It's not really ad hominem when you repeated demonstrate your stupidity, it's just recognizing what you're putting out there for everyone to see.
It's pricks like this who give us all a bad name.
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It's not really ad hominem when you repeated demonstrate your stupidity, it's just recognizing what you're putting out there for everyone to see.
as do youI believe in it, when I don't have my ventilation properly hooked up there is a fairly audible hum that can be heard from outside the building it's in and I'm just running a single 1K light grow.
I guess it's too hard for you to believe though since you have this landlord you've never met, spoken to or interacted with over the internet all figured out. Hell you even think you know what information he's aware of.
ive said many times there are three sides to this story.
personally i believe they were both pricks.
but the calling of the goon squad 3X takes the trump imo..
if i were to guess:
the LL took a peek out of curiosity saw the trailer and heard the hum. ran to the piggies. the grower gets the suprise of the inspection and has his ducks in a row. the LL gets pissed at the impotence and the grower is pissed at the intrusion.
situation escalates and two hot headed pricks get all uppity.
grower lawyers up and LL tries to go thermonuclear with the feds.
gets told to fuck off by the feds and gets even more pissed at the impotence.
blah blah blah
but calling the fucking feds was just plain wrong!
as long as it's about me and not the topic right?
as do you
ive said many times there are three sides to this story.
personally i believe they were both pricks.
but the calling of the goon squad 3X takes the trump imo..
if i were to guess:
the LL took a peek out of curiosity saw the trailer and heard the hum. ran to the piggies. the grower gets the suprise of the inspection and has his ducks in a row. the LL gets pissed at the impotence and the grower is pissed at the intrusion.
situation escalates and two hot headed pricks get all uppity.
grower lawyers up and LL tries to go thermonuclear with the feds.
gets told to fuck off by the feds and gets even more pissed at the impotence.
blah blah blah
but calling the fucking feds was just plain wrong!
I never said I had him figured out. I'm not the one insisting he knows things I have no way of establishing he knows. I'm not the one speculating that he looked before he noticed the hum. I'm the one saying the grower could have avoid all this shit just by being more responsible and more respectful and/or not taking a month to month lease with a landlord that lives on the property and has said he'll have 24/7 access for emergencies.
You've made yourself the topic by insisting on arguing for the sake of arguing.
how would you react to someone calling the feds over a simple civil dispute?
would you "burn" them?
you and i basically agree here they were both pricks and the landlord was doubly so for calling the feds.
no but you sure have the grower figured out huh
sure you are
like one word of the land lord's story is true...
i agree i would have never signed with an old,bored on property land lord it's fucking ridiculous...
you have assumed alot about the grower as i have about the landlord.
i have been both in my time you have not.
chillimushroom
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the Landlord should get this guy out and just start his own grow. The police obviously dont care, he wont have issues with future tenants, make a nice little income and learn how to grow some nice plants.
Right but the thread isn't and never was about whether or not it was right for the landlord to do that. It's about the fact that growers that do business in this way make it harder on the rest of us.
I'm reluctant to call the landlord an asshole because he is just being the way landlords often are. Even you and one or two others were saying you can spot these types of problem landlords miles away. Several of us have mentioned that if we were the tenant we know better then to operate this way and would leave the place as good or better then when we got there. That's because we know how the world works and we know to avoid the risky landlords and then even still do our grows in a way that does no harm to the space we're renting all to maintain a good landlord tenant relationship. Which is fine an speaks well of those who behave that way. It's hard work too and sometimes you got to put up with shit you don't really want to put up with but it's worth it to keep the peace. So when we hear of asshats who come in and rent property strictly for the purpose of growing (nobody actually living there) and do it in a way that can potentially cause very serious and expensive damage, it should piss us off.
Now technically I'm not really part of us because I've never grown on rental property and have no plans to do so anytime in the future. Sure there may be risks to growing on property you own but at my age if I got popped in my area for growing I'd be going to prison for longer then I could survive. So possibly losing my home would be more or less irrelevent. However growing where you own has benefits such as being your own landlord and so if you want to risk a serious mold problem costing thousands to fix, or cause structural damage, or create a fire hazard, that's on you. It still pisses me off though because in the bigger picture this is just another example of things that make average joe public wonder if they should support legalizing marijuana? Especially when they don't really use it or use it rarely.
Now to be fair, yes like everyone else I'm making some assumptions and what caught my attention was two things. Well three actually. 1) The fact this guy was right at his limit and Johnny on the spot with all the paperwork and the i's dotted and the t's crossed. 2) That the place that was supposed to be his residence didn't really seem to be his residence and there was strong evidence of another similar grow going on there which would be outside or above the 30 plant limit. 3) That his operation is so mobile. I mean if he's doing what it sounds like, it's great from a "beating the system" point of view but for those of us trying to not be seen as "beating the system" but rather "working within the system" this sort of thing is toxic and should not be tolerated. Certainly not supported or shown sympathy for. I sympathize for people that get fucked over by loved ones or has some freak set of circumstances that leads to them getting busted. When people do stupid shit that can be easily avoided though, stupid is as stupid does man.
As for your question, the answer is I wouldn't give them a cause for a civil dispute/reason to call the Feds in the first place, not if I'm doing something the Feds might lock me up for anyway.
no but you sure have the grower figured out huh
Well based on the information given I have some very strong suspisions about the grower but no I don't have him all figured out, how could I? He's the least represented person in this story.
Show me something other then your opinion proving that anything he said isn't true. Or are you just automatically taking the growers side out of some misguided sense of kinship?
Ooooo you got me, I've never been a landlord. So fucking what? I have relatives that are landlords, I have about a half dozen of friends that are landlords (mostly originating from when I was a tenant although not growing at the time), I dated a girl that was a landlord who I got to know when she was seeking out help getting rid of a deadbeat tenant. Plus there's been lots of comments here in support of the points I'm making from people that are landlords.
So you're point of you being a landlord and me not is about as relevent as to whether or not you were bald or not.
I'm not by the way
bald that is.
Well you should be more clear then the way it read it sounds more like you're saying you've been both a tenant and a landlord. To get grower on a rental from what you said isn't assumed because not all growers grow on rental properties. You're still trying to fit the world into your cookie cutter mold though.
And yes very observant, there is hope for you yet. I've never been on any side of this situation and deliberately so. It is not my desire to grow in risky unsafe ways where I have to worry about my landlord 24/7. It's not my desire to rent to people directly and if I was going to bother with renting I would hire a rental management agent to do it for me and I most definately would not rent part of the property I live on to someone else because in that close a quarter it's too hard not to be a bit nosey. It's human nature. Best not to risk it because it usually doesn't go well for either party.
Again though that has exactly squat to do with anything. Growing is growing the security measures in a rental are all pretty much the same as what you should follow on property you own. Just because owning allows you to do things you shouldn't do in rentals doesn't make it any better to do them. It just means you don't have to worry about a landlord having a problem with it.
Rudedewd
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I don't really understand what all the hubbub is about. I have sympathy for both the landlord and the tenant but obviously things were handled poorly on both sides to my way of thinking. As far as not growing in a rental property I call bullshit. I have been growing for many many years but I don't own property so here I grow. Of course I grow only for personal use so it's been just closet grows, commercial grows are a different kind of critter. I also live in a non med state (but we're going to change that!). I think as long as the tenant does no harm and bothers no one it's nobody's busness what's going on. However if the grower damages the structure or interferes with the rights of other tenants they need to go somewhere else. Of course I think the landlord was being a dick by calling the authorities before he talked to the tenant but the tenant should have just agreed to move his grow and ended the month to month lease. By calling the cops before talking to the tenant the landlord opened the door to hostility that negated any option of peaceful resolution. It's all about respect and in this case it's clear that neither party respected the other.
Well there wasn't really any hubbub until a few came in here and started condeming everybody that didn't get all indignent about the landlord calling the cops/Feds.
Yeah it is, especially when the wrongness is a perspective judgement and within an individual's legal right to do. Just because you personally see something as wrong does not make it wrong.
Besides getting indignant with people for expressing their opinion about an action you deem is wrong, is not being indignant at wrong action. It's being indignant about people expressing an opinion different then yours. Which is extremely silly.
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Crave, I find it hard to believe you don't know what a circle jerk is when u see one. lol I saved a seat for ya right next to me. Welcome.
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