I finally got my pain meds

[rives]

By "gold standard", I think that HH was making reference to the fact that other opiates are measured by comparing their strength to morphine.

 

[Floridian]

If I remember correctly morphine is 10 times stronger than codeine and heroin is 10 times stronger than morphine.

 

[Hammerhead]

well where do I start lol..I wont get into my med condition. I will just say the people that pick a 60mg oc over a 100mg MS are just not educated on it. These people want the strongest they can get. OC are the street pain med of choice. when they are told OC is 10x more powerful then Morphine they dont what to here any more just give me that. there not told that MS can be just as strong you just need to take more.
If you come across a 100mg MS and a 60 OC try them the effect will be the same but the cost will not be...

In clinical medicine, morphine is regarded as the gold standard, or benchmark, of opioid analgesics used to relieve severe or agonizing pain and suffering. Like other opiates, such as oxycodone, hydromorphone, and diacetylmorphine (heroin), morphine acts directly on the central nervous system (CNS) to relieve pain. Morphine has a high potential for addiction; tolerance and psychological dependence develop rapidly, although physiological dependence may take several months to develop...

It has been in use for many years longer then any other pain med. This is why MS is drastically cheaper everyone makes it and is the easiest to get.

Im not making the claim that 100 ms is the same as 60OC it was my doc that told me that.
the cost difference is huge. This is what they dont what you to know. Yes go get our most expensive pain med even if our cheapest will do the same at higher dosages. I was taking OC,Opana,Fentanyl,Hydromorphone. I have never had a problem requesting what pain meds I want. Agfter the bills came it was obvious the Morhine was the better bang for the buck..

 

[rives]

Good post, HH. From my experience, morphine is also far friendlier to your body than many of the alternative opiates. I wasn't well versed on the subtleties of opiates when my doctor first put me on morphine, and after seeing the impact that the other choices have on people, I'm damn glad that he went with it.

 

[187020]

Two beers and a Vicodin ... Next thing ya kno I've got rhythm homies!!

 

[Hammerhead]

yes the more potent the drug is the more side effects you will have. when I was taking 200mg+ I was a zombie. I had many side effects that I could not live with so I found that 80mg of MS + Cannabis was the ticket. If I take more MS I get very sick. I had lost all bodily functions had to sleep naked in the bathtub. That was the last time and I knew I had to find the right dosage to live comfortably.. So far 80mg or less is working great. I still get nauseous but I have meds that help with that.. I still hope for the day I wont need any MS...

 

[Ortiz_NE]

And they say opana or numorphan is 10 times stronger than oxycodone.How about fentanyl being 8 times stronger than heroin lol?It means nothing man you may think 100Ml MS equals 60 ml oxy,but ask anyone with a pain or substance abuse problem and they will take the oxy over ms anytime.Its certainly not the gold standard bro the doctors prescribe it when nothing else is available

As far as people taking oxy over morphine anyday, it also depends on how people are using it. People that are abusing opiates that IV, morphine IV'd is much stronger than oxy. Morphine is one of those drugs in which the bioavailability (how much is absorbed by your body) is very different depending on a person's ROA or route of administration.

For example, morphines bio-availability is
20-40% (oral), 36-71% (rectally),[1] 100% (IV/IM). The difference between taking morphine orally as directed by a Dr is a far cry from the effect you'd get from shooting it up. Oxycodone on the other hand has a more consistent bio-avail across the board
100% (IV); Up to 87% (oral)

I dont know why I'm rambling on about this shit, I know way too much about it, but it makes me sick to think about the way legitimate pain patients are being treated these days. Lots of patients I know of getting cut off by their Dr or drastically cut down on their dosages because the DEA has been putting lots of pressure on doctors. Some of these people just used their scripts to make tons of money ($3 script of #360 roxi's with insurance and turning around and selling each pill for $25+) but also some people with serious pain issues that are getting cut off and being forced into terrible withdrawals because the people abusing the system fucked it up for everyone.

It's sad when I see people that got put on pain meds for stuff like a car accident that are suddenly cut off by their Dr or their dosages cut in half, and them turning to heroin because it's so cheap and works well for their pain, but at the same time turns them into a straight up junkie. MMJ can and does works wonders for a lot of people living with chronic pain but sometimes it can only do so much. But one of the most rewarding moments for me was working with a 60yr old woman who had stage 4 cancer and was living in lots of pain. We worked out which strains worked best for controlling her pain and she was able to go from taking 240mg of oxycontin a day which made her feel like a zombie, to dealing with a lot of her pain using heavy indicas and dropped her dose of oxy to 40mg twice a day, she told me she felt like she had her life back!

I digress, sorry for the insanely long post you guys, obviously I feel very strongly about the subject

 

[Tripsick]

Endo discontinued the IR version of opana when they released the new "anti-abuse" ER pills basically forcing patients to switch over, and from what I hear the new anti abuse ER pills do fuck all for pain.

I dont see how discontinuing a IR to force people to switch to an ER would be a company model. as they need Break through pain meds to go along with the extended release.
There is a shortage, there has been no company statement that they were discontinuing Opana IR. if there was please post that link...

Its been hard to get the Brand name but the Generic Oxymorphone aka opana are plentiful



I got this from another site:

Update of the shortage:

Oxymorphone Hydrochloride

[01 May 2012]
Products Affected - Description

Extended-Release Presentations
Oxymorphone extended-release, Actavis
7.5 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 00228-3261-11)

Immediate-Release Presentations

Opana, Endo
5 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0612-70)
10 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0613-70)

Oxymorphone, Qualitest
5 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 60951-0794-70)
10 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 60951-0795-70)

Oxymorphone, Roxane
5 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 00054-0283-25)
10 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 00054-0284-25)
Reason for the Shortage

Novartis voluntarily suspended all manufacturing and distribution from its Lincoln, Nebraska facility in early-January 2012 due to a potential for mixing of different products within a single bottle. Novartis is gradually resuming manufacturing at this facility after manufacturing improvements were implemented.
Several Endo products that are manufactured at the Lincoln, Nebraska plant, are affected by this manufacturing suspension, including oxymorphone, Opana, and Opana ER.
Roxane could not provide a reason for this shortage.
Available Products

Extended-Release Presentations Opana ER, Endo
5 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0907-70)
10 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0674-70)
20 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0617-70)
30 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0571-70)
40 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 63481-0693-70)

Oxymorphone extended-release, Actavis
15 mg tablets, 100 count (NDC 00228-3262-11)


Immediate-Release Presentations
There are no immediate-release presentations readily available.
Estimated Resupply Dates

Actavis has limited supplies of oxymorphone 7.5 mg extended-release tablets.
Endo has Opana immediate-release tablets on back order and the company cannot estimate a release date.
Qualitest has oxymorphone immediate-release tablets on back order and the company cannot estimate a release date.
Roxane has oxymorphone immediate-release tablets on back order and the company estimates a release date of early-May, 2012.

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Out of every pain med i have tried over the years nothing touching Opana for straight up pain relief with no shitty side effects. Generic works pretty well but nothing like the brand name.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

awww it seems opana was a nice little secret while it was goin...it was like white H wrapped up in a little nice yellow bag with a 40 on it..most people who liked Oxy didn't even know what they had and would sell them dirt cheap..old school opanas were bliss.

hydrocodone makes one feel like a phiend cuz ya need so many to feel anything
oxyc 30s are nice for a rush but no nod
oxymorphone is great rush and great legs but now that everyone got on the train its come to stop and they locked it up like they did to OC's
hydromorphone(dillies) are all rush and no legs
morphine is great but to get its potential one needs to IV it or you are better off taking something -codone based by stomach instead absorbs better...
heroin....aww...great for pain...yes indeed, especially when cleaned up, 100mg and a cup of coffee and you are good to go haha


anyone with some opiate chemistry knowledge can crack these pills and use them any way they please.

everyone knows the real harm and danger comes with making these substances illegal and so hard for people to get...

how about you let everyone who wants them, get them. pain patients, junkies, whatever, just don't harm anyone other than yourself. keeps the prices low, no BS and everyone's happy..but see making these things illegal puts to many people to work..all the cops, lawyers, doctors, politicians, all the way down to the junkies that run around all day getting crazy amounts of money just to score for the day or the script people selling off their scripts to pay rent...its a vicious cycle that would be much better if it was all just legal and people were able to cure their pain without having their reasons being judged and denied...thats the wrong mentality

 

[Floridian]

You said it my friend.Tripsick where did you get that info?Is there anything about why there is a methadone shortage?Yea the way I was treated when I ran around for three days going nuts I wouldnt even treat a dog that way.I imagine the emergency room has seen its share of people pukin and squirtin the last couple of weeks.Gone are the days when I could just go to walgreens and fill my script.

 

[Ortiz_NE]

on another board I frequent a member told me that he called Endo and they said they might not produce opana IR until 2013, with rumors circulating around the company that are going to reformulate before releasing it again.

I think they pulled the shit of taking the IR pills off the market right before releasing the new TRF Opana ER's because they saw when Purdue released the OP's, everybody switched over to roxis. By taking the IR's off the market right before putting out their new bullshit TRF ER's it meant patients wouldn't just switch to IR's, plus all the ppl who had been on IR's switching to ER's for the time being

 

[Floridian]

I remember in DC in the early 70s they used to have a cocktail called T's and blues.The blues were numorphan or opana I think.Thats how long its been since I did any

 

[Tripsick]

You said it my friend.Tripsick where did you get that info?Is there anything about why there is a methadone shortage?Y

The stuff i posted was from Drugs com and Some Bluelight

Walgreens just called me and said that the Brand Opana IR is still on back order we have been dealing with them for the last 5 months of hit and miss.
Generic is ok... they make me a little sick but 10.00 is nice.... i would rather pay 40.00 for true Cadillac of pain meds with no stomach upset just blissful pain relief

 

[TripleDraw27]

Man talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater,its taken me six days to get my presciption for pain meds.Whats going on down here is insane,because of a few bad doctors and pharmacists,the pharmacies are just not dispensing these days.I got lucky,and it was probably my 25th pharmacy,they think people can just stop taking methadone and other narcotics.Nobody is on our side its fuckin insane it gets worse month after month

silkroad, friendo.

 

[Floridian]

Unless silkroad is a new available opioid thats not much help

 

[Ortiz_NE]

no its a website you can buy drugs through but have fun paying like $100 for each opana 40

 

[Hammerhead]

Lets keep the Illegal drug websites off here please. I'm with ya Trip..I would be in Heaven.. Being sick everyday is the price not to be in horrid pain 24/7..

 

[Snagglepuss]

Finally!!!..............I had to ride through a hurricane but it was worth it...Im sure many can relate to being out of your meds..Then the first day you recieve them again ...Its like Christmas each time......No need for sleep before work tonight...

Top shelf smoke,,,pack of cigs..a bottle of coke ..and the golden nuggets.All i need now is a woman..........

 

[Floridian]

Man I know how you feel but most here just don't,I fuckin totally overdosed on rejection this last time,and in a few weeks we get to do it all again.I wonder what obstacle they will throw at me this time..They are already making people pay for meds they dont need,2 non-controlled substance prescriptions for every controlled script.Last month I got 600mg ibuprofen and a cheap anti depressent just to comply.Fuck all