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Secret Ingredient?!?
- Thread starter Seandawg
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OK so let me share a bit of my "light bulb" moment.
The MJ that i grow for my mom is a particular strain called J-1 Kush. A strain that was gifted to my by an older lady that knows thing about MMJ. She uses this strain for its very intense body effects. But she doesnt smoke it because she doesnt believe in smoking it. She makes it into a juice. and as she continues to take the juice its compounds soak into her body and she can use maintenance dosages.
The thought of Eugenol got me excited thinking that we could add more things to her juice and make it more effective for her. As I looked up the compound i found "greater galangal" ginger species.
This is a species that i have growing in my yard. So we just added some to the juice. Also thinking of adding Lavender and Hibiscus later.
Thank you so so so much!
Hello all,
My secret ingredient is virgin angel piss.
Very expensive and hard to get.
Else I use ewc, composted chicken shit (Stuzman's Sup'rgreen) and molasses teas. Occassionally with a handfull of alfalfa off the bail.
Its almost as good as the VAP but easier to source.
minds_I
My secret ingredient is virgin angel piss.
Very expensive and hard to get.
Else I use ewc, composted chicken shit (Stuzman's Sup'rgreen) and molasses teas. Occassionally with a handfull of alfalfa off the bail.
Its almost as good as the VAP but easier to source.
minds_I
Virgin angel piss?
I never knew angels lost their virginity? I always thought they had to be pure to be angles? I also never knew they pissed?
Seems like i have a lot more to study than i originally anticipated...
Or he was talking about his neighbor. J/k
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BlueJayWay
Wow that's awesome seandawg! Glad that bit of info proved helpful, isn't it always great to find things so useful in the yard?
OK so let me share a bit of my "light bulb" moment.
The MJ that i grow for my mom is a particular strain called J-1 Kush. A strain that was gifted to my by an older lady that knows thing about MMJ. She uses this strain for its very intense body effects. But she doesnt smoke it because she doesnt believe in smoking it. She makes it into a juice. and as she continues to take the juice its compounds soak into her body and she can use maintenance dosages.
The thought of Eugenol got me excited thinking that we could add more things to her juice and make it more effective for her. As I looked up the compound i found "greater galangal" ginger species.
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This is a species that i have growing in my yard. So we just added some to the juice. Also thinking of adding Lavender and Hibiscus later.
Thank you so so so much!
Sean
Is galangal ginger available at food markets? Sometimes called Thai ginger at the Asian markets around here
Is galangal ginger available at food markets? Sometimes called Thai ginger at the Asian markets around here
You know, I've never really taken the time to look lol. But im more than confident that they're available in decent quantities at bargain prices at a few local places.
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bajangreen
Clackamas you know your shit. been wondering about an ants problem i have, ants, scale and sooty mold, been researching and it seams that the ants are the root cause of the other two. The mold is all over the plants and the surrounding areas, the other growers that experienced these problems used seven dust, mix in water sprayed on the plants to good effect, but, i am a natural man.
I have a neem tree, how do i go about extracting the good stuff to get rid of the ants, and would this also kill the beneficials? I am now seeing lady bugs and my first time seeing a real mantis. don't want to kill these guys but if they have to go, they have to go. just starting flowering so i have to solve this quick.
And unfortunately i don't have a cow. Thanks for all your help been a real inspiration.
I have a neem tree, how do i go about extracting the good stuff to get rid of the ants, and would this also kill the beneficials? I am now seeing lady bugs and my first time seeing a real mantis. don't want to kill these guys but if they have to go, they have to go. just starting flowering so i have to solve this quick.
And unfortunately i don't have a cow. Thanks for all your help been a real inspiration.
bajangreen
A couple of questions:
Every part of the neem tree contains compounds and to a lesser degree contains some or all of the primary oils: Omega-6, Omega-9, Palmitic acid, Stearic acid, Omega-3 and Palmitoleic acid - but in the leaves, bark and berries are where the different compounds are created and stored. The berry is the best to work with and you want them as ripe as possible but regardless you can get a powerful extract before ripeness.
I ordered berries, dried leaves and bark from the neem tree farmer in Florida a couple of years ago so I'm 'somewhat' familiar with using the materials direct from the tree, i.e. raw & unprocessed. I wouldn't say that I'm experienced - just familiar enough to give you some ideas.
I'm working with information from The Neem Tree: Sources of Unique Natural Products for Integrated Pest Management, and Medicinal, Industrial and Other Purposes
EDIT: Unrelated to killing insects, do you have taro leaves available? Young green coconuts? Before the shell hardens - that's the name on the sign at the Asian markets (mainly Thai, Cambodian & Vietnamese) so it may not be the term used worldwide
Just curious......
CC
A couple of questions:
Is your neem tree well established like say 5+ years?
Do you have any dried leaves or bark that has fallen away? IOW don't pull bark from the tree or anything like that or even pull living leaves - just take what's been donated.
Are the berries ripe and if not how many months away are you from peak ripeness?
Is it the time of year to see flowers?
Do you have any dried leaves or bark that has fallen away? IOW don't pull bark from the tree or anything like that or even pull living leaves - just take what's been donated.
Are the berries ripe and if not how many months away are you from peak ripeness?
Is it the time of year to see flowers?
Every part of the neem tree contains compounds and to a lesser degree contains some or all of the primary oils: Omega-6, Omega-9, Palmitic acid, Stearic acid, Omega-3 and Palmitoleic acid - but in the leaves, bark and berries are where the different compounds are created and stored. The berry is the best to work with and you want them as ripe as possible but regardless you can get a powerful extract before ripeness.
I ordered berries, dried leaves and bark from the neem tree farmer in Florida a couple of years ago so I'm 'somewhat' familiar with using the materials direct from the tree, i.e. raw & unprocessed. I wouldn't say that I'm experienced - just familiar enough to give you some ideas.
I'm working with information from The Neem Tree: Sources of Unique Natural Products for Integrated Pest Management, and Medicinal, Industrial and Other Purposes
EDIT: Unrelated to killing insects, do you have taro leaves available? Young green coconuts? Before the shell hardens - that's the name on the sign at the Asian markets (mainly Thai, Cambodian & Vietnamese) so it may not be the term used worldwide
Just curious......
CC
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bajangreen
The tree is 20+years. Honestly i just passed the tree but i cant remember if it has on fruit, it has on blossoms though.
I dont have Taro but i do have Eddoes, its almost the same LOOKING plant (from pics on wiki) but i never seen a taro plant in real life. Whats up with that? FPE????
So will any of this/ these help me with my Ants, scale, sooty mold? What about pepper. Well I live in the tropics and have access to lots of plants. Like aloe etc........
I really don't want to have to dump seven on my plants so close to the end of their season after a totally organic grow.
I dont have Taro but i do have Eddoes, its almost the same LOOKING plant (from pics on wiki) but i never seen a taro plant in real life. Whats up with that? FPE????
So will any of this/ these help me with my Ants, scale, sooty mold? What about pepper. Well I live in the tropics and have access to lots of plants. Like aloe etc........
I really don't want to have to dump seven on my plants so close to the end of their season after a totally organic grow.
bajangreen
Your ultimate goal is to harvest the berries so it's best to leave the blossoms alone. A 20+ year old tree should have plenty of leaves that you can harvest.
The compound that gets discussed the most, Azadirachtin, is generally found in equal ppm throughout the plant. That is why it is the one isolated and sold for different applications including pesticides. Of the compounds identified as biopesticides in the neem & karanja trees, Azadirachtin is not the most effective. It functions as a 'growth inhibitor' which is great and all of that but while it's being inhibited the insects continue to wreck havoc.
Compounds such as Nimbidin, Sodium Nimbidate, Nimbin & Nimbolide are anti-feedants in that they prevent the insects from eating = death.
In the leaves specifically are 2 biofungicide compounds: Cyclic trisulphide and Cyclic tetrasulphide and these are extracted separately in India and are used in a wide range of products.
So here's the recipe from the book I referenced:
1 liter of leaves (green)
5 liters of water
Cover for 24 hours, remove the leaves and chop them as much as possible. Return to the water and let this set for 2 - 4 days. Strain and set the plant material aside for now.
Mix this tea with water 5:1 and spray. These compounds do not kill beneficial insects, including honey bees, so you're good on that. There is a problem with fish so avoid spraying into streams or ponds.
Take the plant material and top-dress that around your plants and cover with soil or compost - whatever works for your situation.
I would begin to prepare another batch a couple of days after the initial application so that you can break any adult-egg-larva cycles and as a general tonic.
HTH
CC
Your ultimate goal is to harvest the berries so it's best to leave the blossoms alone. A 20+ year old tree should have plenty of leaves that you can harvest.
The compound that gets discussed the most, Azadirachtin, is generally found in equal ppm throughout the plant. That is why it is the one isolated and sold for different applications including pesticides. Of the compounds identified as biopesticides in the neem & karanja trees, Azadirachtin is not the most effective. It functions as a 'growth inhibitor' which is great and all of that but while it's being inhibited the insects continue to wreck havoc.
Compounds such as Nimbidin, Sodium Nimbidate, Nimbin & Nimbolide are anti-feedants in that they prevent the insects from eating = death.
In the leaves specifically are 2 biofungicide compounds: Cyclic trisulphide and Cyclic tetrasulphide and these are extracted separately in India and are used in a wide range of products.
So here's the recipe from the book I referenced:
1 liter of leaves (green)
5 liters of water
Cover for 24 hours, remove the leaves and chop them as much as possible. Return to the water and let this set for 2 - 4 days. Strain and set the plant material aside for now.
Mix this tea with water 5:1 and spray. These compounds do not kill beneficial insects, including honey bees, so you're good on that. There is a problem with fish so avoid spraying into streams or ponds.
Take the plant material and top-dress that around your plants and cover with soil or compost - whatever works for your situation.
I would begin to prepare another batch a couple of days after the initial application so that you can break any adult-egg-larva cycles and as a general tonic.
HTH
CC
Eddoes
I had to look that one up - I know it by the Spanish name "malangas" which is sold at Cuban and Caribbean food markets. The roots are pretty much a staple in many cultures from that region.
The leaves are loaded with nutrients so taking a large amount and covering that with water and letting it sit for a few weeks like gardeners do with Comfrey or Stinging Nettles will give you a very rich tea which needs to be diluted 3:1 and applied to the soil.
The roots are rich in nutrients as well and like other roots grating them and covering with water will give you a rich nutrient tea as well. Any plant material processed in this way will create foul odors so plan ahead. They smell like an open sewer and that is not an exaggeration at all.
CC
I had to look that one up - I know it by the Spanish name "malangas" which is sold at Cuban and Caribbean food markets. The roots are pretty much a staple in many cultures from that region.
The leaves are loaded with nutrients so taking a large amount and covering that with water and letting it sit for a few weeks like gardeners do with Comfrey or Stinging Nettles will give you a very rich tea which needs to be diluted 3:1 and applied to the soil.
The roots are rich in nutrients as well and like other roots grating them and covering with water will give you a rich nutrient tea as well. Any plant material processed in this way will create foul odors so plan ahead. They smell like an open sewer and that is not an exaggeration at all.
CC
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bajangreen
Thanks ClackamasCootz
Ok so here is what i am going to do.
1) A set of Neem leaves as per your instructions.
2) A set with all the different Neem parts i could find
3) A Tea with Neem and Eddoe leaf, aloe Vera, and banana leaves.
Yeah yeah i know i should stick to what you say, but i am over loaded with all this info so i want to try something new like this i may add sea weed too, i was wondering what amounts to use in the 5gall brewer.
On a side note, With some reading i found out my island has a aloe named after it Barbados aloe and the aloe contains a unique chemical called, aloin A (also called barbaloin) don't know if that is of any use to me though.
Ok so here is what i am going to do.
1) A set of Neem leaves as per your instructions.
2) A set with all the different Neem parts i could find
3) A Tea with Neem and Eddoe leaf, aloe Vera, and banana leaves.
Yeah yeah i know i should stick to what you say, but i am over loaded with all this info so i want to try something new like this i may add sea weed too, i was wondering what amounts to use in the 5gall brewer.
On a side note, With some reading i found out my island has a aloe named after it Barbados aloe and the aloe contains a unique chemical called, aloin A (also called barbaloin) don't know if that is of any use to me though.
Good use of the neem tree materials. Definitely watch for the berries to ripen - that's the proverbial gold mine.
The Aloe vera you have is what you want - that specific compounds shows up in something like 70 aloe cultivars.
You're dancin' big time!
CC
The Aloe vera you have is what you want - that specific compounds shows up in something like 70 aloe cultivars.
You're dancin' big time!
CC
Ants hate dry molasses. They'll leave a mound / hill if sprinkled with it.
I cleared my entire yard of fire ants this year by spreading it every where...
dank.Frank
I cleared my entire yard of fire ants this year by spreading it every where...
dank.Frank
I've read that before about fire ants and molasses but it's been a couple of years ago - some farmers in Texas were discussing it at Acres USA Magazine.
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greenmatter
from what i have read the molasses feeds the microbes which cause disease in the colony ......... ants are smart enough to get the hell out of the area
lol indeed. I was away for a couple weeks and I used my infrequent online time to keep up with stan's thread.
glad the conversation has managed to ween itself off a notorious previous point of discussion
