare products but never did have a great success with hydroponic systems. IF I had to only run the Roots excel or Amino treatment I would go with amino. Reminds me of liquid karma and keeps my nutrients in check.

 

[FreedomFightr]

Im not sure if I use my bennies right? But I will sprinkle some zho or great white when I transplant. I just sprinkle some in the hole and drop the plant in. I will also add it to my tea's that I make. Plants will get a tea feed and foliar spray at least once every 2 weeks.

 

[Builtaforest]

Quite a few years ago I remember someone adding a fish filtering system with a bio wheel on to the rez. The Bennie would colonize on the wheel bio wheel and keep out the bad guys. ( a lil digression there)

Hurtback!

baf

 

[TribalSeeds]

So ive got 3 pages of posts to reply to, but ill shorten it up...

First, to the person saying additives are snakeoil, you my friend need to open up your mind (or a book) and realize that there ARE alot of benefits to using additives. They are not just snake oil. Although some of the additives on the market are useless, many of them are amazing. For example, Liquid Karma and Floralicious are both amazing products.. I personally use the full Botanicare line, so ill continue by saying Aquasheild is a great product, so is Silica blast, and the list goes on. These are all additives, and they all serve specific purposes and are certainly not snake oil.. Weather you use them or not you'll still grow just fine, so they arent necessary in that sense, but they DO help. Rather than being called "additives" maybe you should think of them as "optionals". They are simply just extras, that your plants will be fine without, but are helped along in different ways if you have them.

As far as weather beneficials are useful in a recirculating hydro system with hydroton, i agree that it may not be as useful as in soil or coco, but i still think its useful.. I personally use Rockwool to germinate or clone into, which then goes into my Hydroton. So the beneficials could actually colonize in the Rockwool at the very base of the roots. Correct? So i think beneficials could still be useful.

To the guy who had an A and B experiment with and without a sterile rez, i think you must have had a bad environment in the first place in the rez that got all nasty.. Maybe your water was too warm, or not being aerated or left sitting, etc.. I've never had a problem with my system, and ive never really kept it sterile. But i HAVE always made sure to keep a temperature that is less than 70, and always aerated. So there you go.

There are probably more things im forgetting to reply to, but anyway i ended up getting two products yesterday: Roots Excelurator, and Great White.

What do you guys think of these? specifically what do you guys think about the Roots Excel? its spendy!

Well, fuck! I guess we werent of much help. Those are atleast the most expensive products you could find, Im sure.
While RE is a root stimulating tonic, its not beneficial bacteria... Ill assume you knew that it was hormones, vitamins and maybe enzymes, but its not bacteria. H&G cannot export bacteria to the US and RE is available here. You might want to just hand water that at this point and not add to your 50gal res.
H&G recommends using Great White because it is from Plant Success, that is under Humboldt(H&G's distributor). There are cheaper alternatives to GW, like Mycos. The reason GW is more expensive is because it contains a more diverse amount of species, but you already have them in your Aquashield. Im certain this was covered in the first paragraph of the link on the first page.
Have you been using Aqua Shield the whole time? Its mostly a bacillus strain that helps jump start inoculation. Are you considering adding more on top of this? What are you trying to accomplish exactly?

 

[ekomsi]

I like great white and RE, I dont reccment adding powdered great white straight to your rez although I know of a great grower that had sucess doing that. I prefer and had better results using the great white as a ingredient in my ewc tea which after brewing I then added to the rez (55 gall rez 48 bucket ebb n grow using hydroton.} RE is great but expensive. I would use the RE and brew some tea your roots will go insane.

I also think using a lot of products gets to a point of overkill but thats for a diff thread.

 

[HUGE]

So I see you took none of the advise here and bought 2 unrelated very expensive products. In case you misse d it several people in here suggested "Orca" which is the version of great white that is meant for hydro. You do realize that if you mix that great white into your 50 gallon ebb and gro res that y lo u will be buying another jar in like 2 weeks.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i like GH's subculture M the best ZHO is good too
my2c

 

[TribalSeeds]

So I see you took none of the advise here and bought 2 unrelated very expensive products. In case you misse d it several people in here suggested "Orca" which is the version of great white that is meant for hydro. You do realize that if you mix that great white into your 50 gallon ebb and gro res that y lo u will be buying another jar in like 2 weeks.

GW Hydro Application is 3-4 scoops per 50 gallons. One scoop = 1 teaspoon. I think a 4oz jar should last something like 10 res changes without spillage. But I wouldnt put it in my res.

 

[Shafto]

First, to the person saying additives are snakeoil, you my friend need to open up your mind (or a book)

I think that was directed at me?

You're totally right ender87, what the hell do I know about anything, right? I better go open a book and learn how to grow.

Enjoy spending money on metal bottles and fancy labels, hey, as least you might think you're a better grower cause of it.

 

[HUGE]

This is the rate I saw and used.

Browse other Category here:** *Shop here* * Atmosphere* Books & Videos* Containers* Growing Mediums* Grow Rooms* Grow Lights* Hydroponics* Miscellaneous* Plant Nutrients* Pest Control* Propagation & Cloning* pH & TDS Testing* Timers* Trimming & Harvesting* * HOME**Plant Nutrients**Plant Nutrient Enhancers - General**Great White Mycorrhizae - 4 oz*****enlargeMSRP:*$36.95Online Price:*$29.95*per*EachSave 19% !Qty:******Item Code:NEGPSGWM04Shipping Weight*:0.10LBCategorylant Nutrient Enhancers - General*Item Description*Great White is the most advanced mycorrhizal product on the market today. The combination of mycorrhizae, beneficial bacteria, trichoderma, and plant vitamins will give your platns a strong and developed root system. This will enable your plants to break down and absorb nutrients efficiently and effectively. Also it will increase water uptake and the overall absorption area of the root system, resulting in a healthier plant. Can be used in hydroponics as well as soil. May also be injected in to media.Ingredients:9 species Endomycorrhizae & 11 species Ectomycorrhizae67,000 Endo & 1.5 billion Ecto Propagules per lb.19 species Bacteria/ 2 species Trichoderma/ Biostimulant Package/ Vitamin Package*Recommended ApplicationCuttingsip cutting into cloning gel then dip directing into GW powder.Apply three to five days after cutting has been taken.* Water directly into root zone.Hydro1 scoop GW per 2 gallons of water2oz. GW per 50 gallons waterSoil1 scoop GW per 2 gallons of water2oz. GW per 50 gallons waterFor potted plants:* 4" - 3oz.* 1 gallon - 5 oz.**5 gallon - 32 oz.*

 

[HUGE]

That's 2oz per50 gallons. 4 oz jar last 2 res changes. Atleast that's how I read it. So I asked the guy tithe store what the fuck he pointed to the orca and David that's the version for hydro. At the rate on the bottle it lasts like 100 times longer than great white. Great white is great for making like a 5 gallon bucket teary brew and applying separate frown a big 50 gal note res.

 

[TribalSeeds]

Those are labeled as the root drench and soil/potted plants application rates. Thats to be used once every 2-3 weeks.

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Im not sure if I use my bennies right? But I will sprinkle some zho or great white when I transplant. I just sprinkle some in the hole and drop the plant in. I will also add it to my tea's that I make. Plants will get a tea feed and foliar spray at least once every 2 weeks.

Pretty sure those products you mention are water soluble products.. meaning they are designed to be dissolved into water and drenched with.

If you are looking for something to sprinkle in during transplant I'd recommend a granular product. I personally think RTI Mykos granular is the best on the market (at least in the hydro-stores). When comparing it against Great White and a few others the Granular Mykos had colonized the medium at a much fast rate.. and in much larger QTY. (based on how fast and well the medium was "holding" together..after only 3 days of initial inoculation.)....just testing in coco.

^this is their granular version. But they do offer a water soluble version as well.

 

[TribalSeeds]

Directions on the pack of ZHO are to sprinkle into planting hole and or make a root drench using either 1 scoop or 1/2 scoop. I forget

 

[FlowerFarmer]

^I wasnt aware of that. Thought it was strictly a water soluble product.

The Great White is a water soluble product though.. and an expensive one at that. If one was wanting to sprinkle they'd be better of using their much cheaper granular product.

When running Hydro I used to use the regular Plant Success soluble for years with great results. Not sure if it was the myco or the fact that is had 20% humic acids in it, but whatever it was it worked great in hydro. Used to just come in a bag however.. I've never used this new label/container stuff.

I no longer grow hydro, but after having compared the Plant Success line (both granular and water soluble) to the Extreme Gardening RTI Mykos Granular I'll no longer be purchasing plant success products. I had noticeably faster mycorrhizal germination & better colonization with the granular mykos.


I still think it's all a rip-off though when marketed towards our intended purpose. If looking for the best deal one would be much better off looking into other sources for these ingredients such as septic tank treatment and/or pond products.

 

[habeeb]

well, I base my stuff off of GHE ( general hydrponic europe )

trichoderma hazarium..


anything with that in it. I guess GH subculture - B is fine enough, and even overkill



this is based off there producing, bio sevia ( organic in hydro ) and they accomplish that just with the above mentioned strain..

 

[TribalSeeds]

Once you sprinkle it in the hole and place the plant in you should water it.
I actually tested one of these products(I forget the one) in a solo cup by sprinkling it on the root zone. I didnt water it in until later. When I looked back at the roots they were covered in yellow and hard.

 

[FreedomFightr]

Yeah I do water them down after I transplant with just some RO water. I usaully water with only water for the first 2-3 days before I begin nutes.