are these HGL units cheaper..

[habeeb]

hi guys,

wondering if these are the supplier, or they have access to the same parts as the HGL units???

here's a link, they look awful similar, I do know the HGL is in second gen, from info on there website, that they had people copying them.. wondering if there the same thing, only cheaper?

I'm starting to think, cutting out the middle man, makes things cheaper to everyone.. well the consumer.

 

[medmaker420]

yes they are and hgl doesn't have some secret anything built into her lights. that woman is nuts but I don't need to get that debate going on this forum.

hgl wrote about companies copying her lights and that would be TRUE if what she really means is that other manufacturers BUY LIGHTS from the same manufacturer so if that is "copying/stealing" then o.k. LOL

yeah the difference is you can get them CHEAPER and also, contact them as a "grow light site" and ask about hgl and I bet they will be more than happy to let you know that they supply that site AND could happily supply YOUR site as well with the same lights.

hgl is FUNNY

 

[FunkBomb]

Those lights look exactly the same as the HGL lights but with a much lower price.

-Funk

 

[medmaker420]

Those lights look exactly the same as the HGL lights but with a much lower price.

-Funk

They are exactly the same BUT as far as price, led grow light companies are not a "non profit" organization so of course they are out to make a profit.

One thing that can be different however IS the spectrums and the leds they use. HGL can choose reds/blues/greens/oranges/whites etc so they can claim being "unique" but as far as other companies copying or stealing is complete b.s.

Most companies use the same manufactures FROM china except for the ones actually built here in the states etc so aside from price and spectrum they ARE the same depending on which led company they buy them from.

 

[habeeb]

yeah, I'm wanting to get more info and look around, as I would think they use the same LED, as the cluster is the same, but being as China I'm sure has many many factories even for in this case, LED growing lights, they might differ, or HGL might might request different 'led clusters' to be made to specific instruction ( higher bin.. certain brand.. spectrum.. .... )

they look like the same spectrum though, glancing at it..

I do know they did re-design there casing, as to differ from the 'copy-cats' as stated on there website. but if these are basically the same at 1/3 the cost.. I'm all for that

 

[medmaker420]

case redesign doesn't really make a led panel better but i'm sure you get that.

 

[FunkBomb]

For the "336 x 3w led" one it says in the description:

"USA hot sale Hydro grow LED grow light with top quality"

-Funk

 

[Tokesy]

Haha but Cammies fancy website totally makes it worth triple the price right??? that and her sterling reputation and customer service...

 

[vukman]

.............heheh................

looks familiar, no?

 

[habeeb]

so I emailed that company, and here's what they had to say... I asked them if they supply HGL ( a US company ) :

"Our factory used to be the OEM manufacturer of HYDRO GROW LED, but now they choose other factory because cheaper price. However, we believe our LED Grow Light is the best in the market, and now the product is improved than before, so I can say even better than HYDRO GROW LED now. "


only thing is, I hate red, and I hate changing something when it's alot of hassle, for little return.. but I'm going to ask then now, what has changed to make them 'better'

 

[vukman]

so I emailed that company, and here's what they had to say... I asked them if they supply HGL ( a US company ) :

"Our factory used to be the OEM manufacturer of HYDRO GROW LED, but now they choose other factory because cheaper price. However, we believe our LED Grow Light is the best in the market, and now the product is improved than before, so I can say even better than HYDRO GROW LED now. "


only thing is, I hate red, and I hate changing something when it's alot of hassle, for little return.. but I'm going to ask then now, what has changed to make them 'better'

please let us know.......very curious to hear what they changed...

Thank you

 

[VerdantGreen]

right, i dont want to get into any argy bargy, but it so happens i know what's going on here so i will relay it.

HGL did move factories for a couple of reasons, and the factory they moved from kept a lot of components of their lights (like it or not HGL do own the patent for their X-lenses they are not just generic chinese stuff)
the factory are selling lights made from the HGL components they have left.

so maybe you are getting a light as good as HGL or maybe the factory is cutting some corners with the LED bins and components - who knows, but if they are selling stolen components in the first place then that indicates they are not to be trusted imo.

you may get a bargain or you may get what you paid for

also the new gold cased lights are more efficient afaik and the LED's are driven about 10% higher as they did a few tweaks in the course of the re-design

good luck

VG

 

[WishMeLuck]

@VerdantGreen: I smell propaganda here. And it stinks!

 

[medmaker420]

(like it or not HGL do own the patent for their X-lenses they are not just generic chinese stuff)

VG

So who is it that is MAKING their X-lenses that they supposedly have patents for? If they are made in the same exact CHINESE factories how would the quality be any better? Does she go down there and make them herself or something?

Does Cammie actually manufacture her led panels in the states now or is she still going through multiple chinese manufacturers just like ALL OTHER led companies?

Last I heard she was going through LED STAR or VanqLed for her lights and she used to use bysen until they booted her which you can confirm by calling bysen. Is she using an actual US company now for them NOT to be so called generic chinese stuff?

Would love to hear it because that x2 technology was owned by bysen which you can verify with bysen as well btw. Nothing against hgl but I don't believe she is offering anything new except spectrum choices which anyone can do OR maybe a different outer panel design?

 

[vukman]

Not to mention that the patent is pending......I just had to get in here somewhere...

 

[medmaker420]

Not to mention that the patent is pending......I just had to get in here somewhere...

its not even patented yet?

Another thing that struck me funny was this gem of a read

http://www.ledhydroponics.co.uk/Falseclaimsbyhydrogrow.aspx

anyone know anything about ledhydroponics as this is NEWS to me

 

[woolybear]

i would avoid HGL lights due to the past craziness. I use grow led hydro's lights, but i think he's gone out of business.

 

[VerdantGreen]

So who is it that is MAKING their X-lenses that they supposedly have patents for? If they are made in the same exact CHINESE factories how would the quality be any better? Does she go down there and make them herself or something?

Does Cammie actually manufacture her led panels in the states now or is she still going through multiple chinese manufacturers just like ALL OTHER led companies?

Last I heard she was going through LED STAR or VanqLed for her lights and she used to use bysen until they booted her which you can confirm by calling bysen. Is she using an actual US company now for them NOT to be so called generic chinese stuff?

Would love to hear it because that x2 technology was owned by bysen which you can verify with bysen as well btw. Nothing against hgl but I don't believe she is offering anything new except spectrum choices which anyone can do OR maybe a different outer panel design?

medmaker, in business, there are always ulterior motives and two sides to a story. i correspond with cammie quite often and so i get that side - but always hesitate to get into discussions about these things, such is the hate that abounds. really it's just a light source to me.. im more interested in organics.
i heard she left bysen because they were selling her designs. the new gold painted lights are made at a new factory but bysen retained her old stock and selling lights they made from it.
lets face it the chinese do have a pretty bad reputation from ripping stuff off. ive heard of other LED manufacturers who have had the same problem.

afaik you can hold a patent on something and still get it manufactured by a factory which doesnt own that patent.
the quality of a light would depend on the quality of the components that go into it and the quality of the build - im sure these factors can vary.

i started using HGL lights because i wanted to support a company that was a sponser at ICmag. the lights have always performed well for me and i find the shipping quite stealthy so i continue to use them.

VG

P.S. the company you linked to are also selling knock-offs of HGL lights - perhaps there are ulterior motives in their claims too?
what i dont get is that if HGL are so crap and everyone hates them so much... then why are peeps so desperate to use their lights? even knock-offs of their lights?

 

[vukman]

medmaker, in business, there are always ulterior motives and two sides to a story. i correspond with cammie quite often and so i get that side - but always hesitate to get into discussions about these things, such is the hate that abounds. really it's just a light source to me.. im more interested in organics.
i heard she left bysen because they were selling her designs. the new gold painted lights are made at a new factory but bysen retained her old stock and selling lights they made from it.
lets face it the chinese do have a pretty bad reputation from ripping stuff off. ive heard of other LED manufacturers who have had the same problem.

afaik you can hold a patent on something and still get it manufactured by a factory which doesnt own that patent.
the quality of a light would depend on the quality of the components that go into it and the quality of the build - im sure these factors can vary.

i started using HGL lights because i wanted to support a company that was a sponser at ICmag. the lights have always performed well for me and i find the shipping quite stealthy so i continue to use them.

VG

P.S. the company you linked to are also selling knock-offs of HGL lights - perhaps there are ulterior motives in their claims too?
what i dont get is that if HGL are so crap and everyone hates them so much... then why are peeps so desperate to use their lights? even knock-offs of their lights?

She/he is the one that stole the design and not the other way around..............PLEASE!!!!!!!
Look at the patent...which is PENDING by the way and tell me where in that does it explain anything she designed??? WHERE!!!!!

Show me the detailed drawing of the "Oh so wonderful X2 lens"..I've love to see that..
The patent shows the layout and colour spectrum,,,,,,,period. Nothing about the famous lens.. How it's made and manufactured... Come on.....

Why everyone wants to use 'her' lights???? She is an excellent marketer. PERIOD! You mean to tell me,,,she made the parts here and then sent them to China to be slapped together?? Maybe the lenses are made her and sent there?? What of hers did they keep?

You do know Bysen has filed against other companies in China for using 'their designs' right..

Listen, I've got nothing to gain..nor lose for that matter but I do like honesty and I fucking hate crooks, thieves, con artists and whatever else I USED TO BE!!!!!! I am and have changed my ways and now I choose to stand up for the people out there who are barely making it by on disability pensions or whatever meagre method of support they are using and then have someone like this ilk come along and try to profiteer off of their pain and suffering.

Anyone can go to the Bysen site and get a price off them. Why does he/she have to charge 400% above and beyond wholesale.

Maybe that is why she is so fucking hated. If you talk to her.. tell her to lower her prices by 50% and say she is doing it for the medical cannabis community...That would be the best marketing she/he could do....but I sincerely that will happen....Fuck, I would never cut people a break in my past either!!!!!!!!!

Just my opinion mind you....I've heard people have been banned from here for voicing their opinions on this matter...If that is the case..fuck IC and everyone that resembles them

 

[VerdantGreen]

vukman, sorry you are so upset and angry about this.

as i mentioned before, there are always two sides to a story in business.

afaik HGL have the patent on their X-lens technology. you may know more than me or differently. patents take 2-3 years to aquire afaik


for my part, i will always hold my personal experience of dealing with a company (and it's products) in higher regard than whatever i read on the internet.

others can make their own choice.

i responded to this thread against my better judgement, and now i wished i hadnt bothered... go and buy one of the shonky knock-off lights and let everyone know how you get on with it.

VG